1 in 4 Americans open to secession

[Pandeeria]

Perhaps we can finally began the process of liqudating the states, it would rid possibilities like secession due to state pride or some shit.

Not gonna happen, thank God.

It's quite a shame that it isn't happening.

[New haven america]

Viva Cascadia! \o/

[District XIV]

Viva Cascadia! \o/

Indeed, good sir, indeed.

[United Kingdom of Poland]

If there was no hope to save the Union, I'd be down for seceding. But there is hope, and I'm afraid of a NY Republic turning into more of a Nanny state than it already is.

Perhaps we can finally began the process of liqudating the states, it would rid possibilities like secession due to state pride or some shit.

Not gonna happen, thank God.

no then everything north of white plains would succeeded from NYC. only NYC is really liberal.

[Ethel mermania]

Why is it no one covers the secession activism which took place during Bush?

Frankly there was quite a lot of it which is not surprising.

i dont remember any of it, but i dont see a lot of it now either.

[Wanderjar]

Considering I live in California, I might. Though unless a real reason arises and gives me a reason to support secession, I so no reason why I would.

Also, California's economy is huuuuge and we could easily support ourselves. Except for this whole drought thing

...and the whole 'unsustainable massive social welfare debt' thing too.

[Aeken]

A RL NCR would be pretty cool.

[ImperialistSalvia]

Not gonna happen, thank God.

It's quite a shame that it isn't happening.

No, no, it's a good thing. Understanding the Constitution and Demographics of the United States is generally a positive thing. Also, dissolving the States would lead directly to a Civil War.

[Pandeeria]

It's quite a shame that it isn't happening.

No, no, it's a good thing. Understanding the Constitution and Demographics of the United States is generally a positive thing. Also, dissolving the States would lead directly to a Civil War.

Not if done over the course of a long time, or you can still just keep their names but remove their rights.

[UBS]

i have been holding meetings with many people trying to get them to support seccesion,so far i have been rather successful

[Greater Weselton]

Yes, I would support secession. I find the US Federal government to be toxic, and it could probably do with its claws being clipped.

Why is it no one covers the secession activism which took place during Bush?

Frankly there was quite a lot of it which is not surprising.

I was pro-secession during Bush's presidency, actually. But it does strike me as curious that a lot of the pro-secession crowd were willing to put up with things like NSA spying, etc., during Bush's term.

Did you want to see a Soviet style state formed from the secession?

[Greater Istanistan]

I'm a Canadian, so there's a slightly different context. That being said, seeing as Ontario contributes more to province equalization payments than it gives back, I'd say that so long as free trade with the rest of the nation continues a "yes" would make sense.

Oh, and we wouldn't have an Albertan elected by a solid base of Albertans as a Prime Minister, which would be good.

[Apparatchikstan]

No, no, it's a good thing. Understanding the Constitution and Demographics of the United States is generally a positive thing. Also, dissolving the States would lead directly to a Civil War.

Not if done over the course of a long time, or you can dtill just keep their names but remove their rights.

And then when the Death Star is complete, Congress can be disbanded, and imperial governors can be appointed to directly control the local systems. I applaud your progressiveness.

[Pandeeria]

Not if done over the course of a long time, or you can dtill just keep their names but remove their rights.

And then when the Death Star is complete, Congress can be disbanded, and imperial governors can be appointed to directly control the local systems. I applaud your progressiveness.

Why are you being very silly on this serious issue?

[Seleucas]

Yes, I would support secession. I find the US Federal government to be toxic, and it could probably do with its claws being clipped.



I was pro-secession during Bush's presidency, actually. But it does strike me as curious that a lot of the pro-secession crowd were willing to put up with things like NSA spying, etc., during Bush's term.

Did you want to see a Soviet style state formed from the secession?

I'm about the last person to want a Soviet-style anything. I just see a lot of the same policies I didn't like under Bush still being perpetuated, even if there are some differences.

[Aglrinia]

As a Californian if we leave the union which we won't. The US is fucked there goes your agriculture

Have you been to upstate New York? It's all wineries and farms.

While last time I checked water needs to come out of your hose in order for you to be able to maintain agriculture.

US Agriculuture

[The Liberated Territories]

Secession is equivalent to splitting up one bad idea into many bad ideas.

[Benuty]

Secession is equivalent to splitting up one bad idea into many bad ideas.

So no secession movement in the entirety of history has ever been a good idea?

[Apparatchikstan]

And then when the Death Star is complete, Congress can be disbanded, and imperial governors can be appointed to directly control the local systems. I applaud your progressiveness.

Why are you being very silly on this serious issue?

My analogy is serious, despite it's content.

[New Granadeseret]

Why are you being very silly on this serious issue?

My analogy is serious, despite it's content.

... the way the Senate and the House are organized means people will be electing these "Imperial governors" anyways. Unless the situation arises where the President is given doctoral power and elections suspended, Congress will still be made up of people representing to the views of different states/areas of states. Not saying it's a good idea (purely unitary model woulden't work in a republic this large: so much micromanagement would be required that Congress would need to be superhuman to keep up), but it's far from a military dictatorship: it's just 'streamlining', for lack of a better word,the existing system (albet too narrow to get all nessicery business through)

[Pandeeria]

Why are you being very silly on this serious issue?

My analogy is serious, despite it's content.

Your analogy was a poor one that made no sense.

[Republic of Coldwater]

I would be in favor if we go further down the drain. If our economy continues to remain unstable, if our dollar will keep on having a deteriorating value, if we continue to have debts that exceed what we produce annually, I would be in favor of a secession, as this would be extremely detrimental to my state and other states if they remain in the Union. If this is to happen, please, please don't make this another Civil War.

[Burleson]

I would not support California's secession due to the fact that California is so liberal. They may even have a red flag with a hammer and sickle if they were independent.

That would actually be good for America, that way California's stupidity can be contained and kept separate from America and Nancy Pelosi wouldn't be in congress anymore.

[Pandeeria]

I would not support California's secession due to the fact that California is so liberal. They may even have a red flag with a hammer and sickle if they were independent.

That would actually be good for them, that way their stupidity can be contained and kept separate from America and Nancy Pelosi wouldn't be in congress anymore.

You should make a new thread about "Califronia's Stupidity", I'm sure everyone would just love it.

I'd join.

[Perine]

My grandfather had a great idea to solve the problem of our cape not getting enough money during the winter, and it was basicly this;
*Declare a sucession from the union
*Destroy the Sagamore and Bourne to signify our defiance to the state
*Set up our main defences at the Canal beaches
*defend it for some time
*be defeated and pushed back into the union
*Get welfare
*Use welfare to turn the destroyed bridges and defences as a war museum
*profit

Well if you are a good leader you would see many, many flaws in this idea. To be faire he came up with the idea during the 60's, and only recently he told me it.