Boer genocide in South Africa

[Blakk Metal]

The fact that 'genocide' has no consistent definition.

Sure it does.

...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

‘genocide’ means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

This is the only legal definition of genocide.

The phrase 'whole or in part' is worthless. Ted Bundy killed a part of the white race, is that genocide?

[Lydenburg]

But the Boers get their Volkstaat in the end.

You ain't spoiling nothing right? I'm at the home stretch to the ending.

Whoops.

Anyroad, I read it a long time ago...may be mistaken. Smashing tale.

[Ainin]

Sure it does.


This is the only legal definition of genocide.

The phrase 'whole or in part' is worthless. Ted Bundy killed a part of the white race, is that genocide?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_interpretation
This exists, you know.

The term "in part" has been interpreted by courts, tribunals, etc. It needs to be systematic and organised, which the situation of South Africa does not meet.

[Blakk Metal]

The phrase 'whole or in part' is worthless. Ted Bundy killed a part of the white race, is that genocide?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_interpretation
This exists, you know.

The term "in part" has been interpreted by courts, tribunals, etc. It needs to be systematic and organised, which the situation of South Africa does not meet.

The Trail of Tears has been referred to as genocide, to the point of Wikipedia making 'Native American Genocide' redirect to it, despite the fact US never intended to systematically engage in "(a) Killing members of the group;(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

[Anglo-California]

Yeah, I would have fought Mandela, too. But I don't thinking fleeing South Africa was necessary. A compromise could have been reached where an Afrikaner nation-state is carved out of some small part of South Africa and the Afrikaners would all live there.

You're both admitted racialists who believe in discredited anti-scientific hokum. I think it's safe to say that whatever your opinions about the subject are, they are as dangerously misinformed on this particular as they are on the general subject of race.

Sovereignty is dangerous?

Got it.

[Nesixar]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_interpretation
This exists, you know.

The term "in part" has been interpreted by courts, tribunals, etc. It needs to be systematic and organised, which the situation of South Africa does not meet.

The Trail of Tears has been referred to as genocide, to the point of Wikipedia making 'Native American Genocide' redirect to it, despite the fact US never intended to systematically engage in "(a) Killing members of the group;(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

The colonists did all of those things at one point or another over a period of 500 years. The US intended nothing less than the destruction of the native peoples. They drove the natives from their land, slaughtered men women and children, knowingly spread disease (ever heard of the smallpox blankets?), destroyed their cultures and ways of life, wiped out their food sources (the Buffalo?), forced them into slavery (encomienda?), and, when at last they had been finally and thoroughly defeated and reduced to a fraction of their prior population, pinned them into reservations on the most desolate and unusable land. They then took away even that to create the state of Oklahoma.

[Saiwania]

Okay I guess Robert Mugabe is legitimate then.

Robert Mugabe is a legitimate head of state in that, he is actually in charge of Zimbabwe and his dictatorial control has yet to receive any challenge. He can largely do whatever he wants to his country, the rest of the world doesn't care.

And I wouldn't live under a white dude ruling an African country. How is Nelson Mandela bad? He had the guts to stand up to white supremacist shitheads who got into power because the British helped them. I support Nelson Mandela and the fact that he stood up for us Africans just like other liberation leaders.

What Nelson Mandela wanted for South Africa is diametrically opposed to what the Afrikaners wanted. I recognize that it wouldn't have been in my interests at all to support him had I lived in South Africa. I would've known that 1994 was when I needed to pack my bags and get out. I think any Whites who happen to be members of the ANC, must be full of self hatred. The fact is that Black nationalism has been more effective at achieving its goals than White nationalists ever were.

[Herskerstad]

Should have partitioned that broken nation decades ago.

[Germanic Nordland]

a) It's a fact that black people are more racist than white people on an average basis. Living with blacks rarely work, as black people blame white for not being able to live as "good lifes" as they want to. This is probably because the political-correctness has gone so far for whites, banning words like "black"(In some countries, like norway), you need to say "afrcian" (which is 100% retarded, arabs in northern africa is also "african", but not black. They're blacks, black african in any case). This scares white people from anything close to "racism"; while blacks don't have that problem and therefore are more accepted as racists in their own communities. This makes it pretty bad for a white person to live in a black-dominiated country.

b) Multiculture is not possible, and therefore the boers should a) form a military and defeat black mobs trying to murder(probably the worst suggestion, but it is in theory possible?), b) form an independent republic in South Africa, probably deporting blacks from it, or c) leave South Africa. (

*The reason multiculture is a failure is simple; it doesn't need to mean that one culture is superior, even though it is a fact that western and east-asian culture has grown a lot more than middle-eastern or african culture in the last 600 years. But even if people prefer such cultures, multiculture = culture crash. And when two cultures face off, there will be trouble, there will be crime and there will be racism.
*Also, don't add countries like "Switzerland", because the cultural differences between northern frenchmen, nothern italians and germans are minimal, because most northen french/italians also have germanic blood. But if we go a bit further north (Northern Ireland), then we see another perfect example of why multiculture is doomed.

In countries like Norway, Sweden, England, Germany, France, Belgium, people have a lot of problems with multicultural aspects, as it evolves a lot of crime, makes life harder for women as they are treated unfairly by african/middle eastern people on a general basis. *Merkel and Cameron both stated that multiculture is dead/failed, a proof for me that in these countries they have failed utterly and I don't see any countries where this is not the case*

So I would feel that the South African government should, if the boers agree, buy them out and let them move back to the Netherlands. This is because multiculture does not work, it doesn't matter if it's blacks that move or whites. Either you must destroy the other culture, or you must adopt. Living with your own culture in a different country normally makes for a lot of hard time,

[Buse]

...Whites who happen to be members of the ANC, must be full of self hatred.

Well, I think you have people like Joe Slovo on mind (who i personally cant stand), the Whites who supported th ANC were member of the SA Communist Party which is in coalition with the ANC for about 50 years by now.

[Nesixar]

a) It's a fact that black people are more racist than white people on an average basis. Living with blacks rarely work, as black people blame white for not being able to live as "good lifes" as they want to. This is probably because the political-correctness has gone so far for whites, banning words like "black"(In some countries, like norway), you need to say "afrcian" (which is 100% retarded, arabs in northern africa is also "african", but not black. They're blacks, black african in any case). This scares white people from anything close to "racism"; while blacks don't have that problem and therefore are more accepted as racists in their own communities. This makes it pretty bad for a white person to live in a black-dominiated country.

b) Multiculture is not possible, and therefore the boers should a) form a military and defeat black mobs trying to murder(probably the worst suggestion, but it is in theory possible?), b) form an independent republic in South Africa, probably deporting blacks from it, or c) leave South Africa. (

*The reason multiculture is a failure is simple; it doesn't need to mean that one culture is superior, even though it is a fact that western and east-asian culture has grown a lot more than middle-eastern or african culture in the last 600 years. But even if people prefer such cultures, multiculture = culture crash. And when two cultures face off, there will be trouble, there will be crime and there will be racism.
*Also, don't add countries like "Switzerland", because the cultural differences between northern frenchmen, nothern italians and germans are minimal, because most northen french/italians also have germanic blood. But if we go a bit further north (Northern Ireland), then we see another perfect example of why multiculture is doomed.

In countries like Norway, Sweden, England, Germany, France, Belgium, people have a lot of problems with multicultural aspects, as it evolves a lot of crime, makes life harder for women as they are treated unfairly by african/middle eastern people on a general basis. *Merkel and Cameron both stated that multiculture is dead/failed, a proof for me that in these countries they have failed utterly and I don't see any countries where this is not the case*

So I would feel that the South African government should, if the boers agree, buy them out and let them move back to the Netherlands. This is because multiculture does not work, it doesn't matter if it's blacks that move or whites. Either you must destroy the other culture, or you must adopt. Living with your own culture in a different country normally makes for a lot of hard time,

This fucking forum. Why haven't the mods cracked down on the rampant nazi troll population?

[Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism]

What a waste. I mean, the apartheid was a perfect manifestation of white idiocy just like the policies of the nazis, but this is just a huge waste.

[Germanic Nordland]

This fucking forum. Why haven't the mods cracked down on the rampant nazi troll population?[/quote]



Nazi troll? I said an honest opinion, which you politically correct left and liberal extremes cannot seem to handle. I bet my arguments against multi culturalism is way more correct and less biased than your.
Calling someone who disagree with you a nazi troll makes you seem pretty much like an imbecil.
And for the record, I never mentioned white people being supreme, I just mentioned cultures of Northern america, europe/eastern easia being superior to the rest, which is a fact.

[New switz empire]

If it becomes a full-blown genocide on the scale of Rwanda (God forbid) the UN better get on that biz.

I'm inclined to believe that the UN will simply stand idly by.

the UN is shit. End of story

[Right-Wing Anarchy of Egoism]

This fucking forum. Why haven't the mods cracked down on the rampant nazi troll population?

Nazi troll? I said an honest opinion, which you politically correct left and liberal extremes cannot seem to handle. I bet my arguments against multi culturalism is way more correct and less biased than your.
Calling someone who disagree with you a nazi troll makes you seem pretty much like an imbecil.
And for the record, I never mentioned white people being supreme, I just mentioned cultures of Northern america, europe/eastern easia being superior to the rest, which is a fact.

An honest belief doesn't exempt you from the rules, as per the rules.

[Germanic Nordland]

Nazi troll? I said an honest opinion, which you politically correct left and liberal extremes cannot seem to handle. I bet my arguments against multi culturalism is way more correct and less biased than your.
Calling someone who disagree with you a nazi troll makes you seem pretty much like an imbecil.
And for the record, I never mentioned white people being supreme, I just mentioned cultures of Northern america, europe/eastern easia being superior to the rest, which is a fact.

An honest belief doesn't exempt you from the rules, as per the rules.

Did I not follow the rules? Please enlighten me on what I said that's not acceptable.

[Kelinfort]

This seems very sensationalised.

[Kelinfort]

a) It's a fact that black people are more racist than white people on an average basis. Living with blacks rarely work, as black people blame white for not being able to live as "good lifes" as they want to. This is probably because the political-correctness has gone so far for whites, banning words like "black"(In some countries, like norway), you need to say "afrcian" (which is 100% retarded, arabs in northern africa is also "african", but not black. They're blacks, black african in any case). This scares white people from anything close to "racism"; while blacks don't have that problem and therefore are more accepted as racists in their own communities. This makes it pretty bad for a white person to live in a black-dominiated country.

b) Multiculture is not possible, and therefore the boers should a) form a military and defeat black mobs trying to murder(probably the worst suggestion, but it is in theory possible?), b) form an independent republic in South Africa, probably deporting blacks from it, or c) leave South Africa. (

*The reason multiculture is a failure is simple; it doesn't need to mean that one culture is superior, even though it is a fact that western and east-asian culture has grown a lot more than middle-eastern or african culture in the last 600 years. But even if people prefer such cultures, multiculture = culture crash. And when two cultures face off, there will be trouble, there will be crime and there will be racism.
*Also, don't add countries like "Switzerland", because the cultural differences between northern frenchmen, nothern italians and germans are minimal, because most northen french/italians also have germanic blood. But if we go a bit further north (Northern Ireland), then we see another perfect example of why multiculture is doomed.

In countries like Norway, Sweden, England, Germany, France, Belgium, people have a lot of problems with multicultural aspects, as it evolves a lot of crime, makes life harder for women as they are treated unfairly by african/middle eastern people on a general basis. *Merkel and Cameron both stated that multiculture is dead/failed, a proof for me that in these countries they have failed utterly and I don't see any countries where this is not the case*

So I would feel that the South African government should, if the boers agree, buy them out and let them move back to the Netherlands. This is because multiculture does not work, it doesn't matter if it's blacks that move or whites. Either you must destroy the other culture, or you must adopt. Living with your own culture in a different country normally makes for a lot of hard time,

1.5/10, use more false conclusions.

[Anglo-California]

a) It's a fact that black people are more racist than white people on an average basis. Living with blacks rarely work, as black people blame white for not being able to live as "good lifes" as they want to. This is probably because the political-correctness has gone so far for whites, banning words like "black"(In some countries, like norway), you need to say "afrcian" (which is 100% retarded, arabs in northern africa is also "african", but not black. They're blacks, black african in any case). This scares white people from anything close to "racism"; while blacks don't have that problem and therefore are more accepted as racists in their own communities. This makes it pretty bad for a white person to live in a black-dominiated country.

b) Multiculture is not possible, and therefore the boers should a) form a military and defeat black mobs trying to murder(probably the worst suggestion, but it is in theory possible?), b) form an independent republic in South Africa, probably deporting blacks from it, or c) leave South Africa. (

*The reason multiculture is a failure is simple; it doesn't need to mean that one culture is superior, even though it is a fact that western and east-asian culture has grown a lot more than middle-eastern or african culture in the last 600 years. But even if people prefer such cultures, multiculture = culture crash. And when two cultures face off, there will be trouble, there will be crime and there will be racism.
*Also, don't add countries like "Switzerland", because the cultural differences between northern frenchmen, nothern italians and germans are minimal, because most northen french/italians also have germanic blood. But if we go a bit further north (Northern Ireland), then we see another perfect example of why multiculture is doomed.

In countries like Norway, Sweden, England, Germany, France, Belgium, people have a lot of problems with multicultural aspects, as it evolves a lot of crime, makes life harder for women as they are treated unfairly by african/middle eastern people on a general basis. *Merkel and Cameron both stated that multiculture is dead/failed, a proof for me that in these countries they have failed utterly and I don't see any countries where this is not the case*

So I would feel that the South African government should, if the boers agree, buy them out and let them move back to the Netherlands. This is because multiculture does not work, it doesn't matter if it's blacks that move or whites. Either you must destroy the other culture, or you must adopt. Living with your own culture in a different country normally makes for a lot of hard time,

This fucking forum. Why haven't the mods cracked down on the rampant nazi troll population?

Whahh a white man said something!!!

[Trotskylvania]

This fucking forum. Why haven't the mods cracked down on the rampant nazi troll population?

Whahh a white man said something!!!

This isn't the issue and you fucking know it.

You can pretend all you want. But the record is fucking right there. A person posts an ignorant racist diatribe about black untermenschen, he' s gonna get fucking called on it. But because you're an inveterate racist desperately trying to compensate for the fact that you're mixed race as well, you're gonna defend that stupid shit with this malarkey.

[Farnhamia]

Nazi troll? I said an honest opinion, which you politically correct left and liberal extremes cannot seem to handle. I bet my arguments against multi culturalism is way more correct and less biased than your.
Calling someone who disagree with you a nazi troll makes you seem pretty much like an imbecil.
And for the record, I never mentioned white people being supreme, I just mentioned cultures of Northern america, europe/eastern easia being superior to the rest, which is a fact.

*** Warned for flaming ***

[Farnhamia]

a) It's a fact that black people are more racist than white people on an average basis. Living with blacks rarely work, as black people blame white for not being able to live as "good lifes" as they want to. This is probably because the political-correctness has gone so far for whites, banning words like "black"(In some countries, like norway), you need to say "afrcian" (which is 100% retarded, arabs in northern africa is also "african", but not black. They're blacks, black african in any case). This scares white people from anything close to "racism"; while blacks don't have that problem and therefore are more accepted as racists in their own communities. This makes it pretty bad for a white person to live in a black-dominiated country.

b) Multiculture is not possible, and therefore the boers should a) form a military and defeat black mobs trying to murder(probably the worst suggestion, but it is in theory possible?), b) form an independent republic in South Africa, probably deporting blacks from it, or c) leave South Africa. (

*The reason multiculture is a failure is simple; it doesn't need to mean that one culture is superior, even though it is a fact that western and east-asian culture has grown a lot more than middle-eastern or african culture in the last 600 years. But even if people prefer such cultures, multiculture = culture crash. And when two cultures face off, there will be trouble, there will be crime and there will be racism.
*Also, don't add countries like "Switzerland", because the cultural differences between northern frenchmen, nothern italians and germans are minimal, because most northen french/italians also have germanic blood. But if we go a bit further north (Northern Ireland), then we see another perfect example of why multiculture is doomed.

In countries like Norway, Sweden, England, Germany, France, Belgium, people have a lot of problems with multicultural aspects, as it evolves a lot of crime, makes life harder for women as they are treated unfairly by african/middle eastern people on a general basis. *Merkel and Cameron both stated that multiculture is dead/failed, a proof for me that in these countries they have failed utterly and I don't see any countries where this is not the case*

So I would feel that the South African government should, if the boers agree, buy them out and let them move back to the Netherlands. This is because multiculture does not work, it doesn't matter if it's blacks that move or whites. Either you must destroy the other culture, or you must adopt. Living with your own culture in a different country normally makes for a lot of hard time,

This fucking forum. Why haven't the mods cracked down on the rampant nazi troll population?

*** Warned for troll-naming ***

If you think someone is trolling, report them, do not post "Troll!" in the thread.

[Anglo-California]

Whahh a white man said something!!!

This isn't the issue and you fucking know it.

You can pretend all you want. But the record is fucking right there. A person posts an ignorant racist diatribe about black untermenschen, he' s gonna get fucking called on it. But because you're an inveterate racist desperately trying to compensate for the fact that you're mixed race as well, you're gonna defend that stupid shit with this malarkey.

No, the guy is whining because the previous guy has some grievances about multiculturalism, which is hardly "racist", which is really a scare term anyways, with as much meaning as the word heresy had in the Dark Ages. You use the word " racist" like it's supposed to prove you right and invalidate anyone to the right of you. Which is ironic because you're a communist and this is exactly how communists were treated back in the day.

Furthermore, I am neither mixed-raced nor am I compensating for anything. What is there to compensate for? You're the one who seems to have a meltdown with every post I make.

[Stormwind-City]

This isn't the issue and you fucking know it.

You can pretend all you want. But the record is fucking right there. A person posts an ignorant racist diatribe about black untermenschen, he' s gonna get fucking called on it. But because you're an inveterate racist desperately trying to compensate for the fact that you're mixed race as well, you're gonna defend that stupid shit with this malarkey.

No, the guy is whining because the previous guy has some grievances about multiculturalism, which is hardly "racist", which is really a scare term anyways, with as much meaning as the word heresy had in the Dark Ages. You use the word " racist" like it's supposed to prove you right and invalidate anyone to the right of you. Which is ironic because you're a communist and this is exactly how communists were treated back in the day.

Furthermore, I am neither mixed-raced nor am I compensating for anything. What is there to compensate for? You're the one who seems to have a meltdown with every post I make.

"It's a fact that black people are more racist than white people on an average basis. Living with blacks rarely work, as black people blame white for not being able to live as "good lifes" as they want to."
We were never/they are racist. Check. Making opinion into fact. Check. Blacks rarely work. Check. Blacks blame all their problems on whites. Check.

Seems racist to me.

[Trotskylvania]

This isn't the issue and you fucking know it.

You can pretend all you want. But the record is fucking right there. A person posts an ignorant racist diatribe about black untermenschen, he' s gonna get fucking called on it. But because you're an inveterate racist desperately trying to compensate for the fact that you're mixed race as well, you're gonna defend that stupid shit with this malarkey.

No, the guy is whining because the previous guy has some grievances about multiculturalism, which is hardly "racist", which is really a scare term anyways, with as much meaning as the word heresy had in the Dark Ages. You use the word " racist" like it's supposed to prove you right and invalidate anyone to the right of you. Which is ironic because you're a communist and this is exactly how communists were treated back in the day.

Furthermore, I am neither mixed-raced nor am I compensating for anything. What is there to compensate for? You're the one who seems to have a meltdown with every post I make.

Maybe you missed the very first paragraph, where he said that whites can't live with blacks because blacks are always less well off and will always blame whites for that rather accept the truth.

You're not going to pull this BS. Racism isn't the equivalent of heresy in the dark ages. It's a vile ideology of exclusion and domination. It doesn't matter how you dress it up as "race realism", or how you parrot neoreactionary talking points, the facts remain that racism is vile and stupid. It is not based on reason or facts, it is pure animus that serves only to provide a means for people like yourself to feel superior and denigrate other people.

It doesn't matter how much you try to obfuscate it. You are not fooling anyone.