Will you support a communist revolution in your country?

[Elepis]

I definately will, rather a dictatorship of the lower classes than a democracy exclusive to those rich pigs.

well said comrade

[Herargon]

IRL at this time.. NEVER! Never a totalitarian dictatorship of the idiocracy under fascists, nazi's and communists again!

However, if I were a poor man living in that time, I maybe would support it. Just not directly.

[Unitaristic Regions]

You're asking a site full of of hard core communists and Marxists whether they want to support a communist revolution. Have you ever been on NSG?

Oh...and absolutely not. communism is a loathsome ideology that seems to think humans are incorruptible and morally wholesome enough to trust with land, wealth, and power and not have those in power abuse it.

How loathsome.

[Political Wisdom]

No way. Freedom & happiness are much nicer, thanks.

[Olerand]

Hm...No.

I don't mind the French Communist Party, and would actually grow fonder of it if it would abandon that oaf/ally Mélenchon, but I don't really want a Communist insurrection, nor a Communist State, even if the PCF has abandoned the Soviet system and adopted more mainstream left-wing beliefs.

Also, I don't see how said revolution would be sustainable, considering that the radical left is in decline in France, to the benefit of the far-right, and that the Communist Party is very far from its glory days in the 50s and 60s.

[Constantinopolis]

No way. Freedom & happiness are much nicer, thanks.

This is 1919. Freedom & happiness are most certainly not on the table. And for that matter, food is not on the table either.

[Unitaristic Regions]

No way. Freedom & happiness are much nicer, thanks.

This is 1919. Freedom & happiness are most certainly not on the table. And for that matter, food is not on the table either.

I think we haves some potatoes and vinegar in the coal shed...

[Kubra]

Hm...No.

I don't mind the French Communist Party, and would actually grow fonder of it if it would abandon that oaf/ally Mélenchon, but I don't really want a Communist insurrection, nor a Communist State, even if the PCF has abandoned the Soviet system and adopted more mainstream left-wing beliefs.

Also, I don't see how said revolution would be sustainable, considering that the radical left is in decline in France, to the benefit of the far-right, and that the Communist Party is very far from its glory days in the 50s and 60s.

the OP had the idea that this would be in 1919, bruh. There's no Mélenchon around, there's not even a PCF.
But on a side note, It'd be a great benefit to the ultra left in the rest of the world if the french ultra left really does decline.

[Conserative Morality]

As an American who just suffered through Wilson's reactionary, racist, politically oppressive administration?

I'd have to say that it'd be a possibility.

[Big Jim P]

Communism is nothing more than the high-speed lane to the lowest common denominator.

[Constantinopolis]

But on a side note, It'd be a great benefit to the ultra left in the rest of the world if the french ultra left really does decline.

Uh... what? How? Why? That makes no sense...

[Conserative Morality]

Communism is nothing more than the high-speed lane to the lowest common denominator.

You see, when you say that, I get the feeling it comes from more of an objection to mass politics that define all modern ideologies more than the specific policies of communist ideology; in other words, a rejection of the values of mass struggle and unity in exchange for egoism.

[Olerand]

Hm...No.

I don't mind the French Communist Party, and would actually grow fonder of it if it would abandon that oaf/ally Mélenchon, but I don't really want a Communist insurrection, nor a Communist State, even if the PCF has abandoned the Soviet system and adopted more mainstream left-wing beliefs.

Also, I don't see how said revolution would be sustainable, considering that the radical left is in decline in France, to the benefit of the far-right, and that the Communist Party is very far from its glory days in the 50s and 60s.

the OP had the idea that this would be in 1919, bruh. There's no Mélenchon around, there's not even a PCF.
But on a side note, It'd be a great benefit to the ultra left in the rest of the world if the french ultra left really does decline.

Oh...Then there would be no chance for a Communist Revolution in 1919 in France. Communism wasn't really a thing then, only revolutionary Socialism was relevant. Depending on the circumstances, like if Jean Jaurès had survived, or who was leading the revolution or whatnot, then maybe I could be neutral to a revolutionary socialist movement.

Also, the PCF is not the ultra-left or extreme-left in France. It is the radical left. Left-wing, but mainstream enough to have been in governments and be considered a "governmental party". The Trotskyists of the Worker's Struggle and the New Anti-Capitalist Party are the ultra-left.
And why would it be a benefit to the other ultra-lefts if the French ultra-left declines? Our Communists participated in government, are the progenitors of our Welfare State, and are much more credible than other ultra-lefts.

[Kubra]

But on a side note, It'd be a great benefit to the ultra left in the rest of the world if the french ultra left really does decline.

Uh... what? How? Why? That makes no sense...

The french ultra left and the writings that come out of it are overrated to a large degree outside of France, and don't translate well into the politics of other countries (especially anglo countries).
If ultra lefts are gonna fetishize euro's, the least they ought do is choose euro's they might be able to relate to, like the germans. May as well force the choice.

Oh...Then there would be no chance for a Communist Revolution in 1919 in France. Communism wasn't really a thing then, only revolutionary Socialism was relevant. Depending on the circumstances, like if Jean Jaurès had survived, or who was leading the revolution or whatnot, then maybe I could be neutral to a revolutionary socialist movement.

Also, the PCF is not the ultra-left or extreme-left in France. It is the radical left. Left-wing, but mainstream enough to have been in governments and be considered a "governmental party". The Trotskyists of the Worker's Struggle and the New Anti-Capitalist Party are the ultra-left.
And why would it be a benefit to the other ultra-lefts if the French ultra-left declines? Our Communists participated in government, are the progenitors of our Welfare State, and are much more credible than other ultra-lefts.

Yeah, the collapse of the secound international left everyone too far from the SFSR shit out of luck.
Jesus man I've been into this shit for a few years and I don't see many people having a specific criterion for what they'll call ultra and what they'll call radical, but that's probably a political difference between anglos and the french. radical and ultra in the anglo world generally denotes the sects outside of parliamentary politics, while the left encompasses all these little hanger-on parties attached to labour/the democratic party/NDP/take your pick, ain't no popular fronts here. If we take the french ultra-left to mean its anti-parliamentarian sects, we're left with a gaggle of very angry poets running backwater general stores. And now you tell me it's not them declining? I'm disappointed, man.
In terms of politics the french left isn't particularly unique, bruh. Most European communist parties did and do everything you've listed. But that said, I don't know what it will mean for the french radical left (as you've put it) to decline.

[Big Jim P]

Communism is nothing more than the high-speed lane to the lowest common denominator.

You see, when you say that, I get the feeling it comes from more of an objection to mass politics that define all modern ideologies more than the specific policies of communist ideology; in other words, a rejection of the values of mass struggle and unity in exchange for egoism.

All mass-movements are a race to the lowest common denominator. Communism is worse than most.

[Herargon]

Also, for every communist, I have a cool anthem here (The Dutch version):*


* Please note that this is not meant as spam or anything off topic.

The Internationale

Lyrics are, translated into English (I personally tried to translate it, I'm Dutch. Also, you always can correct me. ):

Awake, wretched of the earth!
Awake, damned in famine atmosphere!
Reasonability flows over the earth,
and that flow rises more and more,
Die, ye old shapes and thoughts,
Slave-borns, awake! Awake!
The world relies on new forces,
Greed has touched us;

Comrades! For the last time,

Till the struggle surrounds us,
and the Internationale
will tomorrow rule over the Earth!

The state oppresses, the law is a lie,
the wealthy man selfishly lives on,
Down to the marrow, the poor are sucked out,
and his right is a vain word
We're tired to adapt ourselves to other people's needs,
Brethren! Hear, how equality speaks;
No justice where obligations are lifted
No duty it teaches where justice is lacking

The rulers with devilish tricks,
Intoxicate us with bloody vampor,
Brethren! Don't fight anymore for other quarrels,
Break the lines; here's your camp,
Thou who wants to make us into heroes,
Oh! Barbarians, think what you do
We have weapons to hit them,
Which seem thirsty for blood!

[South Aztlan]

Yes

[Meryuma]

Anarchist communism is the way forward to transcend the limits of oppression and create a truly free and equal human community. The working people have suffered and been cast down too long.

[Conserative Morality]

Also, for every communist, I have a cool anthem here (The Dutch version):*


* Please note that this is not meant as spam or anything off topic.

The Internationale

Lyrics are, translated into English (I personally tried to translate it, I'm Dutch. Also, you always can correct me. ):

Awake, wretched of the earth!
Awake, damned in famine atmosphere!
Reasonability flows over the earth,
and that flow rises more and more,
Die, ye old shapes and thoughts,
Slave-borns, awake! Awake!
The world relies on new forces,
Greed has touched us;

Comrades! For the last time,

Till the struggle surrounds us,
and the Internationale
will tomorrow rule over the Earth!

The state oppresses, the law is a lie,
the wealthy man selfishly lives on,
Down to the marrow, the poor are sucked out,
and his right is a vain word
We're tired to adapt ourselves to other people's needs,
Brethren! Hear, how equality speaks;
No justice where obligations are lifted
No duty it teaches where justice is lacking

The rulers with devilish tricks,
Intoxicate us with bloody vampor,
Brethren! Don't fight anymore for other quarrels,
Break the lines; here's your camp,
Thou who wants to make us into heroes,
Oh! Barbarians, think what you do
We have weapons to hit them,
Which seem thirsty for blood!

My preference is for the Workers' Marseillaises.

[Herargon]

My preference is for the Workers' Marseillaises.

That's beautiful too, indeed.

[Hasuut Inu Tlomaq]

If I were alive in 1919, I or my parents would be recent arrivals in the US from the part of Europe under threat of invasion by the Russian Communist regime (eg. Poland) or the threat of local Communist uprisings (Hungary, Germany). As one of peasant background have long suffered the oppression of the local ruling classes, in the old country I might well join the Communists. Also, in the US I probably would be an industrial laborer struggling for better conditions and might support a revolution, although I would be more likely to see hope of change though voting for democratic Socialists.

[Communal Ecotopia]

Given that I would not yet know of the tragedy at Kronstadt or the Purges, nor believing that these must happen, I would support such a revolt wholeheartedly.

[Flarbinia]

If we had a communist revolution during the Great depression, that would be a good thing if you were alive then.
However, America was doing well in 1919, so I would not support it then.

[Communal Ecotopia]

I'd probably just high tail it to the West.

At this point it is a possibility that communism could rise in the west. Not in America, but maybe in western Europe.

Indeed, Rosa Luxembourg, Karl Liebknecht, and I would likely have died together in Germany in defense of the brief German Communist interwar state. Damn Freikorps.

[Communal Ecotopia]

On that note the Free Territory is still existent despite what the critics say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory

True, but at this point in the Civil War, they're cautiously backing the Red Army, as I would be.