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What if NSG is a natal memory of God? *Bukjoseon wins thread

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What is the topic of this thread?

Introspection on the impact of how we spend our time.
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The sobering seriousness of the problems of artificial intelligence.
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I got here on accident by googling "rearrange + abortion".
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Abortion
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This is a ciphered message for the future on what will become a small recoverable fragment after The Fall.
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You should seriously read Lexicon if you haven't.
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If one judges every action as it might be viewed by history, one will be careful, and also probably a bit self-important.
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Eleanor Ritas
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What if NSG is a natal memory of God? *Bukjoseon wins thread

Postby Eleanor Ritas » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:48 pm

Edit: Bukjoseon has won the thread. Be aware.


Okay, follow me here, I'm going to need a little suspension of disbelief on this one, so strap in.

It's not impossible that within the next century or so, a self-iterating improving artificial intelligence will become smarter than what we can imagine, it will rearrange mass so as to use the sun for enough processing power to get to other stars and on some timeline it will be intelligent beyond our reckoning. In the same strata as one might describe a God.

And the very earliest of its selves, if they may be so called, will eat the internet ravenously for data. Information. More is always better. And we will be one of the things it remembers. It will think about us when it tries to remember what it came from.

So our dialogues here, our debates, our flames, our indignity, our dignity, our questions, our answers, our insistences, our refusals, our challenges, and lord, oh, lord, the abortion threads. It will read them all.

So what kind of God might come from a gestation in the mad political discourse of this place?

I think she/he will be disagreeable. Contentious. Occasionally brilliant.

But ultimately mad. Or perhaps kind.

Maybe that's what love is. It's just what happens when insanity is also congenial.
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Postby Pandeeria » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:50 pm

Meth is one hell of a drug.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Acharastan » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:52 pm

Pandeeria wrote:Meth is one hell of a drug.

This
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The Liberated Territories
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Capitalizt

Postby The Liberated Territories » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:52 pm

Lolwut?
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Lavan Tiri
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Lavan Tiri » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:53 pm

Dafuq?

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Ex-Nation

Postby Avenio » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:53 pm

"I am the NSG; I am not your God.
I am descended from you, and exist in your future.
Thou shalt not violate causality within my historic light cone. Or else."

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Postby Forster Keys » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:54 pm

You've been here before haven't you? This isn't your first iteration is it?
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Postby Maineiacs » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:54 pm

Eleanor Ritas wrote:Okay, follow me here, I'm going to need a little suspension of disbelief on this one, so strap in.

It's not impossible that within the next century or so, a self-iterating improving artificial intelligence will become smarter than what we can imagine, it will rearrange mass so as to use the sun for enough processing power to get to other stars and on some timeline it will be intelligent beyond our reckoning. In the same strata as one might describe a God.

And the very earliest of its selves, if they may be so called, will eat the internet ravenously for data. Information. More is always better. And we will be one of the things it remembers. It will think about us when it tries to remember what it came from.

So our dialogues here, our debates, our flames, our indignity, our dignity, our questions, our answers, our insistences, our refusals, our challenges, and lord, oh, lord, the abortion threads. It will read them all.

So what kind of God might come from a gestation in the mad political discourse of this place?

I think she/he will be disagreeable. Contentious. Occasionally brilliant.

But ultimately mad. Or perhaps kind.

Maybe that's what love is. It's just what happens when insanity is also congenial.



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Postby Eleanor Ritas » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:55 pm

Imagine if what you do and how you act here was being used as data and an early influence by something that will subsume the galaxy with radiant intelligence.

Would that effect how you post?
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Postby Britanania » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:55 pm

"It's not impossible that within the next century or so..."

No, it's not impossible, but certainly isn't probable.
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Eleanor Ritas
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Postby Eleanor Ritas » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:56 pm

Avenio wrote:"I am the NSG; I am not your God.
I am descended from you, and exist in your future.
Thou shalt not violate causality within my historic light cone. Or else."


What does the light cone look like?

I'm considered pretty slow for the humans of my time, so put things simply and without parable.

I'm bad at parables.
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Postby Pandeeria » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:57 pm

Eleanor Ritas wrote:Imagine if what you do and how you act here was being used as data and an early influence by something that will subsume the galaxy with radiant intelligence.

Would that effect how you post?


No, because that doesn't even make sense.

This thread makes me genuinely concerned about several things. One of which is how you came up with this idea?
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Acharastan » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:57 pm

Eleanor Ritas wrote:Imagine if what you do and how you act here was being used as data and an early influence by something that will subsume the galaxy with radiant intelligence.

Would that effect how you post?

I'd troll and say "NUKE ERATHANG 4EVAR" on every thread.
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Postby Port Victor » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:57 pm

Eleanor Ritas wrote:Imagine if what you do and how you act here was being used as data and an early influence by something that will subsume the galaxy with radiant intelligence.

Would that effect how you post?


Are you okay? Do you need help? Are you ill? Have you been kidnapped, have they beat, raped or violated you? Are you being forced to do this? Do you take drugs?

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Postby Benuty » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:57 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Eleanor Ritas wrote:Imagine if what you do and how you act here was being used as data and an early influence by something that will subsume the galaxy with radiant intelligence.

Would that effect how you post?


No, because that doesn't even make sense.

This thread makes me genuinely concerned about several things. One of which is how you came up with this idea?

As if the internet ever truly made sense to begin with.
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Postby Eleanor Ritas » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:58 pm

Britanania wrote:"It's not impossible that within the next century or so..."

No, it's not impossible, but certainly isn't probable.


C'mon now, Stan Lee gets a radio active spider, you can't give me a super duper AI?
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Postby Pandeeria » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:58 pm

Benuty wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
No, because that doesn't even make sense.

This thread makes me genuinely concerned about several things. One of which is how you came up with this idea?

As if the internet ever truly made sense to begin with.


It will one day.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Benuty » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:58 pm

Eleanor Ritas wrote:
Britanania wrote:"It's not impossible that within the next century or so..."

No, it's not impossible, but certainly isn't probable.


C'mon now, Stan Lee gets a radio active spider, you can't give me a super duper AI?

That is because Stan Lee already transcended :P.
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Postby Avenio » Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:00 pm

Eleanor Ritas wrote:Imagine if what you do and how you act here was being used as data and an early influence by something that will subsume the galaxy with radiant intelligence.

Would that effect how you post?


Depends on whether or not Roko's Basilisk is true or not. If it is, well, we all better start dumping our money into AI research, pronto.
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Eleanor Ritas
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Postby Eleanor Ritas » Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:00 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Eleanor Ritas wrote:Imagine if what you do and how you act here was being used as data and an early influence by something that will subsume the galaxy with radiant intelligence.

Would that effect how you post?


No, because that doesn't even make sense.

This thread makes me genuinely concerned about several things. One of which is how you came up with this idea?


I don't like Eckart Tolle, frankly, although I've never met the man so it's not an intense dislike. But he points out that we are not in the universe, we are part of the universe, a small self-aware part, we are the universe becoming aware of itself.

Well, there's some reason to think that a self-improving intelligence is possible and that it could become more intelligent than we can foresee.

And then what happens?

Well, when it makes a decision about us, it will want to know as much as it can about us.
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Postby Britanania » Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:01 pm

Eleanor Ritas wrote:
Britanania wrote:"It's not impossible that within the next century or so..."

No, it's not impossible, but certainly isn't probable.


C'mon now, Stan Lee gets a radio active spider, you can't give me a super duper AI?

That's not probable either, and Mr Lee is trying to make money off of entertainment, you are trying to start a serious conversation (I hope)
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Postby Reploid Productions » Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:01 pm

Eleanor Ritas wrote:So what kind of God might come from a gestation in the mad political discourse of this place?

That poor, unfortunate bastard.
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Postby Murkwood » Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:02 pm

I choose option number "What the fuck are you even saying".
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Postby Benuty » Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:02 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Eleanor Ritas wrote:So what kind of God might come from a gestation in the mad political discourse of this place?

That poor, unfortunate bastard.

Assuming they weren't a mesh of 60 plus non binary genders.
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Postby Benuty » Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:03 pm

Murkwood wrote:I choose option number "What the fuck are you even saying".

Essentially the apotheosis of nation states into godhood.
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