Ukraine Megathread: Crimea River Build a Bridge, Get Over It

[Korva]

[Malgrave]

Russia has warned Bosnia and Herzegovina against sending ammunition to Ukraine. I don't exactly know how you can criticize a country for supplying arms to another state when you're in the middle of supplying weapons and troops to separatist fighters in the same country.

[Mefpan]

Russia has warned Bosnia and Herzegovina against sending ammunition to Ukraine. I don't exactly know how you can criticize a country for supplying arms to another state when you're in the middle of supplying weapons and troops to separatist fighters in the same country.

Well, that's easy. You send strongly worded letters to people in power to consider reining in their industry.

Unless you're coming from a moral standpoint, which is where my ability to explain expires and I am forced to laugh in painful desperation at the assumption that morals have a meaning in politics.

[Landenburg]

Russia has warned Bosnia and Herzegovina against sending ammunition to Ukraine. I don't exactly know how you can criticize a country for supplying arms to another state when you're in the middle of supplying weapons and troops to separatist fighters in the same country.

I hope Bosnia and Herzegovina send an especially big ammunition package to Ukraine for that one.

[Malgrave]

A Russian woman has been accused of treason after informing the Ukrainian embassy of possible troop movements.

[Landenburg]

A Russian woman has been accused of treason after informing the Ukrainian embassy of possible troop movements.

Well..that is technically treason.

[Malgrave]

A Russian woman has been accused of treason after informing the Ukrainian embassy of possible troop movements.

Well..that is technically treason.

Since Russia is not sending troops to Ukraine all she is doing is reporting on some vacations /s

[Landenburg]

Well..that is technically treason.

Since Russia is not sending troops to Ukraine all she is doing is reporting on some vacations /s

Everyone knows that Russia is sending troops. The only thing that's going on is Russia denying it.

Thus, she still committed treason.

On the plus side, if she gets convicted for it, it might force Russia to confirm what they're doing.

[Malgrave]

Students in Ukraine have sent a video to their counterparts in Russia telling them to doubt everything in an attempt counter Kremlin propaganda.

It appears this conflict has concerned Belarus with Alexander Lukashenko coming out and declaring that Belarus is an independent state and will never be a part of the so-called Russian world.

Russia's representative to the OSCE has urged the West to stop supporting Kyiv and indulging its party of war. I think all of these statements from Russian representatives just highlights how out of touch and delusional their message has become since the outbreak of war.

[Herargon]

Students in Ukraine have sent a video to their counterparts in Russia telling them to doubt everything in an attempt counter Kremlin propaganda.

It appears this conflict has concerned Belarus with Alexander Lukashenko coming out and declaring that Belarus is an independent state and will never be a part of the so-called Russian world.

Russia's representative to the OSCE has urged the West to stop supporting Kyiv and indulging its party of war. I think all of these statements from Russian representatives just highlights how out of touch and delusional their message has become since the outbreak of war.

You know, 'everything' also involves Kiev propaganda. Thus they mean every kind of propaganda, be it Kiev, Moscow or the EU. What those students say, I agree with. In this world of modernity and internet, it's as hard as in the past to find the truth between all the scrap. If not, even harder to do so, since the internet is thousands of times bigger than the information flows in the 1980's and very early 90's.

[Herargon]

Russia has warned Bosnia and Herzegovina against sending ammunition to Ukraine. I don't exactly know how you can criticize a country for supplying arms to another state when you're in the middle of supplying weapons and troops to separatist fighters in the same country.

I hope Bosnia and Herzegovina send an especially big ammunition package to Ukraine for that one.

Agreed, and what can Russia do? The EU entirely surrounds Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro (and Kosovo, if you acknowledge them as a sovereign nation).

[Roski]

I hope Bosnia and Herzegovina send an especially big ammunition package to Ukraine for that one.

Agreed, and what can Russia do? The EU entirely surrounds Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro (and Kosovo, if you acknowledge them as a sovereign nation).

Fire missiles over the countries

[European Socialist Republic]

I hope Bosnia and Herzegovina send an especially big ammunition package to Ukraine for that one.

Agreed, and what can Russia do? The EU entirely surrounds Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro (and Kosovo, if you acknowledge them as a sovereign nation).

Vacationers arriving by warships cruise ships (who are merely armed to protect them from fascists) over the Adriatic Sea.

[Herargon]

Agreed, and what can Russia do? The EU entirely surrounds Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro (and Kosovo, if you acknowledge them as a sovereign nation).

Fire missiles over the countries

There's a thing called anti-missile launcher, and a laser.

Agreed, and what can Russia do? The EU entirely surrounds Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro (and Kosovo, if you acknowledge them as a sovereign nation).

Vacationers arriving by warships cruise ships (who are merely armed to protect them from fascists) over the Adriatic Sea.

Well, that would be considered an invasion, so the EU would send strongly worded letters back and THEN destroy the ships. #yurop


Also, Landenburg, I really like that flag.

[Malgrave]

Russian aircraft disrupted UK aviation'.

He said the bombers did not file a flight plan, did not have their transponders switched on and "weren't talking to air traffic control".

I've heard of similar incidents impacting civilian authorities in other countries. What is Russia thinking? Endangering the lives of air traffic is crazy.

[Lytenburgh]

Students in Ukraine have sent a video to their counterparts in Russia telling them to doubt everything in an attempt counter Kremlin propaganda.

A good one! Coming from the country that suppresses Russian TV and Radio channeks, where all Media outlets are controlled by the Oligarchs (an illustrated guide for your use), and where actually exists both the Ministry of Information and (since this summer) a snumber of strickt guidelines for journalists how to "cover" the events in the East.

Besides - why this undoubtedly patriotic younger citizens of the Ukraine (and future cheap labor for the EU) debased themselves to speak not in "sweet as nightingale's song" Ukrainian, but in псячья гавкота of the language, that their younger siblings still living in the Ukraine, probably, won't even know - if persons like Irina Farion and other нацiонально свiдомie would gain an opportunity to reform the Ukrainian education?

It appears this conflict has concerned Belarus with Alexander Lukashenko coming out and declaring that Belarus is an independent state and will never be a part of the so-called Russian world.

No, this is classical Бацька and his "Gib me money plox!" scheme, tried and tested since... 2010, at least. On the one hand - he wants some money for himslef (and, maybe, even for Byelarus) from Russia to reward his "sufferings", plus he appears really "independent" and "not bowing to the Kremlin" to the West, desperately hoping that some "independent NGO" in the light of new facts won't launch a Maydan in his country.

Russia's representative to the OSCE has urged the West to stop supporting Kyiv and indulging its party of war. I think all of these statements from Russian representatives just highlights how out of touch and delusional their message has become since the outbreak of war.

I agree. He must have talked to the US directly.

[Herargon]

Students in Ukraine have sent a video to their counterparts in Russia telling them to doubt everything in an attempt counter Kremlin propaganda.

A good one! Coming from the country that suppresses Russian TV and Radio channeks, where all Media outlets are controlled by the Oligarchs (an illustrated guide for your use), and where actually exists both the Ministry of Information and (since this summer) a snumber of strickt guidelines for journalists how to "cover" the events in the East.

Besides - why this undoubtedly patriotic younger citizens of the Ukraine (and future cheap labor for the EU) debased themselves to speak not in "sweet as nightingale's song" Ukrainian, but it псячья гавкота of the language, that their younger siblings still living in the Ukraine, probably, won't even know - if persons like Irina Farion and other нацiонально свiдомie would gain an opportunity to reform the Ukrainian education?

It appears this conflict has concerned Belarus with Alexander Lukashenko coming out and declaring that Belarus is an independent state and will never be a part of the so-called Russian world.

No, this is classical Бацька and his "Gib me money plox!" scheme, tried and tested since... 2010, at least. On the one hand - he wants some money for himslef (and, maybe, even for Byelarus) from Russia to reward his "sufferings", plus he appears really "independent" and "not bowing to the Kremlin" to the West, desperately hoping that some "independent NGO" in the light of new facts won't launch a Maydan in his country.

Russia's representative to the OSCE has urged the West to stop supporting Kyiv and indulging its party of war. I think all of these statements from Russian representatives just highlights how out of touch and delusional their message has become since the outbreak of war.

I agree. He must have talked to the US directly.

About your first one.

Russia also suppresses Ukrainian TV. Your argument is invalid. No, you can't argue against nor with me.
Also, the media in Russia is controlled by oligarchs and especially Putin too. So that's another ''tu quoque'' argument coming down from you.
Resistance against proven facts is futile.

[Lytenburgh]

About your first one.

Russia also suppresses Ukrainian TV. Your argument is invalid. No, you can't argue against nor with me.

Can you prove it? Because I can prove, that the Ukraine has banned the broadcasting of 15 Russian channels on itsterritory (which HRW even found "newswothy" and decryid in their usual manner), while I can here, in Russia, acces Ukrainian Media. Care to rpovide any proofs?

Also, the media in Russia is controlled by oligarchs and especially Putin too. So that's another ''tu quoque'' argument coming down from you.
Resistance against proven facts is futile.

If you'd say that Media is controlled by the State - I'd made an attempt to believe you. Actually, it is you, who are indulging in 'tu quoque'' argument here.

[Washington Resistance Army]

About your first one.

Russia also suppresses Ukrainian TV. Your argument is invalid. No, you can't argue against nor with me.
Also, the media in Russia is controlled by oligarchs and especially Putin too. So that's another ''tu quoque'' argument coming down from you.
Resistance against proven facts is futile.

No no Heragon, Russia is the best and has no oligarchs. If you disagree you're a Russophobic westerner.

[Geilinor]

Students in Ukraine have sent a video to their counterparts in Russia telling them to doubt everything in an attempt counter Kremlin propaganda.

A good one! Coming from the country that suppresses Russian TV and Radio channeks, where all Media outlets are controlled by the Oligarchs (an illustrated guide for your use), and where actually exists both the Ministry of Information and (since this summer) a snumber of strickt guidelines for journalists how to "cover" the events in the East.
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Channels owned by the Russian government, yes, but not privately owned ones as far as I know.

[Malgrave]

A good one! Coming from the country that suppresses Russian TV and Radio channeks, where all Media outlets are controlled by the Oligarchs (an illustrated guide for your use),

I understand that Ukraine is not the paradigm of press freedoms but is the same not true in Russia? I posted this article recent about a Tatar news channel being raided by the occupying authorities.

and where actually exists both the Ministry of Information and (since this summer) a snumber of strickt guidelines for journalists how to "cover" the events in the East.

and what is the responsibility of this Ministry of Information Policy? It was created because the Ukrainian authorities wanted to respond to the wave of propaganda coming from Russia. I'm not particularly in favour of the Ministry but Russia has the same thing going on.

Besides - why this undoubtedly patriotic younger citizens of the Ukraine (and future cheap labor for the EU) debased themselves to speak not in "sweet as nightingale's song" Ukrainian, but it псячья гавкота of the language, that their younger siblings still living in the Ukraine, probably, won't even know - if persons like Irina Farion and other нацiонально свiдомie would gain an opportunity to reform the Ukrainian education?

Why do I get the feeling that the message is particularly offensive?

No, this is classical Бацька and his "Gib me money plox!" scheme, tried and tested since... 2010, at least. On the one hand - he wants some money for himslef (and, maybe, even for Byelarus) from Russia to reward his "sufferings", plus he appears really "independent" and "not bowing to the Kremlin" to the West, desperately hoping that some "independent NGO" in the light of new facts won't launch a Maydan in his country.

Belarus has been suffering recently due to its deep connections with Russia. I'm no fan of the current dictator of Belarus but recent movements out of the country suggest that he is trying to distance himself from Russia in case of future sanctions put in place by the EU.

I agree. He must have talked to the US directly.

You should read the recent statements from Putin and company about the situation in Ukraine. It is like living in an alternate reality.

[Malgrave]

Lytenburgh, I remember you making several posts about the supposed massacre that took place in Mariupol last year when it was first taken by separatist forces. An interesting investigation on the events of the day have actually busted many myths that popped up after the event and point a nasty finger on the separatist forces.

[Costa Fierro]

Agreed, and what can Russia do? The EU entirely surrounds Bosnia-Herzegovina, Serbia, Montenegro (and Kosovo, if you acknowledge them as a sovereign nation).

Vacationers arriving by warships cruise ships (who are merely armed to protect them from fascists) over the Adriatic Sea.

Serbs probably start removing kebabs again.

It appears this conflict has concerned Belarus with Alexander Lukashenko coming out and declaring that Belarus is an independent state and will never be a part of the so-called Russian world.

You know you've fucked up badly when even someone as pro-Russia as Lukashenko says something like this.

[United Marxist Nations]

I don't know why Lukashenko has to keep reiterating this though. After all, if Belarus was ever invaded, his godlike power would easily make all of Russia (not just the soldiers, every single person, including Putin) defect to Belarus, which would procede to declare the Soviet Union under the leadership of the Byelorussian SSR.

[Costa Fierro]

I don't know why Lukashenko has to keep reiterating this though. After all, if Belarus was ever invaded, his godlike power would easily make all of Russia (not just the soldiers, every single person, including Putin) defect to Belarus, which would procede to declare the Soviet Union under the leadership of the Byelorussian SSR.

Lukashenko is a lesser God, obviously.