We do. Hence why California would either be screwed, very dependent on the States, or charge very high taxes/utility bills for desalination if we seceded in the current situation.
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by Cata Larga » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:26 pm
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by Dooom35796821595 » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:26 pm
Occupied Deutschland wrote:There really should be a larger support for the idea among Americans. Schools don't seem to be doing their job very well in the history department.
I see no problem with secession. Were Montana to secede it'd be nice to finally be able to kill more of the damned wolves and go back to actually logging and being productive. Of course, I doubt El Federales would be too enamored with the idea. Thankfully there's enough space the bombs probably wouldn't hit me.
by The House of Xavier » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:27 pm
by Arlenton » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:27 pm
Benuty wrote:Why is it no one covers the secession activism which took place during Bush?
Frankly there was quite a lot of it which is not surprising.
by Benuty » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:28 pm
Mesrane wrote:The House of Xavier wrote:
It failed because it was run by nobody. Literally just a bunch of people went to state and city parks, protested for various, numerous, often unrelated reasons with the hopes that if we defeat this obscure, vague "1%" the "99%" of us would be better off. It was completely and totally idiotic.
This. Full of stoned loonies, OWS was.
If the situation in Washington steadily gets worse (I'm talking over a period of years here) to the point where we are having fistfights in Congress or something to that effect, then secession may come up as an issue in a lot of states. As things stand, secession is stupid. That can definitely change though.
by The House of Xavier » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:28 pm
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by Occupied Deutschland » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:29 pm
Dooom35796821595 wrote:Occupied Deutschland wrote:There really should be a larger support for the idea among Americans. Schools don't seem to be doing their job very well in the history department.
I see no problem with secession. Were Montana to secede it'd be nice to finally be able to kill more of the damned wolves and go back to actually logging and being productive. Of course, I doubt El Federales would be too enamored with the idea. Thankfully there's enough space the bombs probably wouldn't hit me.
Hey! Wolves are awesome, you shouldn't want them killed of. Don't repeat the mistakes of the past.
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by The House of Xavier » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:30 pm
Benuty wrote:Mesrane wrote:This. Full of stoned loonies, OWS was.
If the situation in Washington steadily gets worse (I'm talking over a period of years here) to the point where we are having fistfights in Congress or something to that effect, then secession may come up as an issue in a lot of states. As things stand, secession is stupid. That can definitely change though.
The last time we had fistfights in congress (or in their case canings, and public beatdowns) was in the mid 19th century lol.
by Cata Larga » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:30 pm
The House of Xavier wrote:Cata Larga wrote:With the deadlock and disconnection in Washington, and the mediocre politics over there at best? I honestly don't see them as fit to govern, especially when the state government in California regularly engages in bipartisan discourse, passes laws that help the state regularly, and, for the first time in a long while, is generating a budget surplus.
However, as said, there's no water here for the moment and even with the surplus the debt's still up there, so I think it unwise unless the situation changes.
Though your state's ability to function is exactly my point on why our system works. It's not like in some countries where some states have no legislature and some do. This constant struggle between state and federal, the ability of the state to act when the federal government cant or won't or vice versa is the system working. Not ideally. Ideally, everything would work. But I'd say our federal republic is functioning relatively well.
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by Occupied Deutschland » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:31 pm
by The House of Xavier » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:31 pm
by The House of Xavier » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:31 pm
by The House of Xavier » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:33 pm
Cata Larga wrote:The House of Xavier wrote:
Though your state's ability to function is exactly my point on why our system works. It's not like in some countries where some states have no legislature and some do. This constant struggle between state and federal, the ability of the state to act when the federal government cant or won't or vice versa is the system working. Not ideally. Ideally, everything would work. But I'd say our federal republic is functioning relatively well.
Maybe, but the fact the federal government is still involved, and the state government still nominally has to abide by Washington, impedes progress. The Californian government could probably do more without Washington.
...again, with the whole "no water and high debt" caveat and so on.
by Upper America » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:34 pm
by Benuty » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:35 pm
Upper America wrote:No way I want Florida to become independent. But if I had to choose between Florida and Texas, I'd choose florida. God help us if Texas gets independence.
Besides, last I checked, states aren't allowed to leave the union.
by Occupied Deutschland » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:36 pm
Upper America wrote:No way I want Florida to become independent. But if I had to choose between Florida and Texas, I'd choose florida. God help us if Texas gets independence.
Besides, last I checked, states aren't allowed to leave the union.
by The Orson Empire » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:36 pm
Occupied Deutschland wrote:Upper America wrote:No way I want Florida to become independent. But if I had to choose between Florida and Texas, I'd choose florida. God help us if Texas gets independence.
Besides, last I checked, states aren't allowed to leave the union.
Yes they are.
It just requires multiple loops and 2/3rds congressional support.
Or more guns, tanks and balls than the US military.
The former is probably the only one with any possibility of occurring.
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by Geilinor » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:39 pm
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The urge to sever ties with Washington cuts across party lines and regions, though Republicans and residents of rural Western states are generally warmer to the idea than Democrats and Northeasterners, according to the poll.
Anger with President Barack Obama's handling of issues ranging from healthcare reform to the rise of Islamic State militants drives some of the feeling, with Republican respondents citing dissatisfaction with his administration as coloring their thinking.
by Cata Larga » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:40 pm
The House of Xavier wrote:Cata Larga wrote:Maybe, but the fact the federal government is still involved, and the state government still nominally has to abide by Washington, impedes progress. The Californian government could probably do more without Washington.
...again, with the whole "no water and high debt" caveat and so on.
Until defense became an issue. All I'm saying is yes, it's a messy situation. But I think because it's so messy, is why it has worked so well. The federal government is supreme, but the states have a great deal of freedom to do what they wish to do.
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by The Grey Wolf » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:41 pm
Czechanada wrote:Conkerials wrote:Considering I live in California, I might. Though unless a real reason arises and gives me a reason to support secession, I so no reason why I would.
Also, California's economy is huuuuge and we could easily support ourselves. Except for this whole drought thing
You already have the cultural precedent of the New California Republic.
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