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Would you support your states secession?

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Postby Qubec » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:48 pm

BOSTON (Reuters) - The failed Scottish vote to pull out from the United Kingdom stirred secessionist hopes for some in the United States, where almost a quarter of people are open to their states leaving the union, a new Reuters/Ipsos poll found.

Some 23.9 percent of Americans polled from Aug. 23 through Sept. 16 said they strongly supported or tended to support the idea of their state breaking away, while 53.3 percent of the 8,952 respondents strongly opposed or tended to oppose the notion.

The urge to sever ties with Washington cuts across party lines and regions, though Republicans and residents of rural Western states are generally warmer to the idea than Democrats and Northeasterners, according to the poll.

Anger with President Barack Obama's handling of issues ranging from healthcare reform to the rise of Islamic State militants drives some of the feeling, with Republican respondents citing dissatisfaction with his administration as coloring their thinking.

But others said long-running Washington gridlock had prompted them to wonder if their states would be better off striking out on their own, a move no U.S. state has tried in the 150 years since the bloody Civil War that led to the end of slavery in the South.

"I don't think it makes a whole lot of difference anymore which political party is running things. Nothing gets done," said Roy Gustafson, 61, of Camden, South Carolina, who lives on disability payments. "The state would be better off handling things on its own."

Scottish unionists won by a wider-than-expected 10-percentage-point margin.

Falling public approval of the Obama administration, attention to the Scottish vote and the success of activists who accuse the U.S. government of overstepping its authority - such as the self-proclaimed militia members who flocked to Nevada's Bundy ranch earlier this year during a standoff over grazing rights - is driving up interest in secession, experts said.

"It seems to have heated up, especially since the election of President Obama," said Mordecai Lee, a professor of governmental affairs at the University of Wisconsin at Milwaukee, who has studied secessionist movements.

'OBAMACARE' A FACTOR

Republicans were more inclined to support the idea, with 29.7 percent favoring it compared with 21 percent of Democrats.

Brittany Royal, a 31-year-old nurse from Wilkesboro, North Carolina, said anger over the "Obamacare" healthcare reform law made her wonder if her state would be better off on its own.

"That has really hurt a lot of people here, myself included. My insurance went from $40 a week for a family of four up to over $600 a month for a family of four," said Royal, a Republican. "The North Carolina government itself is sustainable. Governor (Pat) McCrory, I think he has a better healthcare plan than President Obama."

By region, the idea was least popular in New England, the cradle of the Revolutionary War, with just 17.4 percent of respondents open to pulling their state out.

It was most popular in the Southwest, where 34.1 percent of respondents back the idea.

That region includes Texas, where an activist group is calling the state's legislature to put the secession question on a statewide ballot. One Texan respondent said he was confident his state could get by without the rest of the country.

"Texas has everything we need. We have the manufacturing, we have the oil, and we don't need them," said Mark Denny, a 59-year-old retiree living outside Dallas on disability payments.

Denny, a Republican, had cheered on the Scottish independence movement.

"I have totally, completely lost faith in the federal government, the people running it, whether Republican, Democrat, independent, whatever," he said.

Even in Texas, some respondents said talk about breaking away was more of a sign of their anger with Washington than evidence of a real desire to go it alone. Democrat Lila Guzman, of Round Rock, said the threat could persuade Washington lawmakers and the White House to listen more closely to average people's concerns.

"When I say secede, I'm not like (former National Rifle Association president) Charlton Heston with my gun up in the air, 'my cold dead hands.' It's more like – we could do it if we had to," said Guzman, 62. "But the first option is, golly, get it back on the right track. Not all is lost. But there might come a point that we say, 'Hey, y'all, we're dusting our hands and we're moving on.'"

(Reporting by Scott Malone; Additional reporting by Mimi Dwyer in New York; Editing by Douglas Royalty)


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Would you support your states secession? Why or why not?
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Postby Benuty » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:51 pm

Why is it no one covers the secession activism which took place during Bush?

Frankly there was quite a lot of it which is not surprising.
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Postby Conkerials » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:54 pm

Considering I live in California, I might. Though unless a real reason arises and gives me a reason to support secession, I so no reason why I would.

Also, California's economy is huuuuge and we could easily support ourselves. Except for this whole drought thing :?
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Postby Benuty » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:55 pm

Conkerials wrote:Considering I live in California, I might. Though unless a real reason arises and gives me a reason to support secession, I so no reason why I would.

Also, California's economy is huuuuge and we could easily support ourselves. Except for this whole drought thing :?

California really screwed themselves over with not acting soon enough on the issue of the drought.
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Postby Indian Empire » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:55 pm

No, most states are truly too weak to become countries. If a state that gives less money than it get's back, such as Mississippi, the state/ new country would be bankrupt instantly. But, some states, such as Texas, California, Florida, and Illinois give more money to Washington then they give back. This means that these states are more self dependent. I would support independence movements for California, Texas, Alaska, and maybe even Florida, but I don't live there and I do not want my state to leave the Union as a Whole.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:56 pm

Qubec wrote:[box]-snip-
Would you support your states secession? Why or why not?

No.

1) Last time it tried, didn't go so well.
2) Landlocked.
3) Dat interstates.
4) No point in doing so.

EDIT: The only point I could see in seceding would be that we don't have to export our sweet hydroelectric power, or let the Feds possibly privatize the TVA (if they do that, there will be rioting in the streets).
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Postby Conkerials » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:56 pm

Benuty wrote:
Conkerials wrote:Considering I live in California, I might. Though unless a real reason arises and gives me a reason to support secession, I so no reason why I would.

Also, California's economy is huuuuge and we could easily support ourselves. Except for this whole drought thing :?

California really screwed themselves over with not acting soon enough on the issue of the drought.

I completely agree.
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Postby Benuty » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:57 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Qubec wrote:[box]-snip-
Would you support your states secession? Why or why not?

No.

1) Last time it tried, didn't go so well.
2) Landlocked.
3) Dat interstates.
4) No point in doing so.

It didn't go so well for the nation that formed as a union months after various republics were declared. For those republics it went well for several months till they decided to form a counter-union, and inadvertently sign their death warrant at Sumter.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:59 pm

Benuty wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:No.

1) Last time it tried, didn't go so well.
2) Landlocked.
3) Dat interstates.
4) No point in doing so.

It didn't go so well for the nation that formed as a union months after various republics were declared. For those republics it went well for several months till they decided to form a counter-union, and inadvertently sign their death warrant at Sumter.

It wouldn't have gone well though.
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Postby Czechanada » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:00 pm

Conkerials wrote:Considering I live in California, I might. Though unless a real reason arises and gives me a reason to support secession, I so no reason why I would.

Also, California's economy is huuuuge and we could easily support ourselves. Except for this whole drought thing :?


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Postby Benuty » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:01 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Benuty wrote:It didn't go so well for the nation that formed as a union months after various republics were declared. For those republics it went well for several months till they decided to form a counter-union, and inadvertently sign their death warrant at Sumter.

It wouldn't have gone well though.

Well I doubt it would have ended in such catastrophic heights as it did in OTL. Most likely once their economies started to plummet (as individual republics) they might have realized how stupid they were overreacting to a man who didn't give two shits about slaves until OTL mid 1863.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:01 pm

Conkerials wrote:Considering I live in California, I might. Though unless a real reason arises and gives me a reason to support secession, I so no reason why I would.

Also, California's economy is huuuuge and we could easily support ourselves. Except for this whole drought thing :?

Yeah, that whole "dependent on Nevada for a large part of our water" wouldn't bode well for Californian Independence.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:02 pm

No, I wouldn't support secession. Seeing as the United States Military is the most powerful military on the planet, it would be suicide to try to revolt. Any revolt would be quickly crushed.

Also, the last time the states tried to revolt, it didn't end well.

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Postby Benuty » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:02 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Conkerials wrote:Considering I live in California, I might. Though unless a real reason arises and gives me a reason to support secession, I so no reason why I would.

Also, California's economy is huuuuge and we could easily support ourselves. Except for this whole drought thing :?

Yeah, that whole "dependent on Nevada for a large part of our water" wouldn't bode well for Californian Independence.

Well there is always Deseret :P.
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Benuty wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:It wouldn't have gone well though.

Well I doubt it would have ended in such catastrophic heights as it did in OTL. Most likely once their economies started to plummet (as individual republics) they might have realized how stupid they were overreacting to a man who didn't give two shits about slaves until OTL mid 1863.

They still would have had to fight the Union for independence, ant that wasn't going to be a winning fight.
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Postby Cata Larga » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:05 pm

If it could be done peacefully and California suddenly started generating water, I'd be inclined to support a referendum.
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Postby Benuty » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:06 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Benuty wrote:Well I doubt it would have ended in such catastrophic heights as it did in OTL. Most likely once their economies started to plummet (as individual republics) they might have realized how stupid they were overreacting to a man who didn't give two shits about slaves until OTL mid 1863.

They still would have had to fight the Union for independence, ant that wasn't going to be a winning fight.

I didn't say anything about winning whatsoever.

On the topic of war just who exactly would start it since fighting didn't begin under Buchanan (who naturally didn't care being an apathetic troll as he was)?
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You cannot really compare Scotland which is its own culture inside of the UK. with the US. Generally, the US generally was settled, with some exceptions, from people moving West from the Eastern coastal states. So generally, the same culture with regional differences. However, this does not include the US overseas territories which are culturally different.
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Postby Distruzionopolis » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:09 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:No, I wouldn't support secession. Seeing as the United States Military is the most powerful military on the planet, it would be suicide to try to revolt. Any revolt would be quickly crushed.

Also, the last time the states tried to revolt, it didn't end well.


Secession isn't, necessarily, revolt, Orson.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:09 pm

Benuty wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:They still would have had to fight the Union for independence, ant that wasn't going to be a winning fight.

I didn't say anything about winning whatsoever.

On the topic of war just who exactly would start it since fighting didn't begin under Buchanan (who naturally didn't care being an apathetic troll as he was)?

I would assume a dispute would be inevitable between a self-declared country and a country that legally owns said self-declared country. Especially since TN has quite a few trade cities on the rivers.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:10 pm

Cascadia right now pl0x.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:11 pm

Distruzionopolis wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:No, I wouldn't support secession. Seeing as the United States Military is the most powerful military on the planet, it would be suicide to try to revolt. Any revolt would be quickly crushed.

Also, the last time the states tried to revolt, it didn't end well.


Secession isn't, necessarily, revolt, Orson.


But it is revolting. :p

It also requires support from the national legislature, which considering the US congress is unlikely.
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Postby Calisu » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:11 pm

I for one would welcome an America secession, let the US break into small countries and let Canada and Mexico pick which ones they want.

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Postby Benuty » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:11 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Cascadia right now pl0x.

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Postby The House of Xavier » Fri Sep 19, 2014 3:11 pm

It's idiotic. I get frustrated with DC as much as they next guy, but to separate from the country entirely is just dumb. Our system works because the states have a great deal of latitude to govern themselves, to handle issues and address problems unique to them.

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