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Do you support the return of firing squads

Yes
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39%
No
26
10%
In some cases
42
17%
Not painful enough of a death
19
8%
No I am against the death sentence
66
27%
 
Total votes : 249

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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:17 pm

Capital Punishment is a terrible, and expensive ideal, and using firing squads won't cheapen it or make it somehow more "moral."
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Postby Solaray » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:24 pm

Well if you must have the death penalty, firing squad would be the best option. It's quick, humane, and slightly badass. Though it'd be better to just not have a death penalty.
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Postby Lalaki » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:27 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:Capital Punishment is a terrible, and expensive ideal, and using firing squads won't cheapen it or make it somehow more "moral."


Well said.
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Postby Solaray » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:55 pm

Lalaki wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:Capital Punishment is a terrible, and expensive ideal, and using firing squads won't cheapen it or make it somehow more "moral."


Well said.

Well, ideally it would make it quicker, and more humane, so it would sort of make it a bit more moral. But, ultimately, it's much better, both ethically and practically, to go without the death penalty.
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:59 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Explain, especially the "unfair" bit.


I find that capital punishment is unfair, because you're involuntarily taking away the life of another person. Therefore, I find firing squads unfair.


What about for murderers? They took another's life involuntarily, so we're returning the favor.

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Postby Geilinor » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:01 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
I find that capital punishment is unfair, because you're involuntarily taking away the life of another person. Therefore, I find firing squads unfair.


What about for murderers? They took another's life involuntarily, so we're returning the favor.

What will "returning the favor" accomplish?
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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:05 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
I find that capital punishment is unfair, because you're involuntarily taking away the life of another person. Therefore, I find firing squads unfair.


What about for murderers? They took another's life involuntarily, so we're returning the favor.


Returning the favor? That's a silly, completely un-empathetic concept. Murderers are often deeply troubled people, and despite their horrible actions, we're obliged to help them. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see murderers released back into the streets once imprisoned, I just find it unethical and hypocritical to execute them.
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Lavan Tiri
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:05 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Lavan Tiri wrote:
What about for murderers? They took another's life involuntarily, so we're returning the favor.

What will "returning the favor" accomplish?

Removal of a murderer, perhaps some sense of closure for the victim's friends and family, and also a feeling of safety for the community. Plus showing people that death is what you get when you kill someone for no reason.

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Postby Othelos » Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:17 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:
Geilinor wrote:What will "returning the favor" accomplish?

Removal of a murderer, perhaps some sense of closure for the victim's friends and family, and also a feeling of safety for the community.

Can be accomplished by throwing them into prison for life.

Lavan Tiri wrote:Plus showing people that death is what you get when you kill someone for no reason.

So, since killing is wrong, we should kill people?
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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:19 pm

Lavan Tiri wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
I find that capital punishment is unfair, because you're involuntarily taking away the life of another person. Therefore, I find firing squads unfair.


What about for murderers? They took another's life involuntarily, so we're returning the favor.

This "eye for an eye" attitude doesn't work, and it has been proven not to work. Even still, it's unethical, hypocritical, and barbaric.

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Postby Haktiva » Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:22 pm

Give the guy a chance to die like a man. They at least deserve that.

Or in the case of a woman… well I guess die like a man still applies.
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Postby Pandeeria » Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:22 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Explain, especially the "unfair" bit.


I find that capital punishment is unfair, because you're involuntarily taking away the life of another person. Therefore, I find firing squads unfair.

Oh, oh, I thought you meant that purely firing squads were unfair.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:35 am

Lavan Tiri wrote:
Geilinor wrote:What will "returning the favor" accomplish?

Removal of a murderer, perhaps some sense of closure for the victim's friends and family, and also a feeling of safety for the community. Plus showing people that death is what you get when you kill someone for no reason.


Please provide one instance of someone killing another person "for no reason." If it does occur, it's extremely likely the culprit has mental issues and that makes executing them even worse.

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Kolvartia
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Postby Kolvartia » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:45 am

The Scientific States wrote:
Lavan Tiri wrote:
What about for murderers? They took another's life involuntarily, so we're returning the favor.


Returning the favor? That's a silly, completely un-empathetic concept. Murderers are often deeply troubled people, and despite their horrible actions, we're obliged to help them. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see murderers released back into the streets once imprisoned, I just find it unethical and hypocritical to execute them.


Then, would you give amnesty to the german officers hanged in Nuremberg?

Would you have said that when Wehrmacht generals such as Wilhelm Keitel and Alfred Jodl were executed?

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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:57 am

We shouldn't have a death penalty; its expensive, pointless and frankly an easy way out from the offender. However if we are going to have it, what is wrong with injection? Not the cocktails they use in US which screws up but simple large doses of propofol followed by potassium cyanide. Less messier and frankly less toll on whoever is carrying out the execution.
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Postby Waideland » Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:01 am

This sums up my opinion in its entirety.

http://youtu.be/Hyph_DZa_GQ

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Postby Scomagia » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:49 am

Zottistan wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Death penalty isn't cheap. Source that it deters crime.

It's only expensive because of the legal measures associated with executing people. Statistics say it probably doesn't deter crime, but it's not even about deterrence, or punishment. It's just that there's no reason to keep people who are dangers to society and beyond rehabilitation alive.

@OP, there are probably cheaper methods then firing squads, but I'm not that much of a penny-pincher. It's a valid method, I guess.

And how, exactly, does one determine that a person is beyond rehabilitation in a society that does not practice rehabilitation?
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:50 am

Zottistan wrote:
Apparatchikstan wrote:Don't need a whole squad. Just strap the condemned to a chair, hand the aggrieved party seeking vengeance a service pistol and let them put one in the chest and head.

That's a good way to traumatize the victim further.

If they're sick enough that they're willing to pull the trigger, fuck em.
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Postby Zottistan » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:53 am

Scomagia wrote:
Zottistan wrote:It's only expensive because of the legal measures associated with executing people. Statistics say it probably doesn't deter crime, but it's not even about deterrence, or punishment. It's just that there's no reason to keep people who are dangers to society and beyond rehabilitation alive.

@OP, there are probably cheaper methods then firing squads, but I'm not that much of a penny-pincher. It's a valid method, I guess.

And how, exactly, does one determine that a person is beyond rehabilitation in a society that does not practice rehabilitation?

Well, firstly by starting to practise rehabilitation. I would have thought that much was obvious.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:55 am

Zottistan wrote:
Scomagia wrote:And how, exactly, does one determine that a person is beyond rehabilitation in a society that does not practice rehabilitation?

Well, firstly by starting to practise rehabilitation. I would have thought that much was obvious.

So we should ban the death penalty until we actually start practicing rehabilitation.
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Postby Zottistan » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:57 am

Scomagia wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Well, firstly by starting to practise rehabilitation. I would have thought that much was obvious.

So we should ban the death penalty until we actually start practicing rehabilitation.

Sure, I guess.

This isn't an opposition to the death penalty. This is an opposition to the death penalty in certain situations.
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Postby Jichang » Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:53 pm

The US should just use firing squad, hanging and maybe beheading by guillotine to carry out executions, these methods are more humane than electrocution or lethal injection.
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Postby Britannic Realms » Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:58 pm

In regards to the death penalty, I think it should only be used for treason and most grievous of crimes.

When it comes to method, hanging is quick and easy.
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Postby Aahmerica » Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:06 pm

Scomagia wrote:A firing squad would be acceptable only if every citizen were put into a lottery to be on the firing squad. If a society is willing to have barbaric practices as law, they should be forced to take part in them and not shunt the burden onto someone else.


Can we enter more than once? Increase my chances to be selected?
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Postby Neo Industrium » Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:50 pm

Waideland wrote:This sums up my opinion in its entirety.

http://youtu.be/Hyph_DZa_GQ


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