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Postby Britanania » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:42 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Of course, there's also the argument that a reading of Scripture that focuses on Christ's message to the poor will inevitably lead to advocacy of a socialist or communist method of distribution of wealth. I don't know that I completely agree, but it's certainly consistent with the message of the Synoptic Gospels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

That's not the same as Marxism, though. While Jesus was a Communist, but he wasn't a Marxist.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:44 pm

Britanania wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Of course, there's also the argument that a reading of Scripture that focuses on Christ's message to the poor will inevitably lead to advocacy of a socialist or communist method of distribution of wealth. I don't know that I completely agree, but it's certainly consistent with the message of the Synoptic Gospels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

That's not the same as Marxism, though. While Jesus was a Communist, but he wasn't a Marxist.


No, but Liberation Theologians tended to be on the side of pro-Marxist movements in Latin America, or were at least sympathetic to them.

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Postby Benuty » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:46 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Britanania wrote:That's not the same as Marxism, though. While Jesus was a Communist, but he wasn't a Marxist.


No, but Liberation Theologians tended to be on the side of pro-Marxist movements in Latin America, or were at least sympathetic to them.

When they weren't getting gunned down by US funded/trained death squads.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:47 pm

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Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
No, but Liberation Theologians tended to be on the side of pro-Marxist movements in Latin America, or were at least sympathetic to them.

When they weren't getting gunned down by US funded/trained death squads.


Two groups that really love martyrs: Christians and Communist revolutionaries.

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Postby Britanania » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:50 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Benuty wrote:When they weren't getting gunned down by US funded/trained death squads.


Two groups that really love martyrs: Christians and Communist revolutionaries.

Most groups love martyrs
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Postby Anglo-California » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:50 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Of course, there's also the argument that a reading of Scripture that focuses on Christ's message to the poor will inevitably lead to advocacy of a socialist or communist method of distribution of wealth. I don't know that I completely agree, but it's certainly consistent with the message of the Synoptic Gospels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology


Liberation theology is social justice plus Jeebus, and my teachers won't shut up about it.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:53 pm

Anglo-California wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Of course, there's also the argument that a reading of Scripture that focuses on Christ's message to the poor will inevitably lead to advocacy of a socialist or communist method of distribution of wealth. I don't know that I completely agree, but it's certainly consistent with the message of the Synoptic Gospels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology


Liberation theology is social justice plus Jeebus, and my teachers won't shut up about it.


It's an interesting and challenging take on the subject, and one that made a number of wealthy church fathers understandably nervous, especially the ones with close ties to right-wing totalitarian regimes.

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Greater Weselton wrote:I believed communists are influenced by the Illuminati. It is all one big conspiracy against God.

Proof?

I have no proof, but evidence.
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Postby Greater Weselton » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:59 pm

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Greater Weselton wrote:I believed communists are influenced by the Illuminati. It is all one big conspiracy against God.


So, is the Catholic Church the true master behind this conspiracy, or is it its intented target?

I've heard both versions quite often.

The Catholic Church is targeted by the Illuminati like most other Christian denominations.
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Postby Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:00 pm

Greater Weselton wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Proof?

I have no proof, but evidence.

Nah, I don't believe you do. You see, when you have a statement and say you have proof, you usually present it. You have nothing and try to weasel your way out of it.
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Postby Murkwood » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:08 pm

Britanania wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Of course, there's also the argument that a reading of Scripture that focuses on Christ's message to the poor will inevitably lead to advocacy of a socialist or communist method of distribution of wealth. I don't know that I completely agree, but it's certainly consistent with the message of the Synoptic Gospels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

That's not the same as Marxism, though. While Jesus was a Communist, but he wasn't a Marxist.

“Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's"

- Mark 12:13-17

Jesus didn't care about economics, private property, or the means of production.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:10 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Benuty wrote:When they weren't getting gunned down by US funded/trained death squads.


Two groups that really love martyrs: Christians and Communist revolutionaries.

at one point in time latin american terrorists were considered the worlds most dangerous.

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Postby Arana » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:12 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Britanania wrote:That's not the same as Marxism, though. While Jesus was a Communist, but he wasn't a Marxist.

“Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's"

- Mark 12:13-17

Jesus didn't care about economics, private property, or the means of production.

Actually, this could be viewed as an argument for separation of church and state, something that is a generally leftist position (although today it's more moderate).

There are also a lot of quotes by Jesus about the rich needing to give to the poor, as well as that all people are equal under god. Then there's also the Beatitudes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatitudes
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Postby Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:20 pm

Arana wrote:
Murkwood wrote:“Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's"

- Mark 12:13-17

Jesus didn't care about economics, private property, or the means of production.

Actually, this could be viewed as an argument for separation of church and state, something that is a generally leftist position (although today it's more moderate).

Please elaborate on how an economic model has anything to do with the religiousness of the state.
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Postby Arana » Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:22 pm

Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism wrote:
Arana wrote:Actually, this could be viewed as an argument for separation of church and state, something that is a generally leftist position (although today it's more moderate).

Please elaborate on how an economic model has anything to do with the religiousness of the state.

...never mind. I'm bad at reading today :(
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Postby Land and Freedom » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:22 pm

Olivaero wrote:There are plenty of religious communes which have a much greater claim to living in "Communism" Than any state that has claimed the ideology.


Very much this.

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Postby Murkwood » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:37 am

Arana wrote:
Murkwood wrote:“Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's"

- Mark 12:13-17

Jesus didn't care about economics, private property, or the means of production.

Actually, this could be viewed as an argument for separation of church and state, something that is a generally leftist position (although today it's more moderate).

There are also a lot of quotes by Jesus about the rich needing to give to the poor, as well as that all people are equal under god. Then there's also the Beatitudes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatitudes

Giving to the poor isn't a leftist idea. If he said "private property is a bad thing", maybe. But there is nothing Communist about Jesus.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:55 am

Murkwood wrote:
Arana wrote:Actually, this could be viewed as an argument for separation of church and state, something that is a generally leftist position (although today it's more moderate).

There are also a lot of quotes by Jesus about the rich needing to give to the poor, as well as that all people are equal under god. Then there's also the Beatitudes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatitudes

Giving to the poor isn't a leftist idea. If he said "private property is a bad thing", maybe. But there is nothing Communist about Jesus.


jesus didnt expound on economic policy, like say milton friedman. but its fairly clear his main concern was a state of grace, and direct help for the poor, not supply side economics. render unto ceaser is a rejection of things roman, not a be a good roman citizen and pay your taxes sort of thing.

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Postby Britanania » Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:25 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Giving to the poor isn't a leftist idea. If he said "private property is a bad thing", maybe. But there is nothing Communist about Jesus.


jesus didnt expound on economic policy, like say milton friedman. but its fairly clear his main concern was a state of grace, and direct help for the poor, not supply side economics. render unto ceaser is a rejection of things roman, not a be a good roman citizen and pay your taxes sort of thing.

Jesus wasn't a big fan of Rome, or authority for that matter.
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