The Cold War, Version 2?

[Blazedtown]

How has it ended? We were closer to all out war with the Russians in 1999 than we had been since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

The Cold War was a conflict between the Soviet Union/Warsaw Pact and the United States/NATO. The Soviet Union collapsed, the Warsaw Pact no longer exists, and the Cold War ended.
This isn't rocket science.

Yes, but relations are just as tense as they were during the Cold War. Russia is the successor state to the Soviet Union, both sides continue to antagonize each other, the arms race is started back up, and we are still fighting each other in proxy wars. The name has changed but the game stayed the same.

[Lalaki]

The United States and EU need to turn to peace. We have to be the change we seek. Ideally, we would negotiate and have an open dialogue with all disputes.

[Lalaki]

The Cold War was a conflict between the Soviet Union/Warsaw Pact and the United States/NATO. The Soviet Union collapsed, the Warsaw Pact no longer exists, and the Cold War ended.
This isn't rocket science.

Yes, but relations are just as tense as they were during the Cold War. Russia is the successor state to the Soviet Union, both sides continue to antagonize each other, the arms race is started back up, and we are still fighting each other in proxy wars. The name has changed but the game stayed the same.

Wouldn't the world be better if both sides worked together?

[Blazedtown]

The United States and EU need to turn to peace. We have to be the change we seek. Ideally, we would negotiate and have an open dialogue with all disputes.

You seem to have the world confused for a big bag of candy and blowjobs. The world is not a nice place, and to get ahead, you have to play rough.

[Laerod]

The United States/European Union should be more open to cooperation and diplomacy, instead of sanctions and the like. Even if Putin is unwilling, at least we will have tried to do the right thing.

They were open to cooperation. Ukranian affiliation wasn't a zero-sum game until Putin made it that through his illegal pressuring by means of Russian gas exports. And sanctions ARE diplomacy. The attempts were made, continuously. The outreached hand has been slapped away time and time again.

[Laerod]

The United States and EU need to turn to peace. We have to be the change we seek. Ideally, we would negotiate and have an open dialogue with all disputes.

You seem to have the world confused for a big bag of candy and blowjobs. The world is not a nice place, and to get ahead, you have to play rough.

Actually, it has been since the 1950s with the acknowledgement of national sovereignty even for states that were unable to forcibely guarantee their own.

[Laerod]

The United States and EU need to turn to peace. We have to be the change we seek. Ideally, we would negotiate and have an open dialogue with all disputes.

It's a bit difficult to have an open dialogue with unabashed liars. The trust required to negotiate peaceful settlements is not given if a party has a continued track record of violating past agreements.

[Lalaki]

The United States and EU need to turn to peace. We have to be the change we seek. Ideally, we would negotiate and have an open dialogue with all disputes.

You seem to have the world confused for a big bag of candy and blowjobs. The world is not a nice place, and to get ahead, you have to play rough.

I don't have the world confused for that. I simply want to have a more peaceful future, and playing rough while advocating for peace is not really consistent.

For all intents and purposes, I usually side with the US/EU in these disputes. But I am willing and able to defend the other side if I believe we are doing something wrong.

[Havenic Israel]

More like the Cold war has never ended.

how would you argue that it never ended?

That's actually a pretty fair assessment. Tensions between the US and Russia have never ended. For example, During the Bosnia/Kosovo conflicts, Russia mobilized it's military and threatened to move into Serbia to protect it from invasion had we done so. This is basically the main reason we didn't. Into the 21st century things haven't gotten much better. There've been times where relations were decent, and then in 2008 it all went down hill after the invasion of Georgia.

[Bulgar Rouge]

No, but the sheer inadequacy of most Western nations in terms of foreign policy isn't making things better.

[Lalaki]

The United States and EU need to turn to peace. We have to be the change we seek. Ideally, we would negotiate and have an open dialogue with all disputes.

It's a bit difficult to have an open dialogue with unabashed liars. The trust required to negotiate peaceful settlements is not given if a party has a continued track record of violating past agreements.

Out of curiosity, which side do you support?

[Laerod]

how would you argue that it never ended?

That's actually a pretty fair assessment. Tensions between the US and Russia have never ended. For example, During the Bosnia/Kosovo conflicts, Russia mobilized it's military and threatened to move into Serbia to protect it from invasion had we done so. This is basically the main reason we didn't. Into the 21st century things haven't gotten much better. There've been times where relations were decent, and then in 2008 it all went down hill after the invasion of Georgia.

Actually, it isn't. While there are continued tensions between Russia and the US, the Cold War as a conflict essentially died with the Soviet Union. Kosovo or Georgia notwithstanding, the amount of proxy conflicts across the world between the US and Russia (in its incarnation as the Soviet Union) plummeted drastically and hasn't "recovered".

[Laerod]

It's a bit difficult to have an open dialogue with unabashed liars. The trust required to negotiate peaceful settlements is not given if a party has a continued track record of violating past agreements.

Out of curiosity, which side do you support?

I like the idea of national sovereignty so long as it's not being used to shield interference with a government's crimes against its people. I also like the rule of law, free and fair elections, and democratic standards. As such, in the conflict going on in Ukraine, I oppose Russian aggression as it appears to be the far greater of any evils involved.

[Lalaki]

Out of curiosity, which side do you support?

I like the idea of national sovereignty so long as it's not being used to shield interference with a government's crimes against its people. I also like the rule of law, free and fair elections, and democratic standards. As such, in the conflict going on in Ukraine, I oppose Russian aggression as it appears to be the far greater of any evils involved.

I like that instead of having a bias to one side, you come to a conclusion via set a set philosophy. You have my respect, sir.

And I agree. Russia does seem to be the main antagonist in the Ukrainian conflict.

[Conscentia]

[...] That said we may never be buddies with Russia, but that doesn't mean our relations will be comparable to when we almost blew each other up.

Essentially this.

[United Marxist Nations]

The "first" Cold War was not an anomaly, Great Powers tend to become rivals with one another when their spheres of influence begin to border one another. At this point, Russia's sphere of influence degraded quickly after the Dissolution of the USSR, and now they are just trying to salvage it by 1) Keeping NATO off its border as much as possible (already on the border, since the Baltics) to have buffer territory, 2) Create a partnership with Belarus, Kazahkstan, and possibly Armenia, Tajikistan, and Kyrgyzstan, with the intent to regain some of the USSR's former economic strength; and 3) to create partnerships with emerging powers who may also feel their potential sphere's of influence are threatened by the current Western hegemony.

[The New Sea Territory]

People need to stop making these threads.

[Vekalse]

People need to stop making these threads.

I am that "person," and I don't know what you mean by "these threads."

[Rhodevus]

edgy with info is the way to go
All the cool kids are doing it!

The cold war ended. Being an idiot and trying to say it was something different to be unique makes you both an idiot, and edgy.
Your shoddy grammar doesn't help your argument either.

It was never meant to be true. What I wrote was a joke, making fun of you trying to be edgy without writing any actual information. SO my grammatical mistakes were on purpose.
I believe that the Cold War ended when the Soviet Union collapsed. Being rude to people is not a great way to make a first impression.

I like the idea of national sovereignty so long as it's not being used to shield interference with a government's crimes against its people. I also like the rule of law, free and fair elections, and democratic standards. As such, in the conflict going on in Ukraine, I oppose Russian aggression as it appears to be the far greater of any evils involved.

I like that instead of having a bias to one side, you come to a conclusion via set a set philosophy. You have my respect, sir.

And I agree. Russia does seem to be the main antagonist in the Ukrainian conflict.

I agree with this as well.

[Parti Ouvrier]

You seem to have the world confused for a big bag of candy and blowjobs. The world is not a nice place, and to get ahead, you have to play rough.

Actually, it has been since the 1950s with the acknowledgement of national sovereignty even for states that were unable to forcibely guarantee their own.

The world is nice? Of course it is.
http://www.amazon.com/Rogue-State-Guide ... 1567513743

Also, the US is the only country to use the atomic bomb.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/03/ ... peace.html

http://www.wingia.com/en/services/about ... ults/7/33/

[The Re-Frisivisiaing]

People need to stop making these threads.

I am that "person," and I don't know what you mean by "these threads."

ZOMG COLD WAR IS BACK B/C RUSSIA IN NEWS

[Havenic Israel]

That's actually a pretty fair assessment. Tensions between the US and Russia have never ended. For example, During the Bosnia/Kosovo conflicts, Russia mobilized it's military and threatened to move into Serbia to protect it from invasion had we done so. This is basically the main reason we didn't. Into the 21st century things haven't gotten much better. There've been times where relations were decent, and then in 2008 it all went down hill after the invasion of Georgia.

Actually, it isn't. While there are continued tensions between Russia and the US, the Cold War as a conflict essentially died with the Soviet Union. Kosovo or Georgia notwithstanding, the amount of proxy conflicts across the world between the US and Russia (in its incarnation as the Soviet Union) plummeted drastically and hasn't "recovered".

Not really. During the Cold War, the proxy conflicts of note were the Rhodesian Bush War (60s-'79) South African Border War (60s-'89), Vietnam ('65-'73), Korean War ('51-'53), Afghan War ('79-'88), major Arab Israeli Wars ('67, '73) and Grenada ('83).

Since, the proxy conflicts between Russia and the United States have included the First Gulf War ('91), Bosnia crisis ('95-6), Kosovo Conflict ('99) 2nd Gulf War ('03, in which over a hundred Russian military advisors were captured amongst Iraqi regiments and corps elements), Russo-Georgia War ('08), Ukraine Crisis (ongoing), and the Iraq insurgency (04-'11, in which Russia equipped Iran which filtered supplies to the Jaish Mahdi, and Syria which supplied arms to the Sunnis).

As you can see, over forty years there were eight major proxy conflicts. In twenty-two years since the collapse of the Soviet Union, and nineteen and a half since the collapse of the RSFSR, there have been six which are definitive proxy conflicts, two which are arguable (Bosnia and Kosovo). In fact, the number of conflicts between Russia and the US/NATO has exponentially INCREASED.

[Vekalse]

I am that "person," and I don't know what you mean by "these threads."

ZOMG COLD WAR IS BACK B/C RUSSIA IN NEWS

That's nice, but I wasn't referring to that conflict.

If you actually read, you'd see that I talked about USA, UK, China, etc.

[The New Sea Territory]

I am that "person," and I don't know what you mean by "these threads."

ZOMG COLD WAR IS BACK B/C RUSSIA IN NEWS

Sigging.

[Sejasia]

I'd like to say the cold war never formally ended with the 'fall of communism' because... proxy wars and the war on terror anyone?