Bill O'Reilly Denies then Proves White Privilege

[Zanubiyala]

You and Bill obviously don't understand white privilege. Sometimes I forget I'm black and I think I have it, then I feel ashamed...

Do you even know what White Privilege is?

From my research its just another type of “Divide and Conquer” out of the Frankfurt school.

[Imperializt Russia]

The more you speak about racism, the more racism you will get.

Just like sexism, because everyone knows before we started talking about sexism, it didn't exist.

Technically, it didn't.
No-one knew what it was, so no-one cared.

This is not where we want to revert to with regards to racism.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Do you even know what White Privilege is?

From my research its just another type of “Divide and Conquer” out of the Frankfurt school.

Your research is wrong, please go to a library and hole yourself up there until you understand what white priviledge is.

[Alcase]

He's horribly wrong, and so are you.

Speaking about racism, which may in turn bring public awareness of it, is one of the most effective methods at lessening the amount of racism in the world. It can never be eradicated, but can certainly be suppressed.

The more you speak about racism, the more racism you will get.

That makes no sense if you apply that same theoretical logic to the real world. You mean that before racism was publicly spoken about, there was 0.0% racism in the world, and there was no Egyptian that would discriminate against the usually darker skinned Nubian?

Speaking about racism, time and time again in our historical timeline has proven effective at dampening the negative racism that has plagued the world. Martin Luther King, Malcom X, abolitionists, and many other civil rights activists did not stand by and keep their mouths shut about racism so that it somehow vanished; they actively pointed it out and shared publicly their views and achieved many great advances in the realm of civil rights.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

He's horribly wrong, and so are you.

Speaking about racism, which may in turn bring public awareness of it, is one of the most effective methods at lessening the amount of racism in the world. It can never be eradicated, but can certainly be suppressed.

The more you speak about racism, the more racism you will get.

Nonsense. We didn't start having a serious conversation about race in this nation until the 1950s, and we got nothing but racism before then. We just didn't talk about it much.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

The more you speak about racism, the more racism you will get.

Nonsense. We didn't start having a serious conversation about race in this nation until the 1950s, and we got nothing but racism before then. We just didn't talk about it much.

When you silently sweep something under the rug, it is easy to forget it exist...if you are white, of course.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Nonsense. We didn't start having a serious conversation about race in this nation until the 1950s, and we got nothing but racism before then. We just didn't talk about it much.

When you silently sweep something under the rug, it is easy to forget it exist...if you are white, of course.

Absolutely.

[Othelos]

explain symbolic racism, then, and why it permeates the rhetoric of many conservatives.

Symbolic racism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolic_racism

[The Lone Alliance]

While there is privilege it's not absolute by race. I can see a more
Race < Wealth
Because if you have enough wealth your race can be ignored simply because you're too valuable and important.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Race < Wealth
If you have enough wealth your race can be ignored simply because you're too valuable and important.

Not really.

[The Lone Alliance]

Race < Wealth
If you have enough wealth your race can be ignored simply because you're too valuable and important.

Not really.

Unless the article says that the accuser knew he was a TV producer I'm not seeing your point.

But I'd like to see an employee call a person a racial slur after knowing they could buy their entire company out just to fire them. Actually I really would like that simply to watch them be made an example of.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Not really.

Unless the article says that the accuser knew he was a TV producer I'm not seeing your point.

The man was wealthy and influential, and yet because he fit a vague profile, he was arrested. Not stopped and questioned: Arrested. All of his wealth didn't help him in this case, though it will likely help in his upcoming lawsuit.

[The Lone Alliance]

Unless the article says that the accuser knew he was a TV producer I'm not seeing your point.

The man was wealthy and influential, and yet because he fit a vague profile, he was arrested. Not stopped and questioned: Arrested. All of his wealth didn't help him in this case, though it will likely help in his upcoming lawsuit.

Yes and that's an advantage he has over other people, the wealth and influence that will allow him to see through a lawsuit and get retribution for what happened.

He has more privilege than a poor person of his race.

You really think the media would have actually bothered to report and cause an outcry if he was a bankrupt homeless person?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

The man was wealthy and influential, and yet because he fit a vague profile, he was arrested. Not stopped and questioned: Arrested. All of his wealth didn't help him in this case, though it will likely help in his upcoming lawsuit.

Yes and that's an advantage he has over other people, the wealth that will allow him to see through a lawsuit and get retribution for what happened.

He has more privilege than a poor person of his race.

Right, but not as much privilege as a white person of his financial means.

[The Lone Alliance]

Yes and that's an advantage he has over other people, the wealth that will allow him to see through a lawsuit and get retribution for what happened.

He has more privilege than a poor person of his race.

Right, but not as much privilege as a white person of his financial means.

So we're in agreement then.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Right, but not as much privilege as a white person of his financial means.

So we're in agreement then.

If you're arguing that there's such a thing as privilege enjoyed by the wealthy (beyond the obvious ability to buy more and higher quality stuff), then yes, absolutely. But racial privilege also exists. I mean, if you put me and that producer in casual clothes and sent us both into a convenience store, I don't think that I'm the one who would be followed.

[The Lone Alliance]

So we're in agreement then.

If you're arguing that there's such a thing as privilege enjoyed by the wealthy (beyond the obvious ability to buy more and higher quality stuff), then yes, absolutely.

I was stating that they both existed and they both influence one another.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

If you're arguing that there's such a thing as privilege enjoyed by the wealthy (beyond the obvious ability to buy more and higher quality stuff), then yes, absolutely.

I was stating that they both existed and they both influence one another.

Sure. The existence of white privilege does not discount the existence of privilege based upon financial status, sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, and any number of other factors.

[Banesbane]

Best panel I ever saw on this issue was at a conservative conference my public speaking class went to to critique the speakers on form and delivery. The panel members were all minorities and one of the most poignant thing said was by an elderly black gentlemen who said (this won't be verbatim)

"If we desire to move into a post racial society we must first work on moving the black race forward and asking the families in the ghetto who have gone to college and become successful how they did it. We need to promote 2 parent families and we need to get rid of this victimized mentality. A victim stays in the same place, a survivor moves forward."

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Best panel I ever saw on this issue was at a conservative conference my public speaking class went to to critique the speakers on form and delivery. The panel members were all minorities and one of the most poignant thing said was by an elderly black gentlemen who said (this won't be verbatim)

"If we desire to move into a post racial society we must first work on moving the black race forward and asking the families in the ghetto who have gone to college and become successful how they did it. We need to promote 2 parent families and we need to get rid of this victimized mentality. A victim stays in the same place, a survivor moves forward."

Great. Now, what can white people do other than telling black people to do that? I mean, the man who said that is obviously in a fine position to make that argument, but what about the rest of us?

[Banesbane]

Best panel I ever saw on this issue was at a conservative conference my public speaking class went to to critique the speakers on form and delivery. The panel members were all minorities and one of the most poignant thing said was by an elderly black gentlemen who said (this won't be verbatim)

"If we desire to move into a post racial society we must first work on moving the black race forward and asking the families in the ghetto who have gone to college and become successful how they did it. We need to promote 2 parent families and we need to get rid of this victimized mentality. A victim stays in the same place, a survivor moves forward."

Great. Now, what can white people do other than telling black people to do that? I mean, the man who said that is obviously in a fine position to make that argument, but what about the rest of us?

2 parent households statistically do better in educational and financial regards. So obviously promote that socially in the areas that have more single parent households. To promote it is to actually do it and encourage it among friends. And to ask those who made it how they did it is as simple as sending in a census agent or sociologist to ask those questions. But to really make it stick the individuals themselves must take responsibility and action themselves. They can't wait for someone to come by and fix things for them. They must recognize what things are broken and work on fixing them themselves.

Other people can come by and put band aids on things. But if you aren't willing to fix and heal it yourself nothing will change.

[Othelos]

Great. Now, what can white people do other than telling black people to do that? I mean, the man who said that is obviously in a fine position to make that argument, but what about the rest of us?

2 parent households statistically do better in educational and financial regards. So obviously promote that socially in the areas that have more single parent households. To promote it is to actually do it and encourage it among friends. And to ask those who made it how they did it is as simple as sending in a census agent or sociologist to ask those questions. But to really make it stick the individuals themselves must take responsibility and action themselves. They can't wait for someone to come by and fix things for them. They must recognize what things are broken and work on fixing them themselves.

Other people can come by and put band aids on things. But if you aren't willing to fix and heal it yourself nothing will change.

You know that the marriage rate is declining among whites, too, right?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Great. Now, what can white people do other than telling black people to do that? I mean, the man who said that is obviously in a fine position to make that argument, but what about the rest of us?

2 parent households statistically do better in educational and financial regards. So obviously promote that socially in the areas that have more single parent households. To promote it is to actually do it and encourage it among friends. And to ask those who made it how they did it is as simple as sending in a census agent or sociologist to ask those questions. But to really make it stick the individuals themselves must take responsibility and action themselves. They can't wait for someone to come by and fix things for them. They must recognize what things are broken and work on fixing them themselves.

Other people can come by and put band aids on things. But if you aren't willing to fix and heal it yourself nothing will change.

Right. Got it. Now answer my question. What can white people do that doesn't involve telling black people what they need to do?

[Banesbane]

2 parent households statistically do better in educational and financial regards. So obviously promote that socially in the areas that have more single parent households. To promote it is to actually do it and encourage it among friends. And to ask those who made it how they did it is as simple as sending in a census agent or sociologist to ask those questions. But to really make it stick the individuals themselves must take responsibility and action themselves. They can't wait for someone to come by and fix things for them. They must recognize what things are broken and work on fixing them themselves.

Other people can come by and put band aids on things. But if you aren't willing to fix and heal it yourself nothing will change.

Right. Got it. Now answer my question. What can white people do that doesn't involve telling black people what they need to do?

Nothing. There is nothing we can do. Sure we can change our perspective, which many do. But when ghetto's are crime ridden low income areas and you are told that if you as a white person, or even a person of another race, go into certain neighborhoods you will be jumped, there will always be that stereotype because it is constantly being perpetuated.

As I said, you can't expect others to fix your problems.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Right. Got it. Now answer my question. What can white people do that doesn't involve telling black people what they need to do?

Nothing. There is nothing we can do. Sure we can change our perspective, which many do. But when ghetto's are crime ridden low income areas and you are told that if you as a white person, or even a person of another race, go into certain neighborhoods you will be jumped, there will always be that stereotype because it is constantly being perpetuated.

As I said, you can't expect others to fix your problems.

No, we can't fix "their" problems. However, we can keep an eye on what WE do. We can support the construction of gyms YMCAs, youth centers, and the like. We can support community programs. If we're in a position of power, we can stop automatically tossing decent resumes just because they come from Jamal instead of Tim. We can stop making black people feel like they're unwelcome in stores through not automatically following them around when they enter the shop. If we're in law enforcement, we can stop assuming that every young black man is any more a potential danger than anyone else we stop. If we're in the media, we can write, direct, and greenlight positive portrayals of black people.

Depending on one's position in life, there is a metric shit-ton of stuff that we can do to counteract privilege without making life significantly harder for ourselves.