Russia threatens nuclear war against all NATO members

[Australian rePublic]

Shit. Here comes World War Three...

[United Kingdom of Poland]

There's the underlying problem in that the west doesn't have all that much experience dealing with someone as politically cynical and intelligent as Putin. If Putin was like, say Saddam Hussein, then there wouldn't be any problems because we know how to deal with people like him, but we don't know how to deal with someone like Putin whose willing to do almost anything to reach their objective but doesn't use methods that out them as the clear cut bad guy to enough countries to make non military punitive measures effective

we need to put NATO forces in the Ukraine, not in combat but in the ukraine none the less, and I think he'll back down. Even better if the Ukrainians concede a little bit of territory to make the whole thing ease over a bit better

we matched Suddam's use of force in Kuwait by kicking the shit out of iraq, we have to match Putins brinkmanship if we hope to keep him from breaking the Ukraine

That is the problem. The idea of putting NATO troops in the Ukraine. Remember, when the Soviets collapsed and the Russian Federation came into being, it was agreed that NATO would not go further east. The Russians should have asked for it in writing but it was only by word of mouth. So they do not trust the West and NATO which wants to drive up to the border with Russia. NATO should have waited a few decades before even trying to get too involved in the Ukraine.

Having said that the Russians have done the following to counter the Western NATO advance on them.

Short news video from March - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPPlKI7VnSU

and more recently from last month.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-CZEXkKLvQ

to be fair, if the Russians honestly had expected that all the former Warsaw Pact nations would be buddies with them after almost 50 years of being oppressed, they may have been sampling a little to much of their own product.

[Organized States]

NATO's about to step foot in the Ukraine, mainly due to Ukraine requesting a membership action plan the other day.

[Gingeska]

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http://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/russia_wants_war_look_how_closely_they_put_country_to_our_military_bases.jpg

[The Orson Empire]

NATO's about to step foot in the Ukraine, mainly due to Ukraine requesting a membership action plan the other day.

If NATO goes to war with Russia, it will most likely end with both sides firing nukes at each other, resulting in the extinction of the Human race....so, I'm not really sure this is a good idea.

[Organized States]

NATO's about to step foot in the Ukraine, mainly due to Ukraine requesting a membership action plan the other day.

If NATO goes to war with Russia, it will most likely end with both sides firing nukes at each other, resulting in the extinction of the Human race....so, I'm not really sure this is a good idea.

I'm not too entirely sure of that, both would lose tremendously from any Nuclear Conflict, so contrary to popular belief, neither side would deploy nuclear weapons.

[Esceen]

Well, WW3 is going to happen one way or another. Why not make it Putin's fault? If some pocket of Humanity does end up surviving and they don't off themselves, he can be the new Hitler.

[Senkaku]

Well, either Putin is officially on Krokodil, or he's just more batshit insane than anyone quite realized.

[Padnak]

NATO's about to step foot in the Ukraine, mainly due to Ukraine requesting a membership action plan the other day.

If NATO goes to war with Russia, it will most likely end with both sides firing nukes at each other, resulting in the extinction of the Human race....so, I'm not really sure this is a good idea.

They won't go to war, Russia will black down when if NATO boots are on the ground

Putin is aggressive, but no stupid. He can't win a war with nato and he knows it. Not to mention that a war with nato would lead to allot of dead Russian soldiers which would greatly lessen his reputation back home

[Esceen]

If NATO goes to war with Russia, it will most likely end with both sides firing nukes at each other, resulting in the extinction of the Human race....so, I'm not really sure this is a good idea.

They won't go to war, Russia will black down when if NATO boots are on the ground

Putin is aggressive, but no stupid. He can't win a war with nato and he knows it. Not to mention that a war with nato would lead to allot of dead Russian soldiers which would greatly lessen his reputation back home

Not to mention a nuclear holocaust...

[Northwest Slobovia]

If NATO goes to war with Russia, it will most likely end with both sides firing nukes at each other, resulting in the extinction of the Human race....so, I'm not really sure this is a good idea.

They won't go to war, Russia will black down when if NATO boots are on the ground

Putin is aggressive, but no stupid.

Yup. He's rational and evil. If NATO did commit forces to defending the Ukraine, Vladdy Boy would know it's time to cut and run. (I don't actually expect they will, but suppose they did.) There are no winning moves for him from that position: military escalation won't go well, and could get out of hand -- not that I expect seriously out of hand, see "rational" -- and even keeping men in the field gets expensive. I'd expect plenty of proxy fighting, and fighting by forces out of uniform, but not hot tank-on-tank action.

[Padnak]

I have to say, its kind of sad how stupid people are being about this whole thing. There isn't going to be a nuclear war or anything like that. Putin is posturing and trying to keep the west off balance and guessing about what his plan is, and so far its been extremely effective. Putin is a strongman, but hes not stupid, he knows how far he can push the west to get what he wants and he isn't going to do anything to provoke an open war between Russia and Europe, let alone a nuclear one. So far the west hasn't stood up to Putin and done anything meaningful to stop him, so his strategy is working. Much to the dismay of everyone

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Not necessarily. Chuck Norris is older than dirt and Putin is just old as dirt. Putin is a higher level black-belt too. End result: They both die of heart attacks but Chuck Norris dies first.

You forget:

Death is afraid of Chuck Norris

You're thinking of Roosevelt, try again.

[Northwest Slobovia]

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The Russian fleet is a non-factor when it comes to menacing their neighbours and even then its allot better then it was

But quite impotent at menacing NATO, which is what I was getting at. If, for some reason, NATO decides to support the Ukraine, and as a result, Turkey closes the Straights and Demark closes the Sound to Russian traffic, Russia has no ability to force either position. At lot of their trade goes bye-bye as a result.

the Russian air force has more money then the entirety of the Canadian military (Not factual, but I wouldn't be surprised if its true)

Even if true, whoop-de-doo. Texan Boy Scout troops are more heavily armed than the Canadian military. Canada is not Vlad's worry or who he's waving his strap-on at: its the US and Europe.

and the Russian army is leagues above what constitutes a military in many of its neighbours

Same thing here: gosh, Russia can beat up the Ukraine and Khazakstan. Whee.

Mentioning guerrilla war... they were victorious in Chechnya with a military that was a shadow of what it is today with an economy close to collapse and their opponent was rather determined and quite well armed

Let's see... fighting started in 1994, the Russians gave up for a while, then fighting resumed, and the Russians declared they won in 2009. That took them 15 years, against guys yes, determined and armed, but not AFAIK, armed with modern NATO weapons. Also, all of Chechnya has a population less than that of Kiev (~1.5M vs ~2.1M), much less all of the Ukraine (44M). Little different, eh? Lots more people to try to keep down, lots more money to buy weapons with, even assuming NATO doesn't just give them stuff for fun.

Fighting a guerrilla war doesn't take allot of resources or training, look at all the states locked in internal conflicts

Winning such a war, however, is quite expensive. Both the US and Russia have extensive experience in failing to do so.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

NATO's about to step foot in the Ukraine, mainly due to Ukraine requesting a membership action plan the other day.

If NATO goes to war with Russia, it will most likely end with both sides firing nukes at each other, resulting in the extinction of the Human race....so, I'm not really sure this is a good idea.

Not this again...

No, unless Putin is an idiot, he won't resort to using nukes at all.

[Padnak]

The Russian fleet is a non-factor when it comes to menacing their neighbours and even then its allot better then it was

But quite impotent at menacing NATO, which is what I was getting at. If, for some reason, NATO decides to support the Ukraine, and as a result, Turkey closes the Straights and Demark closes the Sound to Russian traffic, Russia has no ability to force either position. At lot of their trade goes bye-bye as a result.

the Russian air force has more money then the entirety of the Canadian military (Not factual, but I wouldn't be surprised if its true)

Even if true, whoop-de-doo. Texan Boy Scout troops are more heavily armed than the Canadian military. Canada is not Vlad's worry or who he's waving his strap-on at: its the US and Europe.

and the Russian army is leagues above what constitutes a military in many of its neighbours

Same thing here: gosh, Russia can beat up the Ukraine and Khazakstan. Whee.

Mentioning guerrilla war... they were victorious in Chechnya with a military that was a shadow of what it is today with an economy close to collapse and their opponent was rather determined and quite well armed

Let's see... fighting started in 1994, the Russians gave up for a while, then fighting resumed, and the Russians declared they won in 2009. That took them 15 years, against guys yes, determined and armed, but not AFAIK, armed with modern NATO weapons. Also, all of Chechnya has a population less than that of Kiev (~1.5M vs ~2.1M), much less all of the Ukraine (44M). Little different, eh? Lots more people to try to keep down, lots more money to buy weapons with, even assuming NATO doesn't just give them stuff for fun.

Fighting a guerrilla war doesn't take allot of resources or training, look at all the states locked in internal conflicts

Winning such a war, however, is quite expensive. Both the US and Russia have extensive experience in failing to do so.

Arguing about Russia's military dick size aside, a war between NATO and Russia is extremely unlikely, if only because Russia would gain nothing from it

[Gauthier]

Well, either Putin is officially on Krokodil, or he's just more batshit insane than anyone quite realized.

Remember Boys and Girls, constantly posing topless in the Russian climate has consequences.

[Padnak]

Well, either Putin is officially on Krokodil, or he's just more batshit insane than anyone quite realized.

Remember Boys and Girls, constantly posing topless in the Russian climate has consequences.

If it wasn't as late as it is I'd make a joke about swimming in polluted Russian water

but sadly my mind isn't up to the task

[Oceanic Vakiadia]

In my view, Putin is obviously not going to try war with the West deliberately. That's not the point though. The point is that this is an undeniable sign of tense Russian-American relations of the kind not seen since the Cold War.

Really though, how anyone could support this powerhungry maniac in 2014 is beyond me.

[Saiwania]

No, unless Putin is an idiot, he won't resort to using nukes at all.

Russia launching any nukes would essentially be giving NATO full permission to do the same to Russia. No- if anything, diplomacy and heaven forbid even conventional warfare should be given a chance before considering the use of nuclear weapons. Going straight to the last resort weapon and not having any restraint in exhausting all the other options first, would be dooming Russia and perhaps the rest of the world to ruin.

[Lyttenburg]

NATO's about to step foot in the Ukraine, mainly due to Ukraine requesting a membership action plan the other day.

I'm sorry, but did your personal beleifs prevent you from reading linked articles? There-there, don't worry. I
have a quote for you:

However, while Ukraine's prime minister, Arseny Yatseniuk said on Friday that Ukraine would now seek to join Nato, sources within the organisation said that it would be unlikely happen. Any such move would oblige Nato to come to Ukraine's immediate defence against Russia.

A Nato source said: "Ukraine is not an ally. Nato may respect Ukraine's decision if it seeks membership but the Alliance is not going to accelerate in that direction."

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

No, unless Putin is an idiot, he won't resort to using nukes at all.

Russia launching any nukes would essentially be giving NATO full permission to do the same to Russia. No- if anything, diplomacy and heaven forbid even conventional warfare should be given a chance before considering the use of nuclear weapons. Going straight to the last resort weapon and not having any restraint in exhausting all the other options first, would be dooming Russia and perhaps the rest of the world to ruin.

No shit, that was the point of my post.

You would have to be a major fucking idiot to use nuclear weapons first and foremost, even if your capital is taken you shouldn't resort to them.

[Sebastianbourg]

Do you really believe those that govern us are really stupid enough to start a full-blown war at this moment; a war that could alter or even annihilate humanity entirely? We all now our heads of state and government aren't the brightest and/or most mentally sane human beings but are they really this stupid? I refuse to believe the people we put (or maybe didn't) in power in our countries are going to do this sort of thing? I'm really interested in what people here think so please leave your answers/opinions.

[Organized States]

NATO's about to step foot in the Ukraine, mainly due to Ukraine requesting a membership action plan the other day.

I'm sorry, but did your personal beleifs prevent you from reading linked articles? There-there, don't worry. I
have a quote for you:

However, while Ukraine's prime minister, Arseny Yatseniuk said on Friday that Ukraine would now seek to join Nato, sources within the organisation said that it would be unlikely happen. Any such move would oblige Nato to come to Ukraine's immediate defence against Russia.

A Nato source said: "Ukraine is not an ally. Nato may respect Ukraine's decision if it seeks membership but the Alliance is not going to accelerate in that direction."

Seems kind of baity to me, but I'm a fairly reasonable guy, and I'll ignore the snarky comment.

But I have a quote from Mr. Secretary General Rasmussen,

NATO Secretary-General Anders Rasmussen said Friday that NATO would allow Ukraine into the alliance, provided “Ukraine so wishes and fulfills the necessary criteria,”

The Alliance is still considering it.

[Regenburg]

meh
nato wouldn't defend us anyway