1 in 4 Americans open to secession

[Torsiedelle]

Now, I'm no genius of politics and state stuff...

But c'mon, a Republic of Georgia would be cool. Yea, Georgia...

[Threlizdun]

Virginian secessionists tend to be racist crypto-fascists and Neo-Confederates, so I'll pass on that. I'd love to see an independent Cascadia or Second Vermont Republic however.

[Upper America]

No way I want Florida to become independent. But if I had to choose between Florida and Texas, I'd choose florida. God help us if Texas gets independence.

Besides, last I checked, states aren't allowed to leave the union.

Yes they are.
It just requires multiple loops and 2/3rds congressional support.

Or more guns, tanks and balls than the US military.

The former is probably the only one with any possibility of occurring.

It probably won't occur. There's no way the US government'll let a state go. Besides, the majority of states would probably fall into economic catastrophe if they secede. Not to mention most states would be enclaves if they secede.

[Greed and Death]

I generally view myself as a citizen of my state first, national government second.
In sum the United States are great, but not as great as Texas.

[Pandeeria]

Perhaps we can finally began the process of liqudating the states, it would rid possibilities like secession due to state pride or some shit.

[Greed and Death]

No way I want Florida to become independent. But if I had to choose between Florida and Texas, I'd choose florida. God help us if Texas gets independence.

Besides, last I checked, states aren't allowed to leave the union.

Yes they are.
It just requires multiple loops and 2/3rds congressional support.

Or more guns, tanks and balls than the US military.

The former is probably the only one with any possibility of occurring.

Not certain. The supreme court has said a state are not allowed to leave the union except with the permission of the states but did not specifcfy the exact method of obtaining said permission.

An act of congress, and presidential signature, or possibly a treaty with senate ratification should be sufficient to send the supreme court to political question mode. Another issue is standing, how would an individual have standing to sue because of secession?

[Pandeeria]

Now, I'm no genius of politics and state stuff...

But c'mon, a Republic of Georgia would be cool. Yea, Georgia...

It would be awful. Any state that tries to break away should be forcibly kept in the Union.

[Czechanada]

Now, I'm no genius of politics and state stuff...

But c'mon, a Republic of Georgia would be cool. Yea, Georgia...

Yes, the national anthem should be: "The Devil Went Down to Georgia."

[Meryuma]

I'm very pro-Cascaian independence and it kinda annoys me how the article quoted in the OP seems to equate secessionism and opposition to Obama with the right.

Cascadia right now pl0x.

What no Republic of Franklin or Jefferson?

Franklin and Jefferson had nothing to do with Cascadia.

[District XIV]

Cascadia right now pl0x.

[AiliailiA]

No, most states are truly too weak to become countries. If a state that gives less money than it get's back, such as Mississippi, the state/ new country would be bankrupt instantly. But, some states, such as Texas, California, Florida, and Illinois give more money to Washington then they give back. This means that these states are more self dependent. I would support independence movements for California, Texas, Alaska, and maybe even Florida, but I don't live there and I do not want my state to leave the Union as a Whole.

California and Texas yes, though only just. Alaska and Florida get more Federal spending than they pay in tax. Source.

Simply not paying Social Security would mostly fix it. I think we can rule out that the Federal government will continue paying individuals who aren't US citizens any more ...

[Greed and Death]

No, most states are truly too weak to become countries. If a state that gives less money than it get's back, such as Mississippi, the state/ new country would be bankrupt instantly. But, some states, such as Texas, California, Florida, and Illinois give more money to Washington then they give back. This means that these states are more self dependent. I would support independence movements for California, Texas, Alaska, and maybe even Florida, but I don't live there and I do not want my state to leave the Union as a Whole.

California and Texas yes, though only just. Alaska and Florida get more Federal spending than they pay in tax. Source.

Simply not paying Social Security would mostly fix it. I think we can rule out that the Federal government will continue paying individuals who aren't US citizens any more ...

Thought Florida is likely due to all the retirees moving there.

[Greater Weselton]

I would not support California's secession due to the fact that California is so liberal. They may even have a red flag with a hammer and sickle if they were independent.

[District XIV]

They may even have a red flag with a hammer and sickle if they were independent.

And that's when your argument is no longer taken seriously.

[Sardian republic]

I would support the secession if it comes up as long as it doesn't lead to any negative things I mean look what happened the first time the states tried seceding but that's unlikely of happening ever again.

[Threlizdun]

I would not support California's secession due to the fact that California is so liberal. They may even have a red flag with a hammer and sickle if they were independent.

Those statements are contradictory.

[Washington Resistance Army]

They may even have a red flag with a hammer and sickle if they were independent.

And that's when your argument is no longer taken seriously.

It's RSSS, did anyone ever take him seriously?

[Greater Weselton]

I would not support California's secession due to the fact that California is so liberal. They may even have a red flag with a hammer and sickle if they were independent.

Those statements are contradictory.

California might be very leftist if independent.

[District XIV]

And that's when your argument is no longer taken seriously.

It's RSSS, did anyone ever take him seriously?

No, but any hope of being taken seriously was crushed, burned, spit on, and the remains shot into space after he made the ending comment.

[United Marxist Nations]

Those statements are contradictory.

California might be very leftist if independent.

Leftist =/= liberal. As a leftist, I don't like it when people forget that.

[AiliailiA]

California and Texas yes, though only just. Alaska and Florida get more Federal spending than they pay in tax. Source.

Simply not paying Social Security would mostly fix it. I think we can rule out that the Federal government will continue paying individuals who aren't US citizens any more ...

Thought Florida is likely due to all the retirees moving there.

Yes. So ... deport them?

[ImperialistSalvia]

If there was no hope to save the Union, I'd be down for seceding. But there is hope, and I'm afraid of a NY Republic turning into more of a Nanny state than it already is.

Perhaps we can finally began the process of liqudating the states, it would rid possibilities like secession due to state pride or some shit.

Not gonna happen, thank God.

[Cyrisnia]

California might be very leftist if independent.

Leftist =/= liberal. As a leftist, I don't like it when people forget that.

^^This.

[Greed and Death]

Thought Florida is likely due to all the retirees moving there.

Yes. So ... deport them?

Social security should be viewed as a trust fund, and those should not be viewed as expenditures but retirees using their annuities to enjoy their retirement.

[Seleucas]

Yes, I would support secession. I find the US Federal government to be toxic, and it could probably do with its claws being clipped.

Why is it no one covers the secession activism which took place during Bush?

Frankly there was quite a lot of it which is not surprising.

I was pro-secession during Bush's presidency, actually. But it does strike me as curious that a lot of the pro-secession crowd were willing to put up with things like NSA spying, etc., during Bush's term.