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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Benuty » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:16 am

Risottia wrote:
Benuty wrote:Why is it no one does Ahura Mazda?


Because it's more or less the same stuff as in Abraham's monotheism, give or take some details.

Quite a lot of details actually :P.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Creepoc Infinite » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:21 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Unconditional love makes love meaningless. It has to be earned, otherwise it's just hollow.


I tend to find that random people telling them they love me cheapens the idea of love. My family loves me, some unknown person on the internet does not love me, they don't even know me.

I find this to be insulting when random strangers love everyone unconditionally, i completely agree with you, but i find it more insulting
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Risottia » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:26 am

Benuty wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Because it's more or less the same stuff as in Abraham's monotheism, give or take some details.

Quite a lot of details actually :P.

Meh... one universal transcendent creator deity? Time evolving towards a final battle against the forces of evil, the dead being brought back to life by a saviour?
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Postby Conscentia » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:33 am

Risottia wrote:
Benuty wrote:Quite a lot of details actually :P.

Meh... one universal transcendent creator deity? Time evolving towards a final battle against the forces of evil, the dead being brought back to life by a saviour?

I don't recall that last bit being a part of Zoroastrianism.

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Arcanda
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Arcanda » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:36 am

Atheists often criticize us for being intolerant : When we tell them we love them, they reject us.
If religious people ate seafood, they would be criticized for not eating chicken.Goes both ways tho; but please recognize the silent majority who doesn't make insulting remarks or forbids you from marrying the person you love.

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Martean
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Postby Martean » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:39 am

Arcanda wrote:Atheists often criticize us for being intolerant : When we tell them we love them, they reject us.
If religious people ate seafood, they would be criticized for not eating chicken.Goes both ways tho; but please recognize the silent majority who doesn't make insulting remarks or forbids you from marrying the person you love.


Because religion is just love and happiness, right?

And religious leaders have never EVER supported dictators, right?
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Neutraligon » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:40 am

Arcanda wrote:Atheists often criticize us for being intolerant : When we tell them we love them, they reject us.
If religious people ate seafood, they would be criticized for not eating chicken.Goes both ways tho; but please recognize the silent majority who doesn't make insulting remarks or forbids you from marrying the person you love.


Because again you are removing any meaning to the word love. Loving someone and tolerating them are not the same thing. You do not love me, to love me you would have to know me, and you do not know me.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:41 am

Arcanda wrote:Atheists often criticize us for being intolerant : When we tell them we love them, they reject us.
If religious people ate seafood, they would be criticized for not eating chicken.Goes both ways tho; but please recognize the silent majority who doesn't make insulting remarks or forbids you from marrying the person you love.

Can't you people understand that we just want to be friends? Do I have to bring up the terms of the restraining order?
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Arcanda
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Postby Arcanda » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:44 am

As I said before, if someone's ever done bad things because of Christianity or Islam, he's neither a christian nor a muslim.
Religion, as it is meant to be, doesn't include bad things or wrong-doing.

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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:48 am

Arcanda wrote:As I said before, if someone's ever done bad things because of Christianity or Islam, he's neither a christian nor a muslim.
Religion, as it is meant to be, doesn't include bad things or wrong-doing.

Sure, and Marxism is meant to be a utopian classless society of universal bliss. When Marxist societies are actually like that, maybe I won't criticize them either.
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Neutraligon
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Neutraligon » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:48 am

Arcanda wrote:As I said before, if someone's ever done bad things because of Christianity or Islam, he's neither a christian nor a muslim.
Religion, as it is meant to be, doesn't include bad things or wrong-doing.


I would like to choose fallacies for $100
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Postby Martean » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:51 am

Arcanda wrote:As I said before, if someone's ever done bad things because of Christianity or Islam, he's neither a christian nor a muslim.
Religion, as it is meant to be, doesn't include bad things or wrong-doing.


Anyway, even if ALL christians/religious people were good people (which they're not) and christianity had always helped humanity (which has NOT), does it make it less false?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:53 am

Arcanda wrote:As I said before, if someone's ever done bad things because of Christianity or Islam, he's neither a christian nor a muslim.
Religion, as it is meant to be, doesn't include bad things or wrong-doing.


Why do you assume this ? It seems to be a rather silly claim.
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Arcanda
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Arcanda » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:54 am

Look up the statistics on which states in the US give the more to their churches.They're the most religious states.Plus, religion has helped people free themselves.Look up MLK.

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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:54 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Arcanda wrote:As I said before, if someone's ever done bad things because of Christianity or Islam, he's neither a christian nor a muslim.
Religion, as it is meant to be, doesn't include bad things or wrong-doing.


I would like to choose fallacies for $100

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Neutraligon
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Neutraligon » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:56 am

Arcanda wrote:Look up the statistics on which states in the US give the more to their churches.They're the most religious states.Plus, religion has helped people free themselves.Look up MLK.


It is true MLK was a minister, however it was his actions as advocate for equality that he helped people. It was not his religion that helped improve equlity. Also, why should I care which state gives more to churches?
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Postby Martean » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:57 am

Arcanda wrote:Look up the statistics on which states in the US give the more to their churches.They're the most religious states.Plus, religion has helped people free themselves.Look up MLK.


Mussolinni and hitler were also christians
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Postby Conscentia » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:58 am

Arcanda wrote:Look up the statistics on which states in the US give the more to their churches.They're the most religious states.Plus, religion has helped people free themselves.Look up MLK.

So when a religious person does a good thing it's because of their religion, but when a religious person does a bad thing it has nothing to do with religion?

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Postby Blekksprutia » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:58 am

I'm right here, guys, I keep telling you...
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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:58 am

Arcanda wrote:Look up the statistics on which states in the US give the more to their churches.They're the most religious states.Plus, religion has helped people free themselves.Look up MLK.

Wait... is this supposed to be some profound claim? That people who are more religious give more to churches?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:00 am

Conscentia wrote:
Arcanda wrote:Look up the statistics on which states in the US give the more to their churches.They're the most religious states.Plus, religion has helped people free themselves.Look up MLK.

So when a religious person does a good thing it's because of their religion, but when a religious person does a bad thing it has nothing to do with religion?

Yep. That's how it works.

Of course, what is considered "good" or "bad" can vary from century to century. Something which was good and clearly divinely inspired 400 years ago is just as clearly bad and not religious at all nowadays ;)
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Postby Blekksprutia » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:05 am

Conscentia wrote:
Blekksprutia wrote:I'm right here, guys, I keep telling you...

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I'm the one who told Colorado the real meaning of that part of the Bible where gays should be stoned. That's why they legalized gay marriage and marijuana at the same time...
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Arcanda
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Arcanda » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:01 pm

No, but it was to point it that people who are religious are not all bad people.Goes both ways.

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Postby Zottistan » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:14 pm

Arcanda wrote:No, but it was to point it that people who are religious are not all bad people.Goes both ways.

Nobody ever claimed that all religious people were bad people.
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