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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:16 pm

Zanubiyala wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Do you have evidence to back your statement up?


Yes, I do.
http://www.naturalnews.com/035080_vacci ... _pets.html

Your source is a crock of biased shit. Get something reasonable, please.
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Postby Dalcaria » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:17 pm

Zanubiyala wrote:I am anti-vaccination, God made natural cures (herbs, spices, plants, ect,ect) in addition to prayer

God also gave us intelligent thought and creativity. Should we ignore these gifts? For the record everyone, I am a Christian, and no I don't subscribe to this idea of prayers only. God gave us tools to use, not using something he gave us is rather silly.
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Postby Condunum » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:18 pm

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Condunum wrote:Original source I think
It's absolutely true, and a very well known fact among veterinarians. There's been great strides in reducing the risk, which is why the vaccines only cause 1 in 10,000 cats to have sarcomas.

Unfortunately (or fortunately), we are not sentient cats, so it is really doubtful that this vaccine that works only on cats (I think) can serve as proof that all vaccines cause cancer. So unless you are 1000 Cats, you are unlikely to get cancer by this vaccine. ;)

I don't think cancer works that way, but yes :P
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Postby Luziyca » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:18 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:This nuttery is killing people.

Amen. As for the claim that autism is caused by vaccines...

1 in 68 American children have autism. The vaccination rate is around 100% for infants in many areas, so assuming the vaccination rate is say, 75% overall, it should imply that 75% of Americans have autism, which we all know is bull.

'nuff said.
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Postby Luziyca » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:20 pm

Condunum wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Unfortunately (or fortunately), we are not sentient cats, so it is really doubtful that this vaccine that works only on cats (I think) can serve as proof that all vaccines cause cancer. So unless you are 1000 Cats, you are unlikely to get cancer by this vaccine. ;)

I don't think cancer works that way, but yes :P

Yeah. Or any vaccine.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:31 pm

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Threlizdun wrote:Please be a shitty joke. Please be a shitty joke. Please be a shitty joke.



Im not a shitty joke, I believe these chemicals scientists poison people with aint right.


I guess I am in naturopathy school of medicine , I believe doctors should take the Hippocratic Oath.

I'm very religious and I still believe in regular medicine. The stuff works, and it doesn't conflict at all with Christianity.

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Postby The Fascist American Empire » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:37 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Why is being anti-vaxx an option? Make vaccination compulsory, educate people on the ways vaccines have saved hundreds of millions (if not billions) of lives.

In the U.S., states require children to be vaccinated in order to attend public school. However, all states except West Virginia and Mississippi allow religious exemption, and 20 other states allow parents to exempt on personal and philosophical objections.

I find these exemptions to be idiotic. It should be mandatory for everyone to get vaccinated, because anyone that isn't vaccinated poses a significant health risk to everyone around them.

See, Mississippi and West Virginia can do something right.

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Postby The Fascist American Empire » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:39 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:This nuttery is killing people.

Amen. As for the claim that autism is caused by vaccines...

1 in 68 American children have autism. The vaccination rate is around 100% for infants in many areas, so assuming the vaccination rate is say, 75% overall, it should imply that 75% of Americans have autism, which we all know is bull.

'nuff said.

I have a website page devoted to this. Let me get it.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:39 pm

The Fascist American Empire wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:In the U.S., states require children to be vaccinated in order to attend public school. However, all states except West Virginia and Mississippi allow religious exemption, and 20 other states allow parents to exempt on personal and philosophical objections.

I find these exemptions to be idiotic. It should be mandatory for everyone to get vaccinated, because anyone that isn't vaccinated poses a significant health risk to everyone around them.

See, Mississippi and West Virginia can do something right.

Probably the only thing those two states can do right. Honestly, I was surprised to learn that these states have mandatory vaccination.

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Postby Dalcaria » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:46 pm

Benuty wrote:
Opinion: I dedicate this one to noted cancer quack, vaccine fear monger, and noted so called "skeptic" Bill Maher....asshole.

Wait, Bill Maher as in "Religulous" Bill Maher, or another one?
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Postby Seno Zhou Varada » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:47 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:This nuttery is killing people.

Amen. As for the claim that autism is caused by vaccines...

1 in 68 American children have autism. The vaccination rate is around 100% for infants in many areas, so assuming the vaccination rate is say, 75% overall, it should imply that 75% of Americans have autism, which we all know is bull.

'nuff nothing proven said.

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Postby Benuty » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:48 pm

Dalcaria wrote:
Benuty wrote:
Opinion: I dedicate this one to noted cancer quack, vaccine fear monger, and noted so called "skeptic" Bill Maher....asshole.

Wait, Bill Maher as in "Religulous" Bill Maher, or another one?

Yes the one who tries to mask parts of his ignorance with satire, and other forms of comedy.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:48 pm

Vaccination is theft!
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Postby South Pacific Republic » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:51 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:Vaccination is theft!


Letting someone get sick from something so easily preventable is theft?

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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:51 pm

Zanubiyala wrote:I am anti-vaccination, God made natural cures (herbs, spices, plants, ect,ect) in addition to prayer


Do you honestly think that your God would care if humans make even better "cured" to live longer, happier lives, often using remedies from plants to do so?
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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:51 pm

South Pacific Republic wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:Vaccination is theft!


Letting someone get sick from something so easily preventable is theft?


I'm fairlt certain that he's being sarcastic.
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Postby Carbon based lifeforms » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:51 pm

Dalcaria wrote:
Benuty wrote:
Opinion: I dedicate this one to noted cancer quack, vaccine fear monger, and noted so called "skeptic" Bill Maher....asshole.

Wait, Bill Maher as in "Religulous" Bill Maher, or another one?

Don't let his religious scepticism fool you. There are two kinds of atheists: those who thought long and hard about it, and those who just enjoy being contrarian. Bill Maher is the latter.
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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:52 pm

Carbon based lifeforms wrote:
Dalcaria wrote:Wait, Bill Maher as in "Religulous" Bill Maher, or another one?

Don't let his religious scepticism fool you. There are two kinds of atheists: those who thought long and hard about it, and those who just enjoy being contrarian. Bill Maher is the latter.


Completely agreed. I watched his documentary on religion, and it provided no credible points as to why religion is "wrong."
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Postby Fralinia » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:55 pm

Zanubiyala wrote:I am anti-vaccination.

You are also wrong.
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Postby Cerillium » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:57 pm

If God didn't believe in using things to heal others he wouldn't have slapped mud on the blind man's face and told him to go wash in the pool. He would have just touched him and cured him instantly.
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Postby Cyrisnia » Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:59 pm

Zanubiyala wrote:I am anti-vaccination, God made natural cures (herbs, spices, plants, ect,ect) in addition to prayer

*Coughs on you*
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Postby Benuty » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:02 pm

Cyrisnia wrote:
Zanubiyala wrote:I am anti-vaccination, God made natural cures (herbs, spices, plants, ect,ect) in addition to prayer

*Coughs on you*

*Morgan Freeman begins talking "Unfortunately for our friend that was the cough of death without vaccination he died in less than a week. The virus unfortunately mutated, going on to plague the United States, and the rest of the world for years before a vaccine could be successfully tested. By the time the debacle was over 4 out of every 10 people had died. This my friends is why ignorance is immoral"*
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Postby Cyrisnia » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:03 pm

Benuty wrote:
Cyrisnia wrote:*Coughs on you*

*Morgan Freeman begins talking "Unfortunately for our friend that was the cough of death without vaccination he died in less than a week. The virus unfortunately mutated, going on to plague the United States, and the rest of the world for years before a vaccine could be successfully testing. By the time the debacle was over 4 out of every 10 people had died. This my friends is why ignorance is immoral"*

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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:06 pm

Benuty wrote:
Cyrisnia wrote:*Coughs on you*

*Morgan Freeman begins talking "Unfortunately for our friend that was the cough of death without vaccination he died in less than a week. The virus unfortunately mutated, going on to plague the United States, and the rest of the world for years before a vaccine could be successfully tested. By the time the debacle was over 4 out of every 10 people had died. This my friends is why ignorance is immoral"*

That's horribly sad.
The toll of anti-vaccine fools can be measured in bodies.
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Postby Othelos » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:09 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Condunum wrote:Original source I think
It's absolutely true, and a very well known fact among veterinarians. There's been great strides in reducing the risk, which is why the vaccines only cause 1 in 10,000 cats to have sarcomas.

Unfortunately (or fortunately), we are not sentient cats, so it is really doubtful that this vaccine that works only on cats (I think) can serve as proof that all vaccines cause cancer. So unless you are 1000 Cats, you are unlikely to get cancer by this vaccine. ;)

1000cats....sounds familiar

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