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What destroyed the Soviet Union?

Ronald Reagan. His aggressive foreign policy forced the Soviets to build up their military, which their economy couldn't afford. His policies ultimately resulted in Soviet collapse.
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Mikhail Gorbachev. His reforms were too radical and he gave too much power too the people. This prevented the government from changing over time, as the people simply revolted.
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Mass Media. People had become disillusioned with communism. The governments couldn't hide how backwards they were and the people rose against communism across the world.
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The system was broken. It was inherently flawed. After the post WWII economic boom the Soviet Union began a long slow period of decline it couldn't possibly have recovered from.
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Somehow it was the Jews.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:28 am

OMGeverynameistaken wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
Shouldn't you hate Jews, Communists and Russians equally, anyway?

If you want to get into the technical aspects of Nazi race science, Jews were technically superior to Slavs. See, Jews were still sub-human scum, but they were intelligent, devious, sub-human scum. They needed to be exterminated because they were just too smart for their own good. Slavs were basically animals, suitable for being culled and used as a slave labor population after the war.


Except for the Slavic children who were taken from their families and adopted into the Aryan Master Race...
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:29 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
OMGeverynameistaken wrote:If you want to get into the technical aspects of Nazi race science, Jews were technically superior to Slavs. See, Jews were still sub-human scum, but they were intelligent, devious, sub-human scum. They needed to be exterminated because they were just too smart for their own good. Slavs were basically animals, suitable for being culled and used as a slave labor population after the war.


Except for the Slavic children who were taken from their families and adopted into the Aryan Master Race...

And the sex slaves don't forget the sex slaves.
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Postby Dracoria » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:40 am

CTALNH wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Except for the Slavic children who were taken from their families and adopted into the Aryan Master Race...

And the sex slaves don't forget the sex slaves.


Or sex slavs as the case may be.
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Postby Baltenstein » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:43 am

Dracoria wrote:
CTALNH wrote:And the sex slaves don't forget the sex slaves.


Or sex slavs as the case may be.


The worst thing is that you can make the exact same horrible pun in German.
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Postby Vistulange » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:48 am

Baltenstein wrote:
Dracoria wrote:
Or sex slavs as the case may be.


The worst thing is that you can make the exact same horrible pun in German.


wat

Really?

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Postby United States of White America » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:54 am

The Soviet Union destroyed itself because people finally saw that communism was and is evil.
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Postby Pandeeria » Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:31 am

United States of White America wrote:The Soviet Union destroyed itself because people finally saw that communism was and is evil.


People finally saw that because of the Glasnost and Perestroika.

If those alone weren't passed, I wouldn't be suprised if the USSR lived into the 21st century.
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In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Baltenstein » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:27 am

Vistulange wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
The worst thing is that you can make the exact same horrible pun in German.


wat

Really?


It's "Sexsklaven" and "Sexslawen".
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Postby Laerod » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:30 am

Baltenstein wrote:
Vistulange wrote:
wat

Really?


It's "Sexsklaven" and "Sexslawen".

Well, the root of the English word appears to be the Latin word for Slave.

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Postby Baltenstein » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:36 am



Both the Greeks and the Romans already had a word for the concept ("doulos/douloi" in Greek, "servus/servii" in Latin.) Both languages coined the word "slave" once the Slavic migrations reached the Western and Eastern Roman empires. This indicates that the Greeks and Romans engaged so extensively in slave trade with captured Slavs, that they adapted a new word into their languages. Modern Greek has both "doulos/douloi" and "sklavos/sklavoi" and they mean exactly the same.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:47 am

Pandeeria wrote:
United States of White America wrote:The Soviet Union destroyed itself because people finally saw that communism was and is evil.

People finally saw that because of the Glasnost and Perestroika.

If those alone weren't passed, I wouldn't be suprised if the USSR lived into the 21st century.

USoWA does not get to decide what is good and evil, since he is a bloody fascist. Glasnost and perestroika were introduced by the last Soviet leader, who happened to be a communist like all other politicians back then in the Soviet Union. It was the August Putsch that made the Soviet Union history, something that anybody who knows how a history book works knows.
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:49 am

Forsher wrote:
The Sotoan Union wrote:Yes we all know there was no one reason. Can we pick the biggest factor so there is something to discuss though?


That's bad historical practice... it's broadly equivalent to coming up with a theory and then finding facts to support it. One shouldn't try and force evidence to say things it doesn't (which is a likely outcome of looking for a biggest factor). No quite as bad as the response I was intending to make was going to be (i.e. thinking that a deluded terrorist's assessment of the invasion of Afghanistan as the biggest reason is reliable) but still something to avoid.

What?

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Postby Estado Nacional » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:14 am

CTALNH wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Except for the Slavic children who were taken from their families and adopted into the Aryan Master Race...

And the sex slaves don't forget the sex slaves.


...you're not the guy who said you'd like humanity to conquer space civilizations so you can have alien sex slaves, are you?
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Postby Vistulange » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:42 am

United States of White America wrote:The Soviet Union destroyed itself because people finally saw that communism was and is evil.

Could you, by chance, be able to enlighten all of us as to why communism is evil?

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Postby The Interstellar Mongol Khanate » Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:45 am

The Sotoan Union wrote:Obviously the Soviet Union collapsed for a number of reasons. But what do you think was the biggest factor NSG?

Personally I think it was a number of these factors, but with Ronald Reagan being the biggest factor.


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Postby Arkolon » Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:25 am

Broken system; surprised it lasted longer than four years.
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:32 am

Expand your OP.

And it was Gorby.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:19 am

Obama. Competition with the Soviets forced us to develop new technologies and weapons systems and court potentially friendly governments, thus increasing our power. So Obama blew up the Kremlin with his laser eyes and punched Gorbachev until he agreed to dissolve the USSR, thus laying the foundations for him to take over America and weakening the world to make the invasion of his lizardman overlords easier.

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Postby Dracoria » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:01 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:Obama. Competition with the Soviets forced us to develop new technologies and weapons systems and court potentially friendly governments, thus increasing our power. So Obama blew up the Kremlin with his laser eyes and punched Gorbachev until he agreed to dissolve the USSR, thus laying the foundations for him to take over America and weakening the world to make the invasion of his lizardman overlords easier.

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Postby Britanania » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:02 pm

Nachtmysticum wrote:It was the Druze.

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Postby Arcturus Novus » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:06 pm

United States of White America wrote:The Soviet Union destroyed itself because people finally saw that communism was and is evil.

Nothing inherently evil about an economic system. However, if you wanna argue that the blokes who implemented it are evil, then by all means, go for it.
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Postby Muinordgrad » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:07 pm

I kind of want to say Stalin, since he was the one that more or less ended any chance of the USSR not relying on mass murder. But It really was a gigantic mix of stuff.
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Postby Pandeeria » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:39 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:People finally saw that because of the Glasnost and Perestroika.

If those alone weren't passed, I wouldn't be suprised if the USSR lived into the 21st century.

USoWA does not get to decide what is good and evil, since he is a bloody fascist. Glasnost and perestroika were introduced by the last Soviet leader, who happened to be a communist like all other politicians back then in the Soviet Union. It was the August Putsch that made the Soviet Union history, something that anybody who knows how a history book works knows.


That could've been avoided if the Party kept itself in-line with it's totalitarian ideals.

Again, the mentality of the Party itself is what brought about the USSR's downfall.
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Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Herargon » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:47 pm

Struggle of economy to keep the military budget high + de-collectivizing economy without setting the prices of the national companies high so that an oligarchy is impossible + free media + discontent of the population due to the distribution = economy collapses + panic + nationalist tendencies + oligarchy + free media criticizes the state and there could break a really violent revolution out/revolution = fall of the USSR.
(luckily, that revolution didn't happen violently, at least in Europe except Russia and Romania).

That's my list of what caused the fall of the Soviet Union.
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Postby Veceria » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:52 pm

You did it, OP. You also killed the glorious leader Kim Yong Un. And you faked the moon landing.
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