Let me try and help you understand the Far-Right

[Republique della France]

But you see, mass immigration only exists in Europe and other white countries.

Source please or I'll just have to call you out for baseless assumptions.

Do you understand, do you realize that mass immigration occurring only in white countries seems a bit unfair?

Oh don't tell me, this is the part where you add in those favourite sound bites I have come to expect from the Far-Right.

"Anti-Racist is code for Anti-White"

The majority of the people immigrating to Europe are not skilled workers. Most of them are very poor, and are refugees.

Evidence?

The government then gives them jobs, jobs that could have gone to our ethnic citizens.

By your logic, White people also shouldn't be allowed to migrate to Asian countries where they'll take our jobs. We oughta deport them or throw them into refugee camps eh?

Its very easy to see. Every day on European news there is a report about massive amounts of refugees coming into European nations from the Middle East. It is very obvious that the scale of immigrants is unprecedented.

I don't know what you mean by anti-racist anti-white.

The evidence is in virtually every news report about conflicts in the middle east. ANd the fact that the disgusting European Union thinks its our job to accept all of those refugees. What do they think is going to happen?

Do they really expect that we work to pay taxes to accommodate immigrants and refugees? It's nonsense.

[The Greater Aryan Race]

Yeah, sometimes I don't read the OP, either.

The gist of his argument is basically this:

Muslims should not migrate because they'll insist on setting up Islamic exclusive zones. Ergo migration should be limited because the ebil sand-people are bringing their culture into Europe. Hence migration should be stopped, thereby justifying his ideology as a supporter of the Far-Right.

I'm perfectly aware of what the OP states.

[Sdaeriji]

Lithuania is in Europe. It's also part of the EU and Western civilisation.

It's unreasonable to expect him to list every country in Europe to make a comparison, don't you think?

Not even remotely. His entire point was that European cultures have more in common with other European cultures than with Islamic cultures. Pointing out that Lithuania, a European culture, is closer linguistically to an Islamic culture than to other European cultures directly contradicts his point.

[Aquillus]

These threads never cease to amaze me. I am not entirely sure why you think that the patch of soil someone was born on entitles them to any different treatment, though.

[Arglorand]

It's unreasonable to expect him to list every country in Europe to make a comparison, don't you think?

Not even remotely. His entire point was that European cultures have more in common with other European cultures than with Islamic cultures. Pointing out that Lithuania, a European culture, is closer linguistically to an Islamic culture than to other European cultures directly contradicts his point.

Exactly. Thank you for stating what I meant in a much more understandable form.

[Republique della France]

Precisely. It is a never ending cycle.

They export their lower classes to white nations and then force us to take care of them, and our stupid governments oblige.

And yes, ethnic citizens deserve jobs more, because they are natural citizens of the country they're in. How does that not make any sense?

The immigrants are not forced to be there in the first place, there should be absolutely no obligation to them.

It's not a bad thing. It's a good thing. The more developed nations have greater resources and opportunities, which should be extended to everyone.

How does it make sense? They're all people. Immigrants didn't have the luck to be born in a more developed country - does that make then inferior? Citizens are citizens, whether "natural" or not.

They should not be extended to everyone. That is ridiculous. The benefits belong to the nation, and its ethnic citizens. Not outsiders who have their home somewhere else. They do not deserve anything. They are not entitled to anything.

"Luck" has nothing to do with it. Do you think Europe started out with expensive cars and advanced technology? No. They worked hard for it.

How is it our responsibility to hold up the rest of the world? Why can't they simply work for themselves and keep to themselves? How the hell is it our responsibility?

These are our nations, and they belong to us.

[Republique della France]

Not even remotely. His entire point was that European cultures have more in common with other European cultures than with Islamic cultures. Pointing out that Lithuania, a European culture, is closer linguistically to an Islamic culture than to other European cultures directly contradicts his point.

Exactly. Thank you for stating what I meant in a much more understandable form.

You're assuming Language encompasses culture

[Zottistan]

Yeah, sometimes I don't read the OP, either.

The gist of his argument is basically this:

Muslims should not migrate because they'll insist on setting up Islamic exclusive zones. Ergo migration should be limited because the ebil sand-people are bringing their culture into Europe. Hence migration should be stopped, thereby justifying his ideology as a supporter of the Far-Right.

I'm perfectly aware of what the OP states.

So what does "the White folk that come to Asian countries such as where I live are stealing our jobs, women, housing and school places" have to do with his logic?

[Memell]

I agree with most things you said, OP. Howefver, i should warn you that this thread is probably just going to turn into a shitstorm.

[Republique della France]

Yeah, sometimes I don't read the OP, either.

The gist of his argument is basically this:

Muslims should not migrate because they'll insist on setting up Islamic exclusive zones. Ergo migration should be limited because the ebil sand-people are bringing their culture into Europe. Hence migration should be stopped, thereby justifying his ideology as a supporter of the Far-Right.

I'm perfectly aware of what the OP states.

SO what are you saying? That Islamic Zones are OKAY?

[Republique della France]

I agree with most things you said, OP. Howefver, i should warn you that this thread is probably just going to turn into a shitstorm.

If it does, its not my fault.

[Pyke and the Iron Isles]

It's not a bad thing. It's a good thing. The more developed nations have greater resources and opportunities, which should be extended to everyone.

How does it make sense? They're all people. Immigrants didn't have the luck to be born in a more developed country - does that make then inferior? Citizens are citizens, whether "natural" or not.

They should not be extended to everyone. That is ridiculous. The benefits belong to the nation, and its ethnic citizens. Not outsiders who have their home somewhere else. They do not deserve anything. They are not entitled to anything.

"Luck" has nothing to do with it. Do you think Europe started out with expensive cars and advanced technology? No. They worked hard for it.

How is it our responsibility to hold up the rest of the world? Why can't they simply work for themselves and keep to themselves? How the hell is it our responsibility?

These are our nations, and they belong to us.

Really? You in particular worked hard to reach where your.country.is? Why are you entitled to leech off of the success of your ancestors?

[Arglorand]

They should not be extended to everyone. That is ridiculous. The benefits belong to the nation, and its ethnic citizens. Not outsiders who have their home somewhere else. They do not deserve anything. They are not entitled to anything.

That is YOUR opinion. My opinion is that the benefits of the nation belong to everyone who lives and works there to enrich the nation.

"Luck" has nothing to do with it. Do you think Europe started out with expensive cars and advanced technology? No. They worked hard for it.

How is it our responsibility to hold up the rest of the world? Why can't they simply work for themselves and keep to themselves? How the hell is it our responsibility?

Well, you know, we sort of SCREWED THEM OVER for the entirety of the 19th century.

These are our nations, and they belong to us.

No they won't belong to you when your beloved Far Right tears the EU apart and plays its feeble nations right into the hands of a hungry bear to the East.

[Pyke and the Iron Isles]

Exactly. Thank you for stating what I meant in a much more understandable form.

You're assuming Language encompasses culture

Uh, yeah. It's a rather massive part of a culture.

[Arglorand]

Exactly. Thank you for stating what I meant in a much more understandable form.

You're assuming Language encompasses culture

And you're assuming it doesn't. If you ask any Lithuanian, they will put their language as a much more valued thing to them than their religion or their borscht or anything else. That is, if it came down to choosing loyalties, we would choose a Pakistani over a Frenchman.

[Indira]

Do you have proof that these 'islamic zones' are a serious proposition?

[Republique della France]

They should not be extended to everyone. That is ridiculous. The benefits belong to the nation, and its ethnic citizens. Not outsiders who have their home somewhere else. They do not deserve anything. They are not entitled to anything.

"Luck" has nothing to do with it. Do you think Europe started out with expensive cars and advanced technology? No. They worked hard for it.

How is it our responsibility to hold up the rest of the world? Why can't they simply work for themselves and keep to themselves? How the hell is it our responsibility?

These are our nations, and they belong to us.

Really? You in particular worked hard to reach where your.country.is? Why are you entitled to leech off of the success of your ancestors?

Our ancestors did not work so that Pakistanis could benefit. They did not work so that Muslims could benefit. They worked so that their families and their communities could benefit. SPaniards. Frenchmen and women.

We are citizens of the nation, ethnic citizens. We are not leeching off from our ancestors because they chose to work for the nation. They chose to share their work for us, they worked for Spain, they worked for France, they did not work for the world.

[Sdaeriji]

Exactly. Thank you for stating what I meant in a much more understandable form.

You're assuming Language encompasses culture

He's really not, but if he were, he'd be mostly right. Language and religion and a shared history.

[Aquillus]

It's not a bad thing. It's a good thing. The more developed nations have greater resources and opportunities, which should be extended to everyone.

How does it make sense? They're all people. Immigrants didn't have the luck to be born in a more developed country - does that make then inferior? Citizens are citizens, whether "natural" or not.

They should not be extended to everyone. That is ridiculous. The benefits belong to the nation, and its ethnic citizens. Not outsiders who have their home somewhere else. They do not deserve anything. They are not entitled to anything.

"Luck" has nothing to do with it. Do you think Europe started out with expensive cars and advanced technology? No. They worked hard for it.

How is it our responsibility to hold up the rest of the world? Why can't they simply work for themselves and keep to themselves? How the hell is it our responsibility?

These are our nations, and they belong to us.

Our ancestors might have worked for things, but that has no reflection us, we are not our ancestors. Besides, people from different areas of the world have also worked hard for what they want, but there are number of factors which mean that they are not advanced (e.g if they live in an area that suffers from many large scales natural disasters or lack of arable land, being on the wrong end of colonisation etc).

[Indira]

Source please or I'll just have to call you out for baseless assumptions.


Oh don't tell me, this is the part where you add in those favourite sound bites I have come to expect from the Far-Right.

"Anti-Racist is code for Anti-White"


Evidence?


By your logic, White people also shouldn't be allowed to migrate to Asian countries where they'll take our jobs. We oughta deport them or throw them into refugee camps eh?

Its very easy to see. Every day on European news there is a report about massive amounts of refugees coming into European nations from the Middle East. It is very obvious that the scale of immigrants is unprecedented.

I don't know what you mean by anti-racist anti-white.

The evidence is in virtually every news report about conflicts in the middle east. ANd the fact that the disgusting European Union thinks its our job to accept all of those refugees. What do they think is going to happen?

Do they really expect that we work to pay taxes to accommodate immigrants and refugees? It's nonsense.

He asked for SOURCES. You know, those little things we provide when making claims?

[Celesburg]

Exactly. Thank you for stating what I meant in a much more understandable form.

You're assuming Language encompasses culture

As German-French I'd say that the only thing that connects Germany and France is the globalized culture which you also find in Japan, Moscow, New York, Accra ect...

[Arglorand]

Really? You in particular worked hard to reach where your.country.is? Why are you entitled to leech off of the success of your ancestors?

Our ancestors did not work so that Pakistanis could benefit. They did not work so that Muslims could benefit. They worked so that their families and their communities could benefit. SPaniards. Frenchmen and women.

We are citizens of the nation, ethnic citizens. We are not leeching off from our ancestors because they chose to work for the nation. They chose to share their work for us, they worked for Spain, they worked for France, they did not work for the world.

Nah, they pretty much worked to survive is what they did. Which from my experience their arrogant compatriots in Western Europe don't do anymore, letting Eastern Europeans and Middle Easterners do all the work they hate doing, such as manual labour, and then go, "EBUL IMMIGRANTS STEAL OUR JERBS"

[Republique della France]

You're assuming Language encompasses culture

And you're assuming it doesn't. If you ask any Lithuanian, they will put their language as a much more valued thing to them than their religion or their borscht or anything else. That is, if it came down to choosing loyalties, we would choose a Pakistani over a Frenchman.

Of course you would. Your people were under the rule of the Soviet beasts.

[The Greater Aryan Race]

Its very easy to see. Every day on European news there is a report about massive amounts of refugees coming into European nations from the Middle East. It is very obvious that the scale of immigrants is unprecedented.

Again, kindly show me the statistics.

The evidence is in virtually every news report about conflicts in the middle east. ANd the fact that the disgusting European Union thinks its our job to accept all of those refugees. What do they think is going to happen?

Yeah sure, it's not like Europe is free of conflicts or anything. *cough*Ukraine*cough*

Do they really expect that we work to pay taxes to accommodate immigrants and refugees? It's nonsense.

Immigrants and refugees have to work too and they pay taxes as well. Taxes which you reap the benefits from. So don't throw up that nonsense about Europeans being some oppressed second-class entity.

[Valaran]

For instance, I used to have Muslim friends when I was living in Spain. Sure, we got along, but one day they began talking about politics, and it got to me. They were talking about how they should have Islamic zones, where non-muslims cannot go into, and where they can practice shariah law.

So, if my understanding is correct, you are basing pretty much your entire argument off some comments of your friends? That doesn't seem particularly justifiable.

But observe the middle east. There is ALWAYS some kind of conflict, some kind of war, and with those come cultures of crime.

The Middle East is generally at war. How does that affect Pakistani immigrants again? Unless you were, of course, grouping all Muslim cultures together... (not a great plan)

Now, I don't have a problem with them because they're Muslim, I have a problem with them because they want our entire country to be Muslim.

Please show me where they try and do that. (sources....)

You may say the same thing about Christians, but the fact is, because of the Popes, and other Crusaders, European culture and history is almost inseparable from one doctrine of Christianity or the other. So there would not be any real detectable difference if there was a sudden influx of Christians.

Well... that worked well in Northern Ireland didn't it? *nods*

My point is, we love our countries, and we have beliefs. Our most important goal is to ensure jobs, education, and health are provided and prioritized for ethnic citizens.

Actually, I think you'll find its the other way round. In many European countries, immigrant minorities have higher unemployment. In the UK, where its the opposite (to an extent, I'm generalizing a little here as the OP is) its usually as the immigrants work harder.

Not because we are racist or what have you, but because for the very fact that we live in Spain. And we are Spaniards. Spaniards are called Spaniards because we are from Spain, not Pakistan. Germans are called German because they are from Germany, not Turkey.

This is a genuine issue. What defines statehood? But have you heard of dual nationality. The options are not mutually exclusive; you shouldn't have to limit yourself to one category like this..... much like how you yourself said you were half-Spanish and half-french (and basque)

We shouldn't have to accommodate anyone because we "offend" them, when in reality, they do not belong here in the first place. No one is forcing them to be here.

Didn't you just mention the wars in the Middle East? They want to come here, in most cases.

In summary, it is simply not fair that foreign immigrants can come into our nations and receive special treatment, set up "ISlamic Zones" either.

Except that largely doesn't happen.

Imagine how the world would react if whites went into a non-white country and set up "Whites Only Zones" do you have any idea how terrible the reaction would be?

I don't know. How are those Israeli settlements in Palestine doing? Or maybe it already happened, with apartheid.

This is a simple fact, that in many European nations, Europeans are treated as second class citizens.

As a fellow European, I haven't found that to be true. Could you find a source for that please to show this happens in 'many European nations' please?

It is simply not fair, that they come from another country, and bring their cultures with them. We do not need their cultures. Pakistani culture exists in Pakistan, let it exist solely in Pakistan.

The fact is, that they are coming to OUR country, and must adapt to our ways. Not the other way around.

What about the things we can learn from different cultures? If I remember correctly much of early medieval European science was based off work by Islamic scholars. One can tolerate having both. And I also don't remember how there is just one culture in every European nation. You even mentioned yourself how were Basque as well as French and Spanish.

Concluding point:

Pretty much every part of your argument can be deconstructed and taken apart. Because it doesn't really feel like a well rationed case. Instead, it seems much more like a blog masquerading as an argument, based off a vague sense of unease about Muslim immigrants and a few comments by your friends, rather than anything tangible.

Yeah, since the OP didn't take the opportunity to add any talking points ... locked.

Well.... this is a trifle awkward