1 in 4 Americans open to secession

[Washington Resistance Army]

Cascadia right now pl0x.

What no Republic of Franklin or Jefferson?

Nope, those just don't sound as cool.

[Bolrieg]

Here's one reason why a US state shouldn't secede, if they tried one of the most powerful armies in the world and most funded will just march down and give kick not just the shit but all bodily fluids out of them.

[The House of Xavier]

Cascadia right now pl0x.

No, just no.

[Cata Larga]

Cascadia right now pl0x.

What no Republic of Franklin or Jefferson?

I don't think a patch of oil-deprived, lowly-populated desert would be successful as an independent country.

It's idiotic. I get frustrated with DC as much as they next guy, but to separate from the country entirely is just dumb. Our system works because the states have a great deal of latitude to govern themselves, to handle issues and address problems unique to them.

That would imply the system works.

[Gun Manufacturers]

If the northeastern states decided to secede, I'd be out of there quick, fast, and in a hurry. I'm not going to stand in front of the speeding freight train known as the US Military. Besides, the weather here in CT sucks.

[The House of Xavier]

It's idiotic. I get frustrated with DC as much as they next guy, but to separate from the country entirely is just dumb. Our system works because the states have a great deal of latitude to govern themselves, to handle issues and address problems unique to them.

That would imply the system works.

Like anything, there are some successes and some failures. But overall I think it's working relatively well.

[United Marxist Nations]

If the Feds privatize the TVA (which Obama may play to), then I would support some kind of resistance, maybe not secession, but some form of defiance.

[Benuty]

What no Republic of Franklin or Jefferson?

Nope, those just don't sound as cool.

They should given Franklin was a real thing at one time.

[The House of Xavier]

If the Feds privatize the TVA (which Obama may play to), then I would support some kind of resistance, maybe not secession, but some form of defiance.

You should protest. Because it worked so well for OWS.

[The House of Xavier]

Nope, those just don't sound as cool.

They should given Franklin was a real thing at one time.

If anything we should be called Columbia.

[Benuty]

If the Feds privatize the TVA (which Obama may play to), then I would support some kind of resistance, maybe not secession, but some form of defiance.

You should protest. Because it worked so well for OWS.

The Occupy Wall Street movement didn't work because it failed to politicize the momentum to grab seats for the democratic party like the TEA movement did for the Republicans. You can only do so much camping outside on public land.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Nope, those just don't sound as cool.

They should given Franklin was a real thing at one time.

Just because it was a real thing at one point doesn't mean it was cool

[Occupied Deutschland]

There really should be a larger support for the idea among Americans. Schools don't seem to be doing their job very well in the history department.

I see no problem with secession. Were Montana to secede it'd be nice to finally be able to kill more of the damned wolves and go back to actually logging and being productive. Of course, I doubt El Federales would be too enamored with the idea. Thankfully there's enough space the bombs probably wouldn't hit me.

[Cata Larga]

That would imply the system works.

Like anything, there are some successes and some failures. But overall I think it's working relatively well.

With the deadlock and disconnection in Washington, and the mediocre politics over there at best? I honestly don't see them as fit to govern, especially when the state government in California regularly engages in bipartisan discourse, passes laws that help the state regularly, and, for the first time in a long while, is generating a budget surplus.

However, as said, there's no water here for the moment and even with the surplus the debt's still up there, so I think it unwise unless the situation changes.

[The Republic of Merrimont]

As a Californian if we leave the union which we won't. The US is fucked there goes your agriculture

[Mesrane]

You should protest. Because it worked so well for OWS.

The Occupy Wall Street movement didn't work because it failed to politicize the momentum to grab seats for the democratic party like the TEA movement did for the Republicans. You can only do so much camping outside on public land.

It also didn't work because most people that were part of OWS were and probably still are stoned loonies.

[Benuty]

As a Californian if we leave the union which we won't. The US is fucked there goes your agriculture

Please the US can survive without California which up until the 1840s it was quite able to do so.

[United Marxist Nations]

As a Californian if we leave the union which we won't. The US is fucked there goes your agriculture

Bro, have you even seen the Midwest?

Also, good luck without Nevada water.

[New Granadeseret]

No just... no. Remember that just being open to secession isen't saying they want anybody to secede: just that they'd be willing to consider the matter if the majority of the people in the state wanted it. Since it isen't even remotely close in any state, this is a non-issue. Beside, what reason would a state have for wanting to leave? They get equitable representation in the national government, most get a net fiscal benefit, the US weakening would be terrible for global stability (You have to admit the threat of the US bringing out the big guns has stopped more major wars, at least, or at least allowed the European nations to have relatively weak militaries vs. Russia and China to help allow their social democracies and generally helped keep the whole Liberal Democracy system from being out-gunned by it's ideological opponents), trade and borders would be a nighmare, wars could easily break out, your economy would likely take a blow as the US dollar collapses and your new currency isen't as powerful, and things would become worse for a state's cultural/political minorities (since they don't have the balancing force of a national government, where the size of the population is large enough no one particular stance can easily gain a majority). Secession should only really be majorly considered if you lose your voice in the Federal system, and since represenatives elected by the State's individually are the only ones with the power to do that, and the states aren't going to shot themselves in the foot, I don't see this happening sans military coup.

El Pluribus Unum!

[The House of Xavier]

You should protest. Because it worked so well for OWS.

The Occupy Wall Street movement didn't work because it failed to politicize the momentum to grab seats for the democratic party like the TEA movement did for the Republicans. You can only do so much camping outside on public land.

It failed because it was run by nobody. Literally just a bunch of people went to state and city parks, protested for various, numerous, often unrelated reasons with the hopes that if we defeat this obscure, vague "1%" the "99%" of us would be better off. It was completely and totally idiotic.

[United Marxist Nations]

If the Feds privatize the TVA (which Obama may play to), then I would support some kind of resistance, maybe not secession, but some form of defiance.

You should protest. Because it worked so well for OWS.

I would support most kinds of resistance in that event. TVA needs to stay public, so that we can have cheap energy.

[Gun Manufacturers]

As a Californian if we leave the union which we won't. The US is fucked there goes your agriculture

Don't you guys import a lot of water from other states, for your agriculture?

[Mesrane]

The Occupy Wall Street movement didn't work because it failed to politicize the momentum to grab seats for the democratic party like the TEA movement did for the Republicans. You can only do so much camping outside on public land.

It failed because it was run by nobody. Literally just a bunch of people went to state and city parks, protested for various, numerous, often unrelated reasons with the hopes that if we defeat this obscure, vague "1%" the "99%" of us would be better off. It was completely and totally idiotic.

This. Full of stoned loonies, OWS was.

If the situation in Washington steadily gets worse (I'm talking over a period of years here) to the point where we are having fistfights in Congress or something to that effect, then secession may come up as an issue in a lot of states. As things stand, secession is stupid. That can definitely change though.

[The House of Xavier]

Like anything, there are some successes and some failures. But overall I think it's working relatively well.

With the deadlock and disconnection in Washington, and the mediocre politics over there at best? I honestly don't see them as fit to govern, especially when the state government in California regularly engages in bipartisan discourse, passes laws that help the state regularly, and, for the first time in a long while, is generating a budget surplus.

However, as said, there's no water here for the moment and even with the surplus the debt's still up there, so I think it unwise unless the situation changes.

Though your state's ability to function is exactly my point on why our system works. It's not like in some countries where some states have no legislature and some do. This constant struggle between state and federal, the ability of the state to act when the federal government cant or won't or vice versa is the system working. Not ideally. Ideally, everything would work. But I'd say our federal republic is functioning relatively well.

[The Orson Empire]

No, I wouldn't support secession. Seeing as the United States Military is the most powerful military on the planet, it would be suicide to try to revolt. Any revolt would be quickly crushed.

Also, the last time the states tried to revolt, it didn't end well.

Secession isn't, necessarily, revolt, Orson.

While some nations may allow secession, this is not the case in the United States, due to the American Civil War. The only way to achieve secession would be to revolt and somehow beat the United States Military in combat.