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They should adopt these principles:

• Honesty - Embrace the truth about oneself and the world.

• Transparency - Demonstrate openness and vulnerability.

• Humility - Acknowledge own mistakes and commit to learning.

• Integrity - Say what you think and do what you say.

• Respectfulness - Honor the dignity, inclusion, and diversity of others.

• Fairness - Do what is right based on common principles.

• Responsibility - Make yourself accountable to the community.

L Ron Cupboard wrote:They should adopt these principles:

• Honesty - Embrace the truth about oneself and the world.

• Transparency - Demonstrate openness and vulnerability.

• Humility - Acknowledge own mistakes and commit to learning.

• Integrity - Say what you think and do what you say.

• Respectfulness - Honor the dignity, inclusion, and diversity of others.

• Fairness - Do what is right based on common principles.

• Responsibility - Make yourself accountable to the community.

You'd never fit all that on the side of a squad car. Although, these new MRAPs I've heard about might have the space.

I didn't vote in the poll as this appears to be little more than a soapbox rather than a serious question. The entire OP can be translated as "if I can't see the police in a good light then no one else is allowed to either!".

SD_Film Artists wrote:I didn't vote in the poll as this appears to be little more than a soapbox rather than a serious question. The entire OP can be translated as "if I can't see the police in a good light then no one else is allowed to either!".

Plus, included in what?

As a great decepticon once said; "To punish and enslave"

No, no removed, but a "the rulling class" should be added next to it

Stasnov wrote:No, no removed, but a "the rulling class" should be added next to it

Adorable.

''To serve and protect'' isn't the best motto.

A better and more accurate description should be ''For Justice and Law and Order.''

The police do serve society, but not in the sense of being a servant. They are more akin to the ancient knights of old. Men of honor who swear solemn oaths to protect the weak and the innocent and put the laws of the land first. Its a very honorable profession and ''to serve and protect'' doesn't quite capture the scale of it. Its a great privilege and a great honor but also a great opportunity to take the blue.

I like the sound of ''For Justice and Law and Order'' much better.

Ifreann wrote:

SD_Film Artists wrote:I didn't vote in the poll as this appears to be little more than a soapbox rather than a serious question. The entire OP can be translated as "if I can't see the police in a good light then no one else is allowed to either!".

Plus, included in what?

What's included in what?

Or just add "the white man".

And someone already used that one up, never mind.

Ifreann wrote:

Blasted Craigs wrote:My bad. I was referring to American police forces only. Will update original post.

Well "To Protect And To Serve" is the motto of the LAPD, and other forces probably have similar mottoes. But a motto is just that and nothing more. Paining it on the sides of their cars doesn't mean anything to the finer points of their legal duties and responsibilities.

Indeed.

'Second to None' is the motto of the British Coldstream Guards Regiment... and they are the 'Second Regiment of Foot'. What's next, will BC want them to change it to 'Second to the Bill Browns'?

Infected Mushroom wrote:''To serve and protect'' isn't the best motto.

A better and more accurate description should be ''For Justice and Law and Order.''

Not really.

The police do serve society, but not in the sense of being a servant. They are more akin to the ancient knights of old. Men of honor who swear solemn oaths to protect the weak and the innocent and put the laws of the land first. Its a very honorable profession and ''to serve and protect'' doesn't quite capture the scale of it. Its a great privilege and a great honor but also a great opportunity to take the blue.

Police officers are nothing like "ancient knights of old", if they swear any kind of oath it varies from force to force, and they do not all wear blue.

SD_Film Artists wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Plus, included in what?

What's included in what?

The poll asks "Should the phrase "to protect and serve" still be included?" Included in what?

"to beat and abuse"

"dogs of the government"

"brainless"

I would suggest these.

Briwen wrote:"to beat and abuse"

"dogs of the government"

"brainless"

I would suggest these.

Mature.

Briwen wrote:"to beat and abuse"

"dogs of the government"

"brainless"

I would suggest these.

Oh watch those edges, you're likely to cut someone.

As the child of a municipal officer I feel I should be offended, but it's just not worth it.

Ifreann wrote:

Briwen wrote:"to beat and abuse"

"dogs of the government"

"brainless"

I would suggest these.

Mature.

Obvious I am not serious lol

They can write whatever they want on their shirt what matters is what is inside.

Briwen wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Mature.

Obvious I am not serious lol

They can write whatever they want on their shirt what matters is what is inside.

It does kinda matter what they put on their shirts.

Ifreann wrote:

Briwen wrote:
Obvious I am not serious lol

They can write whatever they want on their shirt what matters is what is inside.

It does kinda matter what they put on their shirts.

It doesnt, what matters is how they behave, they can write "protector of peace" and put tear gas on protesters or abuse their power for their personal interest.

they can write "beat and abuse" and still protect you.

But I know people love catchy words, that is why marketing works.

You could just interpret it how you want, after all it dosen't say who it protects and serves.
You could take the deus ex approch of protect and serve the corporate interest.

Ifreann wrote:

SD_Film Artists wrote:
What's included in what?

The poll asks "Should the phrase "to protect and serve" still be included?" Included in what?

Ah yes. I imagine on the cars but I'm not American.

The Sotoan Union wrote:So they should change a harmless motto because you don't like it.

Sure.

It's their oath of enlistment, not a motto.

Imperializt Russia wrote:

The Sotoan Union wrote:So they should change a harmless motto because you don't like it.

Sure.

It's their oath of enlistment, not a motto.

I don't know about it being their oath of enlistment, but many people have touched upon an interesting point: the role of the police in this society is under question. There are times when stopping crime is not in the best interests of society, when laws are not just, and are kept in place for ulterior motives other than protecting the state and the public.

The police intentionally or unintentionally misleading the public by presenting themselves in a certain light does not help.

Imperializt Russia wrote:

The Sotoan Union wrote:So they should change a harmless motto because you don't like it.

Sure.

It's their oath of enlistment, not a motto.

It's the LAPD's motto. Well, close to it. And the motto of the Northern Territories Police in Australia.

The Rich Port wrote:

Imperializt Russia wrote:It's their oath of enlistment, not a motto.

I don't know about it being their oath of enlistment, but many people have touched upon an interesting point: the role of the police in this society is under question. There are times when stopping crime is not in the best interests of society, when laws are not just, and are kept in place for ulterior motives other than protecting the state and the public.

The police intentionally or unintentionally misleading the public by presenting themselves in a certain light does not help.

I don't personally know, but OP stated that it is a part of the police oath of enlistment in the US.