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Will you support a communist revolution in your country?

Yes
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No
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Olerand
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Postby Olerand » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:25 pm

Kubra wrote:
Olerand wrote:Oh...Then there would be no chance for a Communist Revolution in 1919 in France. Communism wasn't really a thing then, only revolutionary Socialism was relevant. Depending on the circumstances, like if Jean Jaurès had survived, or who was leading the revolution or whatnot, then maybe I could be neutral to a revolutionary socialist movement.

Also, the PCF is not the ultra-left or extreme-left in France. It is the radical left. Left-wing, but mainstream enough to have been in governments and be considered a "governmental party". The Trotskyists of the Worker's Struggle and the New Anti-Capitalist Party are the ultra-left.
And why would it be a benefit to the other ultra-lefts if the French ultra-left declines? Our Communists participated in government, are the progenitors of our Welfare State, and are much more credible than other ultra-lefts.
Yeah, the collapse of the secound international left everyone too far from the SFSR shit out of luck.
Jesus man I've been into this shit for a few years and I don't see many people having a specific criterion for what they'll call ultra and what they'll call radical, but that's probably a political difference between anglos and the french. radical and ultra in the anglo world generally denotes the sects outside of parliamentary politics, while the left encompasses all these little hanger-on parties attached to labour/the democratic party/NDP/take your pick, ain't no popular fronts here. If we take the french ultra-left to mean its anti-parliamentarian sects, we're left with a gaggle of very angry poets running backwater general stores. And now you tell me it's not them declining? I'm disappointed, man.
In terms of politics the french left isn't particularly unique, bruh. Most European communist parties did and do everything you've listed. But that said, I don't know what it will mean for the french radical left (as you've put it) to decline.

I didn't decide the difference between the extreme left, or ultra-left, and the radical left. That is just French political discourse.

Our radical left participates in government, the ultra-left refuses to govern the nation under a capitalist system.

As for other communist parties, actually they did no such thing. Our PCF is unique in its mainstream aspects, and the fact that they led France in the immediate years after WWII, before being ousted by a coalition of Christian Democrats-Socialists-Centrists. No other communist party in Western Europe, with the exception of the Italian Communist Party, had as much influence or credibility as the French Communist Party.

And both the ultra-left, the radical left, and the mainstream left are all in decline in France today. The Socialist Party's disastrous management of the country over the last two years has decimated the left, to the benefit of the extreme-right.
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Sidhium
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Postby Sidhium » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:42 pm

NO!

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The Nihilistic view
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:47 pm

No, no I don't want to support mass murder and genocide in my country.
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District XIV
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Postby District XIV » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:20 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:No, no I don't want to support mass murder and genocide in my country.

Right, because it /totally/ wasn't the policies of "Communist" dictators and instead their ideology itself which led to such atrocities.
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Dityakastan
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Postby Dityakastan » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:22 pm

Yes. Because that revolution already happened.

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Postby The United Territories of Providence » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:23 pm

Communism needs to be swept into the ash heap of history. It is a cancer on civilized society and I will have none of it.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:24 pm

Margno wrote:Well shit, in period I wouldn't know how horrible authoritarian communism turns out to be. I'd probably just get swept up in the rhetoric and assume the compassionate people who want justice for the poor were incapable of mass enslavement and political genocide.

this.
Communism is supposedly the best system around. Why would I, a skilled worker, have any problem with adopting it?
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Kelinfort
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:25 pm

We need a stable, coalition democracy, not instability and radicalism.

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Qadhiriya
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Postby Qadhiriya » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:52 pm

My country is socialist, i hate communism so no.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:56 pm

Qadhiriya wrote:My country is socialist, i hate communism so no.

in 1914?
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Postby Grand Russian Federation » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:06 pm

Most likely socialism but not full-on communism. It will just be too much of a stretch to eliminate classes based on wealth, there will always be differences in wealth and unhappy people that hate your money-stealin' rule. Socialism is a nice balance.
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Postby Constantinopolis » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:47 pm

District XIV wrote:Right, because it /totally/ wasn't the policies of "Communist" dictators and instead their ideology itself which led to such atrocities.

Indeed, just like violent video games cause school shootings! *nodnod*

And how Jesus caused the Spanish Inquisition.
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Postby The Greater German Reich- » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:53 pm

No.
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Postby Threlizdun » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:53 pm

Grand Russian Federation wrote:Most likely socialism but not full-on communism. It will just be too much of a stretch to eliminate classes based on wealth, there will always be differences in wealth and unhappy people that hate your money-stealin' rule. Socialism is a nice balance.
How ridiculous. Hierarchal societies are an extremely recent invention. For the vast majority of our existence we have been operating in a relatively egalitarian fashion.
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Postby Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:48 am

I would like to remind everyone to stay in character. This is not a debate, in a sense, because the OP asked you to imagine yourself at the year 1919. Would you, if you lived at that period and had the knowledge of that period in time right now, support a communist revolution if that happened in your country? As per the OP:

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:11 am

I would support the counter revolution, even going so far to support the fascist.
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Postby Gristol-Serkonos » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:20 am

Absolutely not.

We westerners value individual liberties and free enterprise, we don't need communism.

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Postby Finland SSR » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:23 am

It depends on which one of my countries are you talking about.

In my home country, hell no. We've already survived a communist regime once, and it was not pretty.

In my current country, hell no. Again.
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Postby Escanthea » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:26 am

NO, we defeated the filthy little demagogues long ago and we will NOT let them come back.
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Postby Finland SSR » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:26 am

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Burleson wrote:Look at how communism worked out for the Soviet Union.

You mean it modernized it very quickly?

And then it fell from bad productivity and widespread corruption?
Yeah, I remember that one.
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Postby Distruzio » Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:24 am

Constantinopolis wrote:
Political Wisdom wrote:No way. Freedom & happiness are much nicer, thanks.

This is 1919. Freedom & happiness are most certainly not on the table. And for that matter, food is not on the table either.


Oh... crap. I assumed we were in the mid to late 1930s. That's what I get for skimming the OP.

In that case, I'd have to amend my post to say: I think the Schism is dangerous for Greece. I hope the King can come back in my lifetime. I plan on doing whatever I can to bring him back. Venizelos and his Liberals play into the hands of the Bolsheviks and their ilk. Not only did they drag Greece into the war, they destroyed our prestige and attack our identity.
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Postby Democratic Wolkrain » Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:28 am

Hate YES/NO questions. Communism directly probably not.

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Postby Camelza » Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:30 am

Distruzio wrote:
Constantinopolis wrote:This is 1919. Freedom & happiness are most certainly not on the table. And for that matter, food is not on the table either.


Oh... crap. I assumed we were in the mid to late 1930s. That's what I get for skimming the OP.

In that case, I'd have to amend my post to say: I think the Schism is dangerous for Greece. I hope the King can come back in my lifetime. I plan on doing whatever I can to bring him back. Venizelos and his Liberals play into the hands of the Bolsheviks and their ilk. Not only did they drag Greece into the war, they destroyed our prestige and attack our identity.

Because having inbred Danes selling our country to the German Empire contrary to our country's interests was, oh so patriotic and smart!
Also, Venizelos even sent the Greek army to aid the Whites during the October Revolution; What the fuck are you talking about when calling him a bolshevik collaborator?
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Postby Distruzio » Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:36 am

Camelza wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Oh... crap. I assumed we were in the mid to late 1930s. That's what I get for skimming the OP.

In that case, I'd have to amend my post to say: I think the Schism is dangerous for Greece. I hope the King can come back in my lifetime. I plan on doing whatever I can to bring him back. Venizelos and his Liberals play into the hands of the Bolsheviks and their ilk. Not only did they drag Greece into the war, they destroyed our prestige and attack our identity.

Because having inbred Danes selling our country to the German Empire contrary to our country's interests was, oh so patriotic and smart!
Also, Venizelos even sent the Greek army to aid the Whites during the October Revolution; What the fuck are you talking about when calling him a bolshevik collaborator?


Did I claim him a collaborator? No. I specifically stated that he and his play into their hands. There is no way the Revolution will be content with Russia. Greece needs an identity stronger than the snake oil that communism sells. Parliament cannot provide that. Venizelos makes us weak.
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Postby Aurinsula » Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:54 am

I gotta say no. I'm tied to three countries, as it were, and my star would plummet if any of them were to have a Communist Revolution. Though, at the time, it seemed very supportable.

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