Public Opinion on Transgender Persons

[Isles of the United Armed Forces]

Thats an intereasting way of putting it. But as much as I appreciate other peoples thanks I dont need to be thanked for where I stand and who I stick up for, and as for other peoples tolerance I honestly dont care, if they dont like my opinion on something they can get over it.

I was just explaining why people will respond well to such comments. You don't need it, and it is possible you don't want it, but for people who deal with such discrimination daily, having someone say they don't care is a relief. There will hopefully come a time when such discrimination will stop being so prevalent, and such thanks will stop coming.

I absolutely agree with you 100%. Any way im going to go make dinner so im off.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

You´ll be showered with affection, after what you said. The resident queer community loves it.

So, after checking a report, I've been reading through here. And all you seem to have to offer in this thread is snark and spite. How about you take a break from it, and go do something worthwhile. Because baiting any group of people on the forums, regardless of which group it might be, does not fall under that heading. In fact, this is the sort of thing that will get you into trouble with the moderation team. And heaven knows, no one wants that. Unofficial warning put on record. Lets hope it stays at that.

Everyone else - lets keep on topic, because if y'all can't, one can only assume the topic has run its course and needs to be quietly closed. Thanks.

[Araraukar]

Amazing. I´m beginning to believe you want to become women

Not all transgenders are MtF. A lot of people seem to forget that FtM exist as well. I think it's because women becoming men isn't as media sexy or shocking to the cisgender men, as men becoming women.

And not only that, but not all transgender are straight either; for example, I'm birth-assigned-woman, but my gender+orientation is gay man. You can guess how easy that is to explain to people...

Its okay to be transgender, but it is annoying how they class themselves as women or and men... if your born a man you will always be a man, same goes to women.

You manage to contradict yourself within that one sentence. If it's okay to be transgender, then it's okay to "class themselves as women or men". Since you seem to have an issue with that and feel that you are what you were born as, you are not okay with people being transgender.

Not all of them are gay either

I think the majority of transgender have a straight orientation, just like everyone else. That is, that transwomen are attracted to men and transmen to women.

some people just want to look like a woman or man...

If you mean just dressing up as the opposite sex, then that's probably more due to a fetish than being transgender. Though seeing how you've already managed to contradict yourself, I'm wary of guessing what you mean there.

I do not have a real issue with Transgenders, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit weirded out by it.

If you're willing to let other people live their lives as they see fit, even if it "weirds you out", then that's all anyone could ask.

[Jormengand]

I think the majority of transgender have a straight orientation, just like everyone else. That is, that transwomen are attracted to men and transmen to women.

Actually, I think slightly more trans women are bi/lesbian than straight, but it's about 33/33/33 anyway.

That said, most trans guys are straight, so there we go.

(I have no sources for either of these claims, but I'm sure I can look them up if you're really interested.)

[Immoren]

Not all transgenders are MtF. A lot of people seem to forget that FtM exist as well. I think it's because women becoming men isn't as media sexy or shocking to the cisgender men, as men becoming women.

Obviously just tomboys going through a phase.

[Geanna]

And not only that, but not all transgender are straight either; for example, I'm birth-assigned-woman, but my gender+orientation is gay man. You can guess how easy that is to explain to people...

I understood that perfectly lo

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

I think the majority of transgender have a straight orientation, just like everyone else. That is, that transwomen are attracted to men and transmen to women.

Actually, I think slightly more trans women are bi/lesbian than straight, but it's about 33/33/33 anyway.

That said, most trans guys are straight, so there we go.

(I have no sources for either of these claims, but I'm sure I can look them up if you're really interested.)

I've found all kinds of trans people are 30-50% bi-pan or bi-pan aces...

[Fanosolia]

So going againest gender roles and other such things? I thought that's just how a modern human is?

So I guess transexual is the ones wanting the operation, not transgender.

Not necessarily. Some trans people are very keen to gender roles.

And it's not about acting, it's about being (or rather, not being).

But essentially, yes. Transsexuals generally seek to alter their bodies in significant ways so as to not have people thinking of their body as "their birth sex". Transgender are people who feel that the gender to which they are designated as at birth is a false or incomplete descriptor of their essence as individuals according to the place they see themselves versus the rest of humanity.

Okay I think I get it? (Sorry for the super late response)

I guess I understand it as an identity thing. I guess I have hard time separating the physicality (sex) from the abstract mind set label (gender). Though not sure I completely understand the incomplete essence thing. Like they feel something doesn't sit right or something?

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Okay I think I get it? (Sorry for the super late response)

I guess I understand it as an identity thing. I guess I have hard time separating the physicality (sex) from the abstract mind set label (gender). Though not sure I completely understand the incomplete essence thing. Like they feel something doesn't sit right or something?

Well, yes. Imagine you had something written not only as your given name but also over your face and body belying the image you have of yourself.

Except being male or female or *insert gender here* tends to be more important than your age or what you do for a job.

[Fanosolia]

Okay I think I get it? (Sorry for the super late response)

I guess I understand it as an identity thing. I guess I have hard time separating the physicality (sex) from the abstract mind set label (gender). Though not sure I completely understand the incomplete essence thing. Like they feel something doesn't sit right or something?

Well, yes. Imagine you had something written not only as your given name but also over your face and body belying the image you have of yourself.

Except being male or female or *insert gender here* tends to be more important than your age or what you do for a job.

Okay I thought it was something like that. Sorry for my ignorance.

I don't see why. Might be my upbringing but I don't see how gender of all things is more important that just living a life. not that I don't stand why for the individual him/her/third gender why the would be, it's just my out look.

[Jamjai]

I have never met a trans person in my life and its confusing to comprehend

[Xenoph]

Never had a problem with them they can do as they please so long as they don't hit on me I'm fine. Other than that let people do as they please considering they find it a pursuit if happiness why would his need to be erased? Especially considering you just said you're tolerant? Then why do you seem to have something g against an entire group of people?

[Nazi Flower Power]

Amazing. I´m beginning to believe you want to become women

Not all transgenders are MtF. A lot of people seem to forget that FtM exist as well. I think it's because women becoming men isn't as media sexy or shocking to the cisgender men, as men becoming women.

Even if you're targeting a female audience, I think the usual reaction to FtM is more "Why would you do that?" than "OMG! They're trying to trick me!" Society doesn't tell women that their self-worth should be dependent on their sexual exploits to the same extent that it does for men.

Maybe I am just projecting, though, since my reaction to FtM is "Why would you do that?"

[Hungariaa]

None of my business really.

[Camelza]

They're just people like everyone else.
So, they should be recognised and respected as such.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I have never met a trans person in my life and its confusing to comprehend

You've probably passed them on the street and just not noticed unless you live in a very rural area where you always see the same few people and never meet anybody else. They're not like drag queens where they make a big show of dressing up as the opposite sex. They usually look more normal than that.

[The Count of Monte Cristo]

I have never met a trans person in my life and its confusing to comprehend

Indeed.
If you ask a guy
"Are you a man or a mouse ?"
and he replies
"I´m a woman",
well, that´s weird.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I have never met a trans person in my life and its confusing to comprehend

Indeed.
If you ask a guy
"Are you a man or a mouse ?"
and he replies
"I´m a woman",
well, that´s weird.

Are you just drunk and like the "enter" key a lot or was that the shittiest poem ever written?

[Immoren]

Indeed.
If you ask a guy
"Are you a man or a mouse ?"
and he replies
"I´m a woman",
well, that´s weird.

Are you just drunk and like the "enter" key a lot or was that the shittiest poem ever written?

Why not both?

[Zottistan]

I have never met a trans person in my life and its confusing to comprehend

Indeed.
If you ask a guy
"Are you a man or a mouse ?"
and he replies
"I´m a woman",
well, that´s weird.

Yeah, it's fairly weird to ask people if they're mice.

[Distruzio]

Who says that I'm only interested in vaginal intercourse?

Who says I´m interested in what you´re interested ?
I was just wondering, I got this bizarre notion that the genitalia makes the gender.
And the sex act per se. Imagine a pre-OP transman dating a girl. How he suppose to penetrate her ? With his huge, rock hard, sexy finger ?

Genitalia don't determine the gender. They determine the sex.

[Othelos]

I have never met a trans person in my life and its confusing to comprehend

Indeed.
If you ask a guy
"Are you a man or a mouse ?"
and he replies
"I´m a woman",
well, that´s weird.

why would you ask a person if they are a mouse?

[Distruzio]

Indeed.
If you ask a guy
"Are you a man or a mouse ?"
and he replies
"I´m a woman",
well, that´s weird.

why would you ask a person if they are a mouse?

It makes for a good non sequitur.

[Araraukar]

I have never met a trans person in my life and its confusing to comprehend

*waves* Nice to meet you. And now you have. If it helps, it's difficult for me to comprehend the feeling that your body is the gender you identify as. And I'm also a little jealous of you for that feeling.

Never had a problem with them they can do as they please so long as they don't hit on me I'm fine.

Heh, why does everyone always assume that "they" would hit on them? It's what straight guys use as an excuse to feel creeped out by gay guys, as if they were the... well, actually, if you do look like Viggo Mortensen or any other hot male actor, you might be in trouble... And I'm sure someone can think up the female equivalent of that.

Maybe I am just projecting, though, since my reaction to FtM is "Why would you do that?"

Why would I do what?

And the sex act per se. Imagine a pre-OP transman dating a girl. How he suppose to penetrate her ? With his huge, rock hard, sexy finger ?

Genitalia don't determine the gender. They determine the sex.

Also, the question means they're totally oblivious to the fact that most women don't get an orgasm from penetration alone... or the existence of sex toys for that matter...

[Distruzio]

Never had a problem with them they can do as they please so long as they don't hit on me I'm fine.

Heh, why does everyone always assume that "they" would hit on them? It's what straight guys use as an excuse to feel creeped out by gay guys, as if they were the... well, actually, if you do look like Viggo Mortensen or any other hot male actor, you might be in trouble... And I'm sure someone can think up the female equivalent of that.

Are you suggesting that your default is not humping someones leg? How ridiculous!

/sarcasm