Is fascism compatible with capitalism?

[Terseti]

I was reading the Wikipedia article on "Fascism and economics" and it says that fascism lacks an economic ideology. I've read a few things about fascism here and there and it seems like they ardently reject both capitalism and socialism. But is fascism compatible with a capitalist economy? Also, is fascist compatible with a socialist economy?

[United Marxist Nations]

Fascism is capitalism is decay; it is, in essence, government intervention to prevent capitalism from being destroyed.

[The Serbian Empire]

I believe it's not compatible with capitalism unless it's state capitalism.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Fascism is compatible with capitalism.

Fascism is almost essentially incompatible with workplace democracy, so no chance for socialism, given how it needs a stable and sustainable social environment in which workplace democracy's prerequisites can be maintained.

[Arkolon]

Fascism is far from being capitalistic. It is closer to communism in practice.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Fascism is capitalism is decay; it is, in essence, government intervention to prevent capitalism from being destroyed.

There's also this but hell I'm not going to have an ideological dispute in a >60% capitalist, ~30% laissez faire-supporting forum in subjects like these

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Fascism is far from being capitalistic. It is closer to communism in practice.

[Estado Nacional]

Fascism is inherently anti-capitalist. It's entire raison d'être is to pose as an alternative to both capitalism and socialism. Fascist economics generally put a lot of emphasis on autarky, syndicalism and corporatism.

[Blazedtown]

Fascism is an early industrial era alternative to Capitalism, which much the other competing alternative, communism, failed utterly and led to some of the most despotic and horrible regimes in history. Both are dead ideologies consigned to the history books as failures.

[Vashtanaraada]

Fascism is just harsher capitalism.
You be the judge of whether it'd be compatible.
The interesting bit is whether it'd work; and the answer is no.

[Poseidon Divison]

Alright all these people are wrong.

Fascism; 3rd Position is called this way because it is neither right nor left winged, it has as its only goal to improve the conditions of life of its citizens, and develop the nation as a whole. It is an enemy of these entities that abuse you and your people, and an enemy of the corporate fascism undertaken during Salazar's New State.


Fascism is an economic system in which a nation's government plays a central role in monitoring all banking, trade, production, and labor activity which takes place within the nation. Such monitoring is done for the sole purpose of safeguarding & advancing the nation and its people. Under Fascism, the government will not approve of any business activity unless that business has a positive impact on the nation as a whole and the people of the nation - this is the axiom which determines everything within the economic aspect of Fascism.

This principle only works if:
-The Regime's doctrine is based around the Nation's cultural values
-The sense of National unity remains present
-And the State functions as a tool of the People that administrates and rules to maintain the health, functioning -and the development of society, by defending its interests as a whole.


Fascism is based on free enterprise - but with constraints (the primary constraint being, "Is the particular economic activity in question good for our nation/people?"). Also, a businessman can become wealthy in a Fascist country, and the government has no objection to this (this is in stark contrast to Communism). Fascism also encourages private ownership of property (again, in stark contrast to Communism where private property is not allowed).

In a nutshell, Fascism basically tells entrepreneurs, "Go ahead and start a business, earn a lot of money, be successful, but don't produce any products or services which damage our nation and our nation's people... and make sure you treat your workers fair and pay them a living wage. If you don't follow these rules, we'll shut you down."

Due to fascism being third-position. It is Anti-Communist and Anti-Capitalist.

[Greater Istanistan]

Eeyup. I'd agree with United Marxist Nations.

[Pandeeria]

Yes, it's easily compatible. Both State and Private Enterprise can and does exist under fascism, the extent of which changes radically from regime to regime.

[Arkolon]

Fascism is far from being capitalistic. It is closer to communism in practice.

Notice the words "in practice". Stalin was no less a tinpot genocidal despot than Hitler.

Points for Godwin?

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

It's entire raison d'être is to pose as an alternative to both capitalism and socialism.

Ideologia por ideologia (since we're fond of using Romance in the middle of English sentences), socialism was almost never tried if we are supposed to get into petty details.

Fascism is an early industrial era alternative to Capitalism, which much the other competing alternative, communism, failed utterly and led to some of the most despotic and horrible regimes in history. Both are dead ideologies consigned to the history books as failures.

Not even close.

[Vashtanaraada]

Fascism is inherently anti-capitalist. It's entire raison d'être is to pose as an alternative to both capitalism and socialism. Fascist economics generally put a lot of emphasis on autarky, syndicalism and corporatism.

Corporatism's essentially state capitalism; and autarky is stealing other people's stuff to fund your own "profit"

[Estado Nacional]

Corporatism's essentially state capitalism;

Not exactly. Regardless, neither are capitalism.

and autarky is stealing other people's stuff to fund your own "profit"

...eer. No. Do you even know what autarky is?

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Notice the words "in practice". Stalin was no less a tinpot genocidal despot than Hitler.

Points for Godwin?

I expect you realize it's a hell of a false equivalency to equate an ideology that is centered on extreme libertarianism with Stalin just as much as it is to say you're equivalent to Opus Dei-level ultraconservatives because you're far on the right in the political spectrum.

[Poseidon Divison]

Fascism is inherently anti-capitalist. It's entire raison d'être is to pose as an alternative to both capitalism and socialism. Fascist economics generally put a lot of emphasis on autarky, syndicalism and corporatism.

Corporatism's essentially state capitalism; and autarky is stealing other people's stuff to fund your own "profit"

Obviously didn't read what I put above.

[Arkolon]

Fascism is inherently anti-capitalist. It's entire raison d'être is to pose as an alternative to both capitalism and socialism. Fascist economics generally put a lot of emphasis on autarky, syndicalism and corporatism.

Corporatism's essentially state capitalism; and autarky is stealing other people's stuff to fund your own "profit"

State capitalism is not veritable capitalism.

[Greater Istanistan]

Notice the words "in practice". Stalin was no less a tinpot genocidal despot than Hitler.

Points for Godwin?

Yes, both were despots. However, Fascism's intent is to preserve a class structre and focus on nationalism, while Socialism proposes instead the total elimination of class and economic disparity in favour of a state-supported society where all are equal. Both are authoritarian, yes, and in their extreme forms use the same means. But conflating the ends with the means used to achieve them is a deeply flawed premise.

As for Godwin:

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[Poseidon Divison]

Notice the words "in practice". Stalin was no less a tinpot genocidal despot than Hitler.

Points for Godwin?

Yes, both were despots. However, Fascism's intent is to preserve a class structre and focus on nationalism, while Socialism proposes instead the total elimination of class and economic disparity in favour of a state-supported society where all are equal. Both are authoritarian, yes, and in their extreme forms use the same means. But conflating the ends with the means used to achieve them is a deeply flawed premise.

As for Godwin:

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Arkolon - Lvl.2 Flailing Capitalist

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>Implying Salazar and Franco where despots.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

>Implying Salazar and Franco where despots.

IS THIS FOR REAL?

[Arkolon]

Notice the words "in practice". Stalin was no less a tinpot genocidal despot than Hitler.

Points for Godwin?

I expect you realize it's a hell of a false equivalency to equate an ideology that is centered on extreme libertarianism with Stalin just as much as it is to say you're equivalent to Opus Dei-level ultraconservatives because you're far on the right in the political spectrum.

The political compass has a second dimension. The reactionary-progressive dichotomy you're still trying to cling onto does not work on the political compass because it has a second axis. Your unidimensional dichotomy would resemble a y = x graph on the political compass, so even if you try to morph my ideology I still wouldn't be an ultraconservative or authoritarian.

Also, no true communist gets a little old very quickly.

[Estado Nacional]

Also, no true communist gets a little old very quickly.

It's gotten old a long time ago.