Ukraine Megathread: Crimea River Build a Bridge, Get Over It

[The balkens]

NATO has intercepted three times as many Russian incursions this year compared to last year.

Putin is just getting some mileage before the oil prices bite him in his tight ass.

[Lyttenburg]

Russia is in the middle of a war.

I wouldn't doubt it.

Although before Putin get's too agressive, shouldn't he begin with Chechnya?

I anticipate a breathtaking and highly illuminating lecture from you, Roski, answering the question:

"Why Chechnya?"

[Lyttenburg]

NATO has intercepted three times as many Russian incursions this year compared to last year.

Putin is just getting some mileage before the oil prices bite him in his tight ass.

Quite a number of the USA so called "allies" also depend on the oil prices. So, it is unlikely, that Powers That Be would allow them to fall compleltely.

[Roski]

Russia is in the middle of a war.

I wouldn't doubt it.

Although before Putin get's too agressive, shouldn't he begin with Chechnya?

I anticipate a breathtaking and highly illuminating lecture from you, Roski, answering the question:

"Why Chechnya?"

Oh you know...

Just the ongoing war that has been in place since America was a toddler.

With five major attacks since Russia left its old Soviet Ways.

[The balkens]

Putin is just getting some mileage before the oil prices bite him in his tight ass.

Quite a number of the USA so called "allies" also depend on the oil prices. So, it is unlikely, that Powers That Be would allow them to fall compleltely.

Good thing they are getting it from us then!

and give Putin a call for me, apparently he wants me to wear a bear suit. No idea what that is about.

[Lyttenburg]

Oh you know...

Just the ongoing war that has been in place since America was a toddler.

With five major attacks since Russia left its old Soviet Ways.

An I supposed to be awed with you posting just some articles from Wikidorkia?

It appears to me, Roski, that you (and a large chunk of ordinary Westerners) know nothing about modern day Chechnya.

Now, as of the time of this post writing, there is no war in Chechnya. Period.

IF you have some information, about the ongoing (i.e. happening right now) military conflict in Chechnya, or about the impending massive islamist rebelion here - please, share with us.

[Baltenstein]

So, have the West and Ukraine accepted that they're not getting Crimea back yet?

I'm still waiting for the maps to change to reflect the De-Facto situation

And why would that happen? There are no international maps recognizing the Israeli settlements in the West Bank or the Turkish occupation of Northern Cyprus, nor will there ever.

[West Aurelia]

NATO says Russian jets, bombers circle Europe in unusual incidents - The Washington Post.

NATO said Wednesday that it had intercepted a large number of Russian aircraft flying close to European airspace in the past two days, in an “unusual” series of incidents that brought Russian bombers as far afield as Portugal.

The aircraft — at least 19 in all — offered reminders of Russian air power at a time of the worst relations between the West and Russia since the Cold War. Russian military aircraft have significantly increased their activity in Europe since the conflict in Ukraine began earlier this year, with NATO scrambling to intercept aircraft more than 100 times in 2014. But a NATO official said the scale of the latest incidents was the most provocative this year.

Over the Atlantic Ocean and the North, Black and Baltic seas, Russian bombers, fighter jets and tanker aircraft were detected flying in international airspace, NATO said. There were no incursions into national airspace, a violation of sovereignty that would have significantly amplified the seriousness of the four incidents, three of which took place on Wednesday.

[Lyttenburg]

NATO says Russian jets, bombers circle Europe in unusual incidents - The Washington Post.

NATO said Wednesday that it had intercepted a large number of Russian aircraft flying close to European airspace in the past two days, in an “unusual” series of incidents that brought Russian bombers as far afield as Portugal.

The aircraft — at least 19 in all — offered reminders of Russian air power at a time of the worst relations between the West and Russia since the Cold War. Russian military aircraft have significantly increased their activity in Europe since the conflict in Ukraine began earlier this year, with NATO scrambling to intercept aircraft more than 100 times in 2014. But a NATO official said the scale of the latest incidents was the most provocative this year.

Over the Atlantic Ocean and the North, Black and Baltic seas, Russian bombers, fighter jets and tanker aircraft were detected flying in international airspace, NATO said. There were no incursions into national airspace, a violation of sovereignty that would have significantly amplified the seriousness of the four incidents, three of which took place on Wednesday.

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[United Marxist Nations]

So, have the West and Ukraine accepted that they're not getting Crimea back yet?

I'm still waiting for the maps to change to reflect the De-Facto situation

And why would that happen? There are no international maps recognizing the Israeli settlements in the West Bank or the Turkish occupation of Northern Cyprus, nor will there ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation ... c_response

[Korva]

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You seem to forget which side has the overwhelming military and economic advantage.

[The Carlisle]

And why would that happen? There are no international maps recognizing the Israeli settlements in the West Bank or the Turkish occupation of Northern Cyprus, nor will there ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation ... c_response

So only one, Mail.ru, has changed their maps to put Crimea in Russia.

Well, looks like its de-facto. Here that everyone, Crimean are Russians now!

Must be the idea that lessens core cost.

[Constantinopolis]

So, have the West and Ukraine accepted that they're not getting Crimea back yet?

I'm still waiting for the maps to change to reflect the De-Facto situation

You may be waiting a long time. Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Somaliland (among others) have been de facto independent for almost 25 years, and they're still not on any world maps.

Not to mention Northern Cyprus, de facto independent since the 1970s, and still unrecognized.

Modern international relations seem to be based on a very intense denial of reality sometimes.

[Neoconstantius]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation ... c_response

So only one, Mail.ru, has changed their maps to put Crimea in Russia.

Well, looks like its de-facto. Here that everyone, Crimean are Russians now!

Must be the idea that lessens core cost.

Crimeans have been Russians for a long, long time.

[The Carlisle]

So only one, Mail.ru, has changed their maps to put Crimea in Russia.

Well, looks like its de-facto. Here that everyone, Crimean are Russians now!

Must be the idea that lessens core cost.

Crimeans have been Russians for a long, long time.

Yeah, seven months is a pretty long time.

[Estruia]

So only one, Mail.ru, has changed their maps to put Crimea in Russia.

Well, looks like its de-facto. Here that everyone, Crimean are Russians now!

Must be the idea that lessens core cost.

Crimeans have been Russians for a long, long time.

*Some

[Constantinopolis]

Crimeans have been Russians for a long, long time.

Yeah, seven months is a pretty long time.

He means ethnic Russians. A plurality of Crimeans have been ethnic Russians for over a hundred years.

[The Carlisle]

Yeah, seven months is a pretty long time.

He means ethnic Russians. A plurality of Crimeans have been ethnic Russians for over a hundred years.

And I meant Russian as being a recognized part of the Russian state.

[The balkens]

NATO says Russian jets, bombers circle Europe in unusual incidents - The Washington Post.

NATO said Wednesday that it had intercepted a large number of Russian aircraft flying close to European airspace in the past two days, in an “unusual” series of incidents that brought Russian bombers as far afield as Portugal.

The aircraft — at least 19 in all — offered reminders of Russian air power at a time of the worst relations between the West and Russia since the Cold War. Russian military aircraft have significantly increased their activity in Europe since the conflict in Ukraine began earlier this year, with NATO scrambling to intercept aircraft more than 100 times in 2014. But a NATO official said the scale of the latest incidents was the most provocative this year.

Over the Atlantic Ocean and the North, Black and Baltic seas, Russian bombers, fighter jets and tanker aircraft were detected flying in international airspace, NATO said. There were no incursions into national airspace, a violation of sovereignty that would have significantly amplified the seriousness of the four incidents, three of which took place on Wednesday.

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[Oaledonia]

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I don't understand how NATO would fear anything from Russia, seeing as Russia isn't even capable of making war with the West.

[United Marxist Nations]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation ... c_response

So only one, Mail.ru, has changed their maps to put Crimea in Russia.

Well, looks like its de-facto. Here that everyone, Crimean are Russians now!

Must be the idea that lessens core cost.

It says that most of those display it as disputed territory, which means they recognize both claims. And it is de-facto, and Crimeans have been Russians for a long time. Just like Poles inside the Russian Empire were still Polish, not Russian; Ukrainians were Ukrainians, not Russians under the Russian Empire, and so on and so forth.

[Constantinopolis]

I don't understand how NATO would fear anything from Russia, seeing as Russia isn't even capable of making war with the West.

All this talk about who has the most awesome weapons is about as relevant as measuring penis length. It doesn't matter, because there will never be a war between NATO and Russia.

[The Carlisle]

So only one, Mail.ru, has changed their maps to put Crimea in Russia.

Well, looks like its de-facto. Here that everyone, Crimean are Russians now!

Must be the idea that lessens core cost.

It says that most of those display it as disputed territory, which means they recognize both claims. And it is de-facto, and Crimeans have been Russians for a long time. Just like Poles inside the Russian Empire were still Polish, not Russian; Ukrainians were Ukrainians, not Russians under the Russian Empire, and so on and so forth.

Labeling as disputed territory =/= recognizing both claims. They labeled it as such because Russia illegally annexed Crimea and retain control over it. Since Ukraine is the de jure controller of the region, they made the area "disputed". Its similar to The Halaib triangle, as it is also labeled as disputed. Egypt holds control of the region but it is de jure Sudanese territory. Or even better, Northern Cyprus, as it is labeled as disputed as well. "Disputed" just means that countries are contesting over said territory. It does not mean recognition of both claims at all.

Plus, Google has been changing the map borders to fit with local country sites.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/22/google-maps-russia-crimea-federation

So they are being selective on what to display in the disputing countries.

And anyways, Google is a business, not a state. So they'll be selective if it means better relations with countries. And even if they start supporting claims, it will matter little in the international system.

And when I said that, I was referring to Russian as a subject of the Russian State, not the ethnicity.

[Malgrave]

Russia Today called this mission a joint American-Russian project before the crash but after it managed to transform into an American-Ukrainian project. Just shows how desperate propaganda outlets are sometimes.

propaganda failure

A Russian tank on holiday has been captured in Ukraine

Yeah, about that. Malgrave, do you even read/speak Russian? I'm asking this just to know, whether you are misinforming people deliberately or due to your ignorance?

On the left picture we can read: "The launch of Russo-American Rocket "Antares" bound to ISS was successful" and date - 18 September 2013.

On the right picture we can read: "In the USA during the launch exploded an Ukrainian-American rocket " and date - 29 October 2014.

The thing is, my inquisitive Russophobes, that "Antares" type rockets are fucking expendable launch systems. I.e. "one shots". The one that were successful was Russian. The one that go ballistic was Ukrainian.

P.S. Obligatory:

Слава Украiне! Хероям Слава!

I personally don't know the Russian language but I had someone translate the picture for me. I don't think it adds up to me misinforming anyone since the information I provided was correct. I think you are just trying to deflect from my original point.

Antares is powered by a AJ-26. An old NK-33 that has been refurbished and modified by Aerojet after being in storage. Orbital Sciences lacked experience with liquid propellant stages, so they contracted the Ukrainian Yuzhnoye with the second solid state stage being contracted out to ATK

I can't find any major component of Antares that was manufactured in modern-day Russia. I was just highlighting that RT was quick to claim a connection to the successful launch (despite having no major modern connection to the thing) but quick to point out its link to Ukraine after failure.

In other news it seems like the tradition of historical revisionism is continuing in Russia. I think it is bizarre that a group of Russian high-school students had the deciding votes during a conference on history of nazi war crimes.

An interesting article on how the sanctions are not only hurting the Russian economy but Presidents Putins grip on power

[Occupied Deutschland]

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In other news it seems like the tradition of historical revisionism is continuing in Russia. I think it is bizarre that a group of Russian high-school students had the deciding votes during a conference on history of nazi war crimes.
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Honestly, based on other Russian actions on the topic, I'm kind of surprised the hosts allowed a vote whatsoever on the resolution instead of just saying 'Crimea River' in broken English to their German/Czech/Slovak/etc. guests.
Or didn't just have them abducted by a local self-defense force with weapons from the corner store to allow the vote to go on unimpeded by fascistic questioners.
Or didn't only give the options of 'I support this resolution' and 'this resolution should pass' during the vote.

Really, it's somewhat of a victory for the ones who spoke up at the conference when you think about it...Lets just hope none of them get a polonium-coffee served to them in the future.