People's Climate March

[4years]

Has NSG really not noticed? Is it left to me to start the thread? Strange, I would have thought that hundreds of thousands of people marching the streets of New York and other cities around the world would be hard to miss.

Of course I am in completely solidarity with those who seek to save the planet from the ravages of capitalism. The specter of climate change and environmental degradation threaten to destroy the world as we know and embody all the horrors of capitalism. Not content with striking blows against the poorest and most vulnerable sections of the human population, the capitalist class is driven to risk sacrificing the human race itself on the alter of profit. With CO2 levels pressing on 400 pmm, the choice before us it clear socialism or extinction. The final battles, that will not merely decide humanity's future but if humanity even has a future, are upon us. The time is now. Proletarians of all countries unite!

What say you NSG? Are you content smother under the growing blanket of greenhouse gases or are you prepared to stand up and do something about it?

[Digital Planets]

Nevermind.

[Occupied Deutschland]

I shall drive my 1-ton diesel pickup needlessly and burn some old tires and used motor oil in solidarity with these brave protestors.
Wait, I'm part of the 'capitalist class'...Guess I'll do the same thing only more so.

[Tubbsalot]

Of course I am in completely solidarity with those who seek to save the planet from the ravages of capitalism.

This isn't really anything to do with capitalism.

[Zunkwentania]

Of course I am in completely solidarity with those who seek to save the planet from the ravages of capitalism.

This isn't really anything to do with capitalism.

Kinda does. Unregulated capitalism led to our dependency on oil, depending on who you ask of course.

[Solaray]

This isn't really anything to do with capitalism.

Kinda does. Unregulated capitalism led to our dependency on oil, depending on who you ask of course.

Indeed. Unregulated capitalism is to blame, not capitalism as a whole.

[Grenartia]

Of course I am in completely solidarity with those who seek to save the planet from the ravages of capitalism.

This isn't really anything to do with capitalism.

Except, it does. Its been capitalism (the fossil fuel industry in particular) that has been keeping us from implementing more effective changes to combat rising C02 levels and other forms of pollution.

Personally, I'm wondering when we'll wake up. Does the entire city of New Orleans have to drown for the world to get we need to make immediate changes?

[Tubbsalot]

This isn't really anything to do with capitalism.

Kinda does. Unregulated capitalism led to our dependency on oil, depending on who you ask of course.

I would tend to emphasise the "unregulated" part of that sentence. Capitalism is just a way to encourage economic activity. If we want to direct that activity towards certain ends, like environmental friendliness, it's up to the government to put regulations in place.

[Tubbsalot]

Except, it does. Its been capitalism (the fossil fuel industry in particular) that has been keeping us from implementing more effective changes to combat rising C02 levels and other forms of pollution.

Again, that's a problem with the government, not a problem with capitalism. (Or rather it is a problem with capitalism, but there's no way to avoid it, and it's not as though it's a secret - it's just something you counteract by having a responsible government.)

Personally, I'm wondering when we'll wake up. Does the entire city of New Orleans have to drown for the world to get we need to make immediate changes?

Of course not. New Orleans floods all the time. You'd probably have to wait for the crust to go molten before people started acknowledging that there might be something to the whole 'climate change' thing.

[Occupied Deutschland]

This isn't really anything to do with capitalism.

Except, it does. Its been capitalism (the fossil fuel industry in particular) that has been keeping us from implementing more effective changes to combat rising C02 levels and other forms of pollution. ...

On the contrary, leftist, "green" organizations have done so via their opposition to nuclear power.

[Zunkwentania]

Except, it does. Its been capitalism (the fossil fuel industry in particular) that has been keeping us from implementing more effective changes to combat rising C02 levels and other forms of pollution. ...

On the contrary, leftist, "green" organizations have done so via their opposition to nuclear power.

Yeah; some greens can be a bit ignorant when it comes to science. But the oil barons help even less.

[Estado Nacional]

Are you content smother under the growing blanket of greenhouse gases

I'm pretty good, could be better, but still, pretty good. Thanks.

[Grenartia]

Except, it does. Its been capitalism (the fossil fuel industry in particular) that has been keeping us from implementing more effective changes to combat rising C02 levels and other forms of pollution.

1. Again, that's a problem with the government, not a problem with capitalism. (Or rather it is a problem with capitalism, but there's no way to avoid it, and it's not as though it's a secret - it's just something you counteract by having a responsible government.)

Personally, I'm wondering when we'll wake up. Does the entire city of New Orleans have to drown for the world to get we need to make immediate changes?

Of course not. 2. New Orleans floods all the time. You'd probably have to wait for the crust to go molten before people started acknowledging that there might be something to the whole 'climate change' thing.

1. Arguably, having a responsible government and a capitalist system are kind of mutually exclusive.

2. Not all the time. And I should know, as the city is my hometown. However, you also seem to misunderstand my point by "drown". I'm not talking minor street flooding from an exceptionally strong downpour, and I'm not talking about "turning the streets into America's Venice, Italy" levels from a major hurricane knocking holes in a few levees. I'm talking, full-on, abandon-the-city-permanently-due-to-Atlantis-esque-sinking-into-the-sea DROWNING.

Except, it does. Its been capitalism (the fossil fuel industry in particular) that has been keeping us from implementing more effective changes to combat rising C02 levels and other forms of pollution. ...

On the contrary, leftist, "green" organizations have done so via their opposition to nuclear power.

I never said they didn't play their part. Also, most of those organizations were and are still pro-capitalism.

Also, not all objections to nuclear power are inherently stupid or wrong. There are some legitimate concerns about safety and failsafes, but I'm generally pro-nuclear power if/when we can reliably get past that shit.

[Ethel mermania]

This isn't really anything to do with capitalism.

Kinda does. Unregulated capitalism led to our dependency on oil, depending on who you ask of course.

then why was the eastern bloc an ecological horror show prior to the fall of communism?

[Zunkwentania]

Kinda does. Unregulated capitalism led to our dependency on oil, depending on who you ask of course.

then why was the eastern bloc an ecological horror show prior to the fall of communism?

Because the Soviets were in an economic nightmare, but they had so much oil, gas, and coal, so they had to use them.

[Cedoria]

Kinda does. Unregulated capitalism led to our dependency on oil, depending on who you ask of course.

then why was the eastern bloc an ecological horror show prior to the fall of communism?

Partly because it wasn't "communist" per se, in that it didn't follow Marx's theories concerning... well.. anything. Ecologically Marx was a conservationist.

[Atlanticatia]

Some of my family and friends went to that march in the city. I stand with those that marched, and would've gone if I could have.

Hopefully politicians stop trying to pretend climate change isn't a thing, and we start to fight it. We can be carbon-neutral. We can generate electricity from renewable sources. We can end our addiction to oil.

The longer we wait to act, the harder it'll be. If we act now, we can fight climate change without damaging the economy or being draconian.

[The Scientific States]

Except, it does. Its been capitalism (the fossil fuel industry in particular) that has been keeping us from implementing more effective changes to combat rising C02 levels and other forms of pollution. ...

On the contrary, leftist, "green" organizations have done so via their opposition to nuclear power.

Which is silly, as nuclear power is the best non fossil fuel energy resource we have.

Anyways, I'm glad there is a protest in favor of greater environmental protection, but I hardly see how it has anything to do with capitalism. Caring for the environment isn't necessarily a "left vs right issue."

[Ethel mermania]

then why was the eastern bloc an ecological horror show prior to the fall of communism?

Because the Soviets were in an economic nightmare, but they had so much oil, gas, and coal, so they had to use them.

what does that even mean, and how does it make capitalism responsible.

[Grenartia]

Kinda does. Unregulated capitalism led to our dependency on oil, depending on who you ask of course.

then why was the eastern bloc an ecological horror show prior to the fall of communism?

Because, the Soviet Union and its puppet states (including the current remaining states it propped up) weren't actually communist or even socialist. They didn't have the interests of their workers in mind.

Also, the fall of "communism" happened before there was a well established case for anthropogenic climate change.

[The House of Xavier]

I'm pretty content.

[Zunkwentania]

On the contrary, leftist, "green" organizations have done so via their opposition to nuclear power.

Which is silly, as nuclear power is the best non fossil fuel energy resource we have.

Anyways, I'm glad there is a protest in favor of greater environmental protection, but I hardly see how it has anything to do with capitalism. Caring for the environment isn't necessarily a "left vs right issue."

Exactly. Let's put aside politics for one second and work on solving, not denying, these problems.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

I thought the ozone was beginning to recover?

[The Scientific States]

I thought the ozone was beginning to recover?

Hardly. And, that doesn't mean that climate change is "over." We need to take even more action to combat the real threat that climate change poses to all of us. I'm glad that the ozone layer has recovered marginally, but it's not enough.

[Soselo]

On the contrary, leftist, "green" organizations have done so via their opposition to nuclear power.

Yeah; some greens can be a bit ignorant when it comes to science. But the oil barons help even less.

Andrew Carnegie is dead, more equivalents have risen in his place.