Woman and The Draft

[Afro-Euasia]

China had dynasties,Egypt also had different dynasties,Persia,greece,france,never lasted long and they got conquered or switched into a republic norway and sweden didnt last that long,England had a civil war,scotland unioned,hungary unioned not long,norway threw denmark away and japan had changed into the western style nation

They literally are the countries that lasted more then a thousand years.

And if/when the Third World War begins and we can't, we'll have to either go to the draft or be destroyed. I'd rather be drafted and be free after the war, than not be drafted and live in a ruined country, completely razed by war, and without any of the basics of a civilized society. I don't know about you, but I do not want to live in a place like Great Depression Germany meets Post-Civil War South.

The Third World War won't happen, and even if it did, we'd be ready.

The third world war will happen and france and england just gone through the middle ages which does not count because history helped them and stablity also help them and no wars also helped,Ok here then.What country lasted to the mordern era from 1000 years ago

You are also just covering the truth that will happens

[The Fascist American Empire]

China had dynasties,Egypt also had different dynasties,Persia,greece,france,never lasted long and they got conquered or switched into a republic norway and sweden didnt last that long,England had a civil war,scotland unioned,hungary unioned not long,norway threw denmark away and japan had changed into the western style nation

They literally are the countries that lasted more then a thousand years.

And if/when the Third World War begins and we can't, we'll have to either go to the draft or be destroyed. I'd rather be drafted and be free after the war, than not be drafted and live in a ruined country, completely razed by war, and without any of the basics of a civilized society. I don't know about you, but I do not want to live in a place like Great Depression Germany meets Post-Civil War South.

The Third World War won't happen, and even if it did, we'd be ready.

Are you really certain about that? Can you foresee the future? Because just about every major country has prepared extensively for WWIII since the fifties. Everyone thinks that their country will prevail, because every country has prepared. Missiles, nuclear or otherwise, drones, tracking systems, etc... Plus, with as tense as relation with many countries are right now, what makes you so certain that one leader, let's say Putin just as an example, decides he's had enough? Any war between Russia and America WILL be the mark that begins World War Three. If America just doesn't bother with keeping its military up and even cuts down on it (as it is currently doing), and the trend continues for long enough, then even laughingstock countries like North Korea would become a serious threat. You speak of the Present. Yes, America is currently an impregnable fortress; but what about twenty, fifty, a hundred years from now? Now, we are invincible, but what of our grandchildren's America? What of their grandchildren?

Now, if you excuse me, it's 1:00 a.m. and I have a math test tomorrow. Good night.

[The Flood]

There should be no draft at all, unless it is absolutely necessary to defend the homeland from foreign invasion. In the case that a draft is needed, it should include both men and women, but it should be an absolute last resort.

[The Fascist American Empire]

And if/when the Third World War begins and we can't, we'll have to either go to the draft or be destroyed. I'd rather be drafted and be free after the war, than not be drafted and live in a ruined country, completely razed by war, and without any of the basics of a civilized society. I don't know about you, but I do not want to live in a place like Great Depression Germany meets Post-Civil War South.

If WWIII happens, America has enough allies that a draft wouldn't be needed.

Yeah, but any ally of the United States still has contempt for us. Just ask Germany. Plus, we keep p*****g off our "allies" then they will become our enemies.

[Afro-Euasia]

There should be no draft at all, unless it is absolutely necessary to defend the homeland from foreign invasion. In the case that a draft is needed, it should include both men and women, but it should be an absolute last resort.

Ok then,it will be too late,thats why taiwan stills uses the draft

[Great Nepal]

No, our voluntary military alone could fend of any threat. Invasion of the mainland US is absolutely futile.

And if/when the Third World War begins and we can't, we'll have to either go to the draft or be destroyed. I'd rather be drafted and be free after the war, than not be drafted and live in a ruined country, completely razed by war, and without any of the basics of a civilized society. I don't know about you, but I do not want to live in a place like Great Depression Germany meets Post-Civil War South.

If theres WW3, regardless of number of soldiers we will be dead and word will be radioactive hellhole so draft's moot.

[Connori Pilgrims]

On the one hand, I am all for equal sharing of responsibility and right. If women are benefiting from the society they are in, it is only just to expect them to partake in its defence same as everyone else.

On the other hand, I do believe that a draft as a concept is unjust (as it is forced labor); If a country & its culture is so lacking in volunteers (for any reason) that it must resort to drafting to shore up its numbers, then the country & its culture frankly does not deserve to survive whatever war it engages in.

[Empire of Narnia]

Yes. It is fair and many woman have proven themselves to be capable soldiers. During war against the forces of evil we need as many people fighting as possible.

[Ifreann]

Men must protect women, it is cowardly for a nation to require women to register for the draft. Women also shouldn't be allowed in combat jobs.

Pathetic sexist drivel.

[Forsher]

If you're going to conscript people there's no real reason not to conscript as many people as possible. The reasons that oppose it tend to boil down to sexist thinking, or just straight out sexism.

China had dynasties,Egypt also had different dynasties,Persia,greece,france,never lasted long and they got conquered or switched into a republic norway and sweden didnt last that long,England had a civil war,scotland unioned,hungary unioned not long,norway threw denmark away and japan had changed into the western style nation

They literally are the countries that lasted more then a thousand years.

Firstly, the modern understanding of a country is just that: modern. To extend it back even five hundred years would anachronistic.

Secondly, the institutions that existed in the places that have become the countries we think of have changed dramatically. Often this has happened through periods that we would term collapses: the total or near complete destruction of how things were. As a good example, the French Revolution is held by historians to represent the utter collapse of the Ancien Regime and this was something that the revolutionaries picked up on themselves (hence why they thought that entirely new calendars etc. could work).

However, your central contention that these countries have lasted more than a 1000 years is, really meaningless because of that first point. The England of 1066 was, in a very meaningful way, not the England of 1666 let alone 1966 (all important things in English history occur when the year is '66 *nods*). To argue that England had a civil war is also incorrect. It had several; many of which went on for much longer than the Civil War (and, at any rate, the Glorious Revolution probably achieved more physical change than the Civil War). Speaking of 1066 that year brought in a new system, a new ruling language and a new elite.

Places like China are very interesting in the context you've raised here because, at numerous times, the people in charge have been supplanted by invading foreigners but the structures remained strong enough to allow Sinification to happen.

Point is, history's complex and, in the long run, it is not only possible or even plausible that the US will come to resemble something quite different to what it is now but it is almost certain. In fact, I'd say it is certain as the US shares many of the hallmarks of failed powers. A large military, bellicose politicians and a system that refuses to change despite being centuries old. Also, if WWIII were to happen I'd argue the US is the most likely starter of it (which is not the same as saying it is likely to start one).

[Afro-Euasia]

This turned into irony when I said that the USA should use the draft and then I realize that they are power hungry and going to start world war 3...Maybe

[Wind in the Willows]

Id say draft them. when they want to be treated like men in all cases as they say; then in really all casese.

[Immoren]

And if/when the Third World War begins and we can't, we'll have to either go to the draft or be destroyed. I'd rather be drafted and be free after the war, than not be drafted and live in a ruined country, completely razed by war, and without any of the basics of a civilized society. I don't know about you, but I do not want to live in a place like Great Depression Germany meets Post-Civil War South.

If WWIII happens, America has enough allies that a draft wouldn't be needed.

And nuclear weapons.
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Then again attrition caused by modern nuclear battlefield might an argument for draft/conscription.

[Conscentia]

There should not be a draft.

[Magna Libero]

Yes, except that the draft shouldn't exist. I think only the motivated people should enlist, both men and women.

[New Chalcedon]

The draft is slavery. Adding more people to the pool of potential slaves isn't making things better. Two wrongs don't make a right. Two lefts do. In a standard three dimensional space, anyway.

EDIT: Wait, three lefts. Goddammit.

Fair enough, but since the draft will almost certainly always exist, its better to treat everyone the same in regards to it no?

Your conclusion relies upon a flawed assumption - namely, that the draft will always exist.

Also, on the broader scale: Yes, please send all your women of childbearing age to the front lines carrying weapons and dressed as soldiers. Your nation's enemies thank you - even if you "win", a war on such a scale, involving female conscription, will create a demographic disaster for your country.

And no-one can contest that they are legitimate military targets - after all, you conscripted them in the first place. They're soldiers now.

[Great Nepal]

Your conclusion relies upon a flawed assumption - namely, that the draft will always exist.

One reaches same conclusion even if one relies on the fact that draft currently exists.

Also, on the broader scale: Yes, please send all your women of childbearing age to the front lines carrying weapons and dressed as soldiers. Your nation's enemies thank you - even if you "win", a war on such a scale, involving female conscription, will create a demographic disaster for your country.

Same thing if you send all your men to front line. But you know neither one of that will happen because Generals in pentagon aren't really going to be interested in having 156.95 million conscripts primarily because that will destroy the economy and secondly because they generally prefer to be able to feed, clothe and arm the soldiers.

And no-one can contest that they are legitimate military targets - after all, you conscripted them in the first place. They're soldiers now.

No one but those living decades in the past will be contesting that.

[KAS SRD]

Fair enough, but since the draft will almost certainly always exist, its better to treat everyone the same in regards to it no?

Your conclusion relies upon a flawed assumption - namely, that the draft will always exist.

Also, on the broader scale: Yes, please send all your women of childbearing age to the front lines carrying weapons and dressed as soldiers. Your nation's enemies thank you - even if you "win", a war on such a scale, involving female conscription, will create a demographic disaster for your country.

And no-one can contest that they are legitimate military targets - after all, you conscripted them in the first place. They're soldiers now.

If you kill all the men, your going to have just as big of a disaster.

[The Liberated Territories]

Better idea: abolish the draft entirely.

[The Two Jerseys]

Sure, if Congress wants to let women serve in combat units, they should by all means be just as eligible for conscription as men are.

[Lleu llaw Gyffes]

Liberty and Justice for ALL.
Well ordered Militia.

The Nation can only be free if Citizens defend the Nation.

It might be convenient that mothers of young children be conscripted, stay at home and work in munitions factories while other conscripts serve on the Front Line.

But the general Principle that ALL Citizens must defend the Republic is a good Principle.

[Serksis Federation]

Draft em, in fact next two wars draft only women to balance things out.

This

[Ifreann]

Fair enough, but since the draft will almost certainly always exist, its better to treat everyone the same in regards to it no?

Your conclusion relies upon a flawed assumption - namely, that the draft will always exist.

Also, on the broader scale: Yes, please send all your women of childbearing age to the front lines carrying weapons and dressed as soldiers. Your nation's enemies thank you - even if you "win", a war on such a scale, involving female conscription, will create a demographic disaster for your country.

Of course, if you're drafting able bodied women you can leave half of them and half the men at home and still have the same number of troops as if you drafted all the able bodied men. (YMMV, consult a census for more accurate ratios.)

And no-one can contest that they are legitimate military targets - after all, you conscripted them in the first place. They're soldiers now.

No one would contest that, relevant Geneva Conventions aside.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

I find it very difficult to believe and support woman who cry out for all sorts of equal pay and etc etc, yet they immediately then say that they dont think they should be drafted. I find this highly contradictory and chock full of BS, how about you people?

The last time conscription was important in the US was forty years ago.

It's been forty solid years of women getting paid less, as they in fact did before then too.

Cool thread, though, fresh ideas and perspectives on show here. Top quality.

[The Black Forrest]

Men must protect women, it is cowardly for a nation to require women to register for the draft. Women also shouldn't be allowed in combat jobs.

Actually, nobody should have to register for the draft. It takes away political freedoms.

The Israeli women do pretty well. A coworkers daughter teaches hand to hand. I wouldn't meet her in an ally way......