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Smacking Your Children is Good For Them

Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:38 pm

Because it prevents them fro committing suicide, going into prostitution or catching sexually transmitted diseases:

The anti-smacking law is to blame for youth suicide, youth prostitution and even sexually-transmitted infections, a leading Conservative party candidate claims.

Edward Saafi, who is fifth on the Conservative list and would be elected if they break the 5 per cent threshold, has delivered the striking message during recent speeches at Tongan churches, Fairfax has learned.

"We are starting to recognise the incidence of suicide going up in Pacific communities, especially the Tongan community and people are starting to understand the lead-on from this legislation.

"Once you pass it, children, rather than doing what mum and dad says, they go and commit suicide. It opens up another thing they could do," Saafi, who holds a doctorate in biomedicine, said.

Asked if he thought there was a direct link between the anti-smacking bill and youth suicide, Saafi said: "It's just common sense, really. It's our way of thinking parents have a role to look after their kids, including disciplining them. If the law tells the child that mum and dad can't discipline you any more, they will do whatever they want, including these other alternatives like suicide. It's quite appalling."


God approved!

So basically this is a candidate for the New Zealand Conservative Party says that smacking your children will prevent them from doing all sorts of terrible things. And whilst I do not agree with this man in particular, I do think that the anti-smacking law, which was passed in Labour's last term in 2007 and was the subject of a controversial referendum in 2009, had the best intentions but did not actively seek to reduce the horrific amount of domestic abuse this country suffers.

So the question to you NSG is not whether or not this man is correct (I used him merely to make Americans feel better about themselves) but whether or not the anti-smacking bill is an effective piece of legislation and whether or not it should remain as law. Because the way I see it, nothing has changed before or since the bill was introduced.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:42 pm

I think there's a party that needs a smacking to only get 4% of the vote. Otherwise, this Saafi fellow will be in office.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:43 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:I think there's a party that needs a smacking to only get 4% of the vote. Otherwise, this Saafi fellow will be in office.


They're polling at 4.6% at the moment.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:43 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:I think there's a party that needs a smacking to only get 4% of the vote. Otherwise, this Saafi fellow will be in office.


They're polling at 4.6% at the moment.

This is a surefire way to get 4% instead of 5%.
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Postby The Lithuanian-Surinamese Caliphate » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:45 pm

Nah, I don't think the anti-smacking bill will help anything. Not that I'm in favour of parents smacking their children...but legislation like this is not the way to go.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:46 pm

I was never smacked and I still behaved.

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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:46 pm

While I think a spanking for a young child every now and then they mess up, bad, helps them, I don't think it prevents suicide or prostitution.
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Postby The Fascist American Empire » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:47 pm

Well, how else are parents supposed to discipline children? I'm dead set against abuse, don't get me wrong, but this guy is kind of an alarmist.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:50 pm

The Fascist American Empire wrote:Well, how else are parents supposed to discipline children? I'm dead set against abuse, don't get me wrong, but this guy is kind of an alarmist.

Groundings, taking away privileges, and if all else fails, scare tactics.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:50 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
They're polling at 4.6% at the moment.

This is a surefire way to get 4% instead of 5%.


The political situation at the moment is a bit more complicated at the moment. Depending how how the government handles the current scandal, support for the Conservatives could stagnate or spike.
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Postby Pimps Inc » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:51 pm

I believe disciplining children when necessary is a great part of parenting.They need to respect elders.Now when I say discipline I don't mean

"Clean your room"

"No"

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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:52 pm

The Lithuanian-Surinamese Caliphate wrote:Nah, I don't think the anti-smacking bill will help anything. Not that I'm in favour of parents smacking their children...but legislation like this is not the way to go.


It was introduced to try and combat domestic violence but as of yet has not produced any discernible results. Youth suicide, for example, is at an all time high.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:52 pm

Pimps Inc wrote:I believe disciplining children when necessary is a great part of parenting.They need to respect elders.Now when I say discipline I don't mean

"Clean your room"

"No"

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Postby Scomagia » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:52 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
The Fascist American Empire wrote:Well, how else are parents supposed to discipline children? I'm dead set against abuse, don't get me wrong, but this guy is kind of an alarmist.

Groundings, taking away privileges, and if all else fails, scare tactics.

Basically treating the child like a human being and not like an old television.
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Postby Rebellious Fishermen » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:52 pm

Parents retain the right to smack their kids when necessary. Obviously there is a big difference between smacking a child in discipline and child abuse, but I think we can all understand that difference.

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Postby Scomagia » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:53 pm

Rebellious Fishermen wrote:Parents retain the right to smack their kids when necessary. Obviously there is a big difference between smacking a child in discipline and child abuse, but I think we can all understand that difference.

Even smacking like you describe is psychologically harmful.
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Postby The Fascist American Empire » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:53 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
The Fascist American Empire wrote:Well, how else are parents supposed to discipline children? I'm dead set against abuse, don't get me wrong, but this guy is kind of an alarmist.

Groundings, taking away privileges, and if all else fails, scare tactics.

The very things that make kids go "Meh, I've doe without this before, I'll do without it again." and not learn anything?

Americans, hands off Ukraine and let Russia do what they will in their own sphere of influence! You are not the world's police!
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Postby Aydean » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:54 pm

I don't think you should smack them but I believe kids need a good ass beating

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Postby The Fascist American Empire » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:54 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Rebellious Fishermen wrote:Parents retain the right to smack their kids when necessary. Obviously there is a big difference between smacking a child in discipline and child abuse, but I think we can all understand that difference.

Even smacking like you describe is psychologically harmful.

Source?

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Postby Rebellious Fishermen » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:55 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Rebellious Fishermen wrote:Parents retain the right to smack their kids when necessary. Obviously there is a big difference between smacking a child in discipline and child abuse, but I think we can all understand that difference.

Even smacking like you describe is psychologically harmful.


God forbid we have a little bit of firmness in our society. There is nothing wrong with disciplining a child with some physical force. Just living causes psychological trauma.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:55 pm

Scomagia wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Groundings, taking away privileges, and if all else fails, scare tactics.

Basically treating the child like a human being and not like an old television.

More like a prison guard to an inmate instead of a policeman in the LAPD to Rodney King. Misbehave for the warden? Time in solitary.
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Postby Greater Weselton » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:56 pm

Spanking your kids as punishment is something fascists do.
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Postby Ardoki » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:56 pm

The Fascist American Empire wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Even smacking like you describe is psychologically harmful.

Source?

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/04/spanking.aspx
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:56 pm

The Fascist American Empire wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Even smacking like you describe is psychologically harmful.

Source?

http://alpha.fdu.edu/psychology/corporal_punishment.htm

http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/ ... nking.aspx
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:57 pm

Rebellious Fishermen wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Even smacking like you describe is psychologically harmful.


God forbid we have a little bit of firmness in our society. There is nothing wrong with disciplining a child with some physical force. Just living causes psychological trauma.

Actual experts in the field, people who know much, much, much, much, much more about the human mind than you or I, disagree.

http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/ ... nking.aspx

http://alpha.fdu.edu/psychology/corporal_punishment.htm
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