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Do you agree with the IAU?

Yes
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No
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Postby Immoren » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:00 am

I bet there was as much bitching when Pluto was found.
And when Neptune was found
When Uranus was found
When Saturn was found
When Mars was found
When Venus was found
wWhen Mercury was found.
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Postby Verkuta » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:01 am

Pluto is a planet. That's what I was told. I was told by the best teachers in the world, Inexperienced American teachers, that moons revolve around planets and planets revolve around the sun and the sun just sits there. Apparently the powers that be said Pluto revolves around the sun, which I thought, "Well, technically doesn't everything?" Pluto is a planet.

If it wasn't, they should've studied a little more. Pluto is a planet! Rebel against the machine! Question what they tell you! Pluto is a planet! Rise up! Rise up and disagree with those who would lie to you!

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:03 am

WestRedMaple wrote:
Ifreann wrote:No, they're not.

Exactly, we invent names for things and thereafter that is what they are named, because things do not have names as a property of their existence. When the IAU makes a definition for what counts as a planet they are not saying that this should be their definition of a planet, as if the decision of how the IAU defines a planet is somehow separate from the IAU.


What the IAU defines as a planet is not an opinion. Whether one likes that definition or not is an opinion, but what their definition is is a fact.



So it seems you might still be confused. What the IAU decides to define as a planet is just that: the IAU definition of a planet. It isn't the only definition of a planet.

And I never said it was. What I said is that the IAU can't be wrong about what they consider to be a planet. And they can't, it's just tautological.
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Postby Immoren » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:04 am

Ifreann wrote:
WestRedMaple wrote:

So it seems you might still be confused. What the IAU decides to define as a planet is just that: the IAU definition of a planet. It isn't the only definition of a planet.

And I never said it was. What I said is that the IAU can't be wrong about what they consider to be a planet. And they can't, it's just tautological.


Tautological shmautologica.
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Postby Romano-Germanic Empire » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:05 am

Pluto's dead? Well that's sad. When's the funeral? :(
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:05 am

Immoren wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And I never said it was. What I said is that the IAU can't be wrong about what they consider to be a planet. And they can't, it's just tautological.


Tautological shmautologica.

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Postby WestRedMaple » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:06 am

Ifreann wrote:
WestRedMaple wrote:

So it seems you might still be confused. What the IAU decides to define as a planet is just that: the IAU definition of a planet. It isn't the only definition of a planet.

And I never said it was. What I said is that the IAU can't be wrong about what they consider to be a planet. And they can't, it's just tautological.



I never said they could be wrong about their opinion.

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Postby Immoren » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:07 am

Romano-Germanic Empire wrote:Pluto's dead? Well that's sad. When's the funeral? :(


35th OCT of 34+6i
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Postby Olivaero » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:07 am

Vladislavija wrote:When I was young, playing hide and seek with Socrates we knew there were only 7 planets (in order from their distance from Earth): Moon, Venus, Mercury, Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn. Then some kids decided there should be: Neptune, Uranus and Pluto as well. Well to Hades with you all. For me there are and always will be only seven planets, seven wanderers in night sky seen by naked eye.

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Postby Sumaltheria » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:07 am

I thought this was about Pluto from Disney!
Anyway, I think it's stupid! one second I'm leaning there are nine planets, then suddenly it changes to eight! what's wrong with Pluto?
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Postby Ulrenon » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:08 am

Haters gonna hate, Pluto eternal.

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:08 am

6th grade science class. Teacher told us the news and everyone freaked out.

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Postby Sdaeriji » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:08 am

WestRedMaple wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And I never said it was. What I said is that the IAU can't be wrong about what they consider to be a planet. And they can't, it's just tautological.



I never said they could be wrong about their opinion.


WestRedMaple wrote:
Ifreann wrote:How can they possibly be wrong about things they decide?


Well, since it is an opinion based issue, they would be considered wrong by anyone with a different opinion.
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Postby WestRedMaple » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:09 am

Immoren wrote:
Romano-Germanic Empire wrote:Pluto's dead? Well that's sad. When's the funeral? :(


35th OCT of 34+6i



Pssssh, not gonna fall for that. October doesn't have 35 days in leap years

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Postby WestRedMaple » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:10 am

Sdaeriji wrote:
WestRedMaple wrote:

I never said they could be wrong about their opinion.


WestRedMaple wrote:
Well, since it is an opinion based issue, they would be considered wrong by anyone with a different opinion.


Exactly. Thank you for proving my point.

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Postby Seraven » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:10 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:As we all know, Pluto is not a planet. The decades spent learning about the ninth planet was all a lie. My Very Energetic Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas was no longer a handy moniker for remembering the order of the planets.

The ISU decided that there were three classifications that needed to be met in order for something to be a planet. Pluto did not meet them all, so it was considered a dwarf planet. Some people say that dwarf planets are planets, but if all dwarf planets were considered planets then the solar system would have more than 50 planets.

In the end there was considerable outrage. But what do you think NSG? What was and is your personal opinion on the matter. Do you agree with their ruling? Will Pluto always remain a planet in your eyes?


Pluto, is, as the ISU said, not a planet.
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Postby Allector » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:12 am

I was probably in school.

Anyways, I grew up with the 9 planet system, so Pluto will always be a planet in my eyes. That being said, I can understand the rationale behind the IAU's decision now that I am older and much more educated.
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Postby Dragomerian Islands » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:12 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:As we all know, Pluto is not a planet. The decades spent learning about the ninth planet was all a lie. My Very Energetic Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas was no longer a handy moniker for remembering the order of the planets.

The ISU decided that there were three classifications that needed to be met in order for something to be a planet. Pluto did not meet them all, so it was considered a dwarf planet. Some people say that dwarf planets are planets, but if all dwarf planets were considered planets then the solar system would have more than 50 planets.

In the end there was considerable outrage. But what do you think NSG? What was and is your personal opinion on the matter. Do you agree with their ruling? Will Pluto always remain a planet in your eyes?

The ISU needs to go back to school and learn common sense. By their new definition of 'planet' that disqualified Pluto, Earth is not a planet either.
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Postby Immoren » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:13 am

WestRedMaple wrote:
Immoren wrote:
35th OCT of 34+6i



Pssssh, not gonna fall for that. October doesn't have 35 days in leap years


Of course there is. During year 34+6i.
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Postby Saarth » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:21 am

I never got why so many people defended Pluto as a planet. It doesn't fit the criteria, so it isn't one. The world just need to forget about the almost-planet. Which won't happen if the schools never update their curriculum o stop saying Pluto is a planet.

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Postby Dragomerian Islands » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:22 am

Saarth wrote:I never got why so many people defended Pluto as a planet. It doesn't fit the criteria, so it isn't one. The world just need to forget about the almost-planet. Which won't happen if the schools never update their curriculum o stop saying Pluto is a planet.

The Earth is NOT a planet by the new criteria, so therefore their definitions of 'planet' are wrong.
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Postby Rebellious Fishermen » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:23 am

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Postby Saarth » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:23 am

Dragomerian Islands wrote:
Saarth wrote:I never got why so many people defended Pluto as a planet. It doesn't fit the criteria, so it isn't one. The world just need to forget about the almost-planet. Which won't happen if the schools never update their curriculum o stop saying Pluto is a planet.

The Earth is NOT a planet by the new criteria, so therefore their definitions of 'planet' are wrong.

How?

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Postby WestRedMaple » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:24 am

Saarth wrote:I never got why so many people defended Pluto as a planet. It doesn't fit the criteria, so it isn't one. The world just need to forget about the almost-planet. Which won't happen if the schools never update their curriculum o stop saying Pluto is a planet.


It doesn't ONE set of criteria to be considered a planet. It DOES fit others. For that reason, some people consider it a planet while others do not.

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Postby Saarth » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:26 am

WestRedMaple wrote:
Saarth wrote:I never got why so many people defended Pluto as a planet. It doesn't fit the criteria, so it isn't one. The world just need to forget about the almost-planet. Which won't happen if the schools never update their curriculum o stop saying Pluto is a planet.


It doesn't ONE set of criteria to be considered a planet. It DOES fit others. For that reason, some people consider it a planet while others do not.

But that doesn't really matter, because it was decided by the people who do that. There is no other official criteria. There are people who may wish differently, but their opinion doesn't matter.

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