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Postby Naretion » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:08 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:what is it with the definition of selfish as being bad and or irrational.

For me it was just what I learned growing up. That being generous is good and being selfish is bad. I see now that by definition that is not entirely correct but it is what was taught to me as a child.
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Postby The Flood » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:14 pm

Giovenith wrote:
The Flood wrote:I never said they don't have morals, I said they have poor morals.
The only things that don't have morals are things that don't have thoughts. In the case that perhaps it does say 'no morals' in my views page, it's a typo and it is supposed to say 'poor morals'.

And what, pray tell, exactly are these, "poor morals"?
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Postby The Flood » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:27 pm

Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism wrote:
The Flood wrote:I never said they don't have morals, I said they have poor morals.
The only things that don't have morals are things that don't have thoughts. In the case that perhaps it does say 'no morals' in my views page, it's a typo and it is supposed to say 'poor morals'.

Congratulations, you just went from severely detached from reality to just detached from reality.
No you're detached from reality for disagreeing with me!

See what I did there? You can't just say someone is 'detached from reality' because they disagree with you.
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Postby Torisakia » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:29 pm

Jumalariik wrote:when parents get divorced, children suffer.

That goes for all children?

When I was 10, my parents got divorced. And I didn't suffer. Hell, I was glad when they got divorced.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:33 pm

Naretion wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:what is it with the definition of selfish as being bad and or irrational.

For me it was just what I learned growing up. That being generous is good and being selfish is bad. I see now that by definition that is not entirely correct but it is what was taught to me as a child.

i think a lot of people do, but there is not anything inherent to make selfish bad, selfish is neutral.

for example a good christian is a good christian because they want to be saved. and as a good christian they do good works. the motivation to be saved is still a selfish one

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:35 pm

Torisakia wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:when parents get divorced, children suffer.

That goes for all children?

When I was 10, my parents got divorced. And I didn't suffer. Hell, I was glad when they got divorced.

after watching you talk for the past year or so, you really wanna claim you dont have relationship issues?

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Postby District XIV » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:36 pm

Torisakia wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:when parents get divorced, children suffer.

That goes for all children?

When I was 10, my parents got divorced. And I didn't suffer. Hell, I was glad when they got divorced.

Indeed; my story, for example.
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Postby Asyir » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:47 pm

Is divorce a right? Yes. Is it selfish? Sometimes. It depends on the context and meaning behind the divorce.
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Postby Othelos » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:10 pm

The Flood wrote:
Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism wrote:Oh, so you acknowledge that atheists have morals, therefore proving my point. You're severely detached from reality.
I never said they don't have morals, I said they have poor morals.

It depends on what you define as moral.

If someone is not harming another or damaging/stealing their things, then I think that they have good morals. Morality doesn't have to be super restrictive.
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Postby Othelos » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:14 pm

The Flood wrote:
Giovenith wrote:And what, pray tell, exactly are these, "poor morals"?
Pro-choice, anti-abstinance, pro-porn, etc, etc, etc.

Most of the people in the US who are pro-choice are christian, along with most people who are pro-freedom of speech and don't care whether someone has extramarital sex.

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Postby The Minions of Beyonce » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:16 pm

I think that if you make a promise to be married to someone your entire life FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, you should follow through on that promise, especially if you have kids and not leaving them behind to suffer you selfish actions. I do think that there are certain cases when divorce is justified. Like in an abusive relationship or when one is being unfaithful and isn't showing any action to move back towards their spouse, but marriage isn't something that should be flung around so flippantly.

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Postby Othelos » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:24 pm

The Minions of Beyonce wrote:I think that if you make a promise to be married to someone your entire life FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE, you should follow through on that promise, especially if you have kids and not leaving them behind to suffer you selfish actions. I do think that there are certain cases when divorce is justified. Like in an abusive relationship or when one is being unfaithful and isn't showing any action to move back towards their spouse, but marriage isn't something that should be flung around so flippantly.

so just stay together if the couple ends up hating each other? yeah, cool.

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Postby Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:43 am

The Flood wrote:
Giovenith wrote:And what, pray tell, exactly are these, "poor morals"?
Pro-choice, anti-abstinance, pro-porn, etc, etc, etc.

So freedom is bad. Duly noted.

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Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism wrote:Congratulations, you just went from severely detached from reality to just detached from reality.
No you're detached from reality for disagreeing with me!

See what I did there? You can't just say someone is 'detached from reality' because they disagree with you.

Actually, I apologize. It was very arrogant of me to call you detached from reality. To add, I gained nothing from it.
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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:51 am

Ofc it is a right, and it is selfish if you do not attempt to maintain good relations with and support your children even if they're out of your custody.
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Postby Meridiani Planum » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:09 am

Jumalariik wrote:Is it a right for parents to get divorced


In the sense that people have a right to freedom of association.

and is it selfish?


Yes, but only in the good sense. Everyone has a moral right to cut off a bad relationship. I do think that there are continuing obligations to children.
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Postby The Flood » Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:16 pm

Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism wrote:
The Flood wrote:Pro-choice, anti-abstinance, pro-porn, etc, etc, etc.

So freedom is bad. Duly noted.
The Flood wrote:No you're detached from reality for disagreeing with me!
See what I did there? You can't just say someone is 'detached from reality' because they disagree with you.

Actually, I apologize. It was very arrogant of me to call you detached from reality. To add, I gained nothing from it.
Well... if you actually mean it... okay.
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Postby United States of White America » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:02 pm

Yes it is selfish, and it is not a right.
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Postby Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:03 pm

United States of White America wrote:Yes it is selfish, and it is not a right.

What excuse do you have to stick your nose in other people's affairs?
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Postby Jydara » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:05 pm

I do not think it is selfish or wrong. The way people tend to go about it is the problem.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:13 pm

Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Yes it is selfish, and it is not a right.

What excuse do you have to stick your nose in other people's affairs?

the same one that sets the speed limit on roads, how hold you have to be to drive a car, how many people you can marry at the same time, and set the lenght of time your allowed to take out a library book.

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Postby Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:19 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism wrote:What excuse do you have to stick your nose in other people's affairs?

the same one that sets the speed limit on roads, how hold you have to be to drive a car, how many people you can marry at the same time, and set the lenght of time your allowed to take out a library book.

So... desire to control other people and profit from them to no end? I thought I'm the egoist here...
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:22 pm

Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:the same one that sets the speed limit on roads, how hold you have to be to drive a car, how many people you can marry at the same time, and set the lenght of time your allowed to take out a library book.

So... desire to control other people and profit from them to no end? I thought I'm the egoist here...

speed limits are from a desire to control others? safety and public welfare have nothing to do with it?

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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:26 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism wrote:So... desire to control other people and profit from them to no end? I thought I'm the egoist here...

speed limits are from a desire to control others? safety and public welfare have nothing to do with it?

How does divorce in any way effect safety and public welfare?
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Postby Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:27 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism wrote:So... desire to control other people and profit from them to no end? I thought I'm the egoist here...

speed limits are from 1 a desire to control others? 2 safety and public welfare have nothing to do with it?

Not mutually exclusive, and yes, speed limits are about controlling the driver.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:32 pm

Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:speed limits are from 1 a desire to control others? 2 safety and public welfare have nothing to do with it?

Not mutually exclusive, and yes, speed limits are about controlling the driver.

to provide public safety, which is the role of the state, setting how long you can take out a book from a public library is not about controlling others, but making books purchased on the public dime available to all. marriage and divorce laws are about public welfare, which is also within the perview of the state.

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