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How do you feel about transgender persons?

I have no problem with it.
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54%
It's a little odd but it's none of my business.
173
27%
It makes me uncomfortable.
34
5%
I think it's wrong and/or unnatural.
86
14%
 
Total votes : 632

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Arkolon
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:02 pm

Lies and Ignorance wrote:
Arkolon wrote:You have seriously misunderstood capitalism. I know it's your angsty phase in life and all, but take your issues out on a topic you actually fathom, in the least.

Would you like to try saying that again? Perhaps with less of a presumptive tone? And less inherent wrongness?

You blighted your own credibility by dismissing the most widely-accepted economic system since time immemorial, which only displays whatever teenage angst you have in you because you force yourself to fight against the current system, whatever that system may be. Even worse, you blamed an economic system for social problems. I mean, what the fuck, man. Do you even know what capitalism is?
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Immoren
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Postby Immoren » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:02 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Conservative Western societies educated it as the "polite and manly" thing to do. It was formerly impolite to perform otherwise.

So being polite and manly is inherently anti-egalitarian, oppressive, misogynistic, and is in no way help at all?


Opening door for women and letting them first in is obviously inherently misogynistic, because it partially came from "there might be assassin in that room, so IL send her first, so she'll get hit first instead of me."
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Postby Liriena » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:02 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Don't exaggerate to make a point. Fox News does the same thing and gets lampooned for it.

HuffPo is only true news~

Nah. WND.
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Conkerials
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Postby Conkerials » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:03 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Arkolon wrote:So being polite and manly is inherently anti-egalitarian, oppressive, misogynistic, and is in no way help at all?

Not necessarily. However, the image of masculinity and what it means to be a "real man (tm)" can be somewhat damaging to all genders, more or less.

Exactly.

It creates expectations as to what a man is supposed to live up to. Like taking on a masculine role instead of a more effeminate one.
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The Sanguinian Islands
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:03 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:I'm worried about the future.

So am I, although it also worries me that mean-spirited mockery is the only thing you do in this thread. Throughout your participation, the vast majority of your posts have been pathetic attempts at humorous strawmen of what non-binary people feel or say. While everybody else is, at the very least, trying to keep this serious, even people who share your views, you are insulting and making fun of a vulnerable minority, because for some reason your mind can't process the idea of a human being being anything other than a man or a woman.

If your reaction to something you don't understand is to try to verbally humilliate it, then it seems to me that you have a serious problem.

I'm too narrow minded and uneducated to read that.
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Arcturus Novus
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:03 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Conservative Western societies educated it as the "polite and manly" thing to do. It was formerly impolite to perform otherwise.

#oppressed

Where does oppression come into play here, exactly?
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Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.

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The Sanguinian Islands
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:04 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:HuffPo is only true news~

Nah. WND.

Nope

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Degenerate Heart of HetRio
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:04 pm

Arkolon wrote:You blighted your own credibility by dismissing the most widely-accepted economic system since time immemorial, which only displays whatever teenage angst you have in you because you force yourself to fight against the current system, whatever that system may be. Even worse, you blamed an economic system for social problems. I mean, what the fuck, man. Do you even know what capitalism is?

Are you personally insulted that people are communist? :blink:
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Arkolon
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:04 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Arkolon wrote:So being polite and manly is inherently anti-egalitarian, oppressive, misogynistic, and is in no way help at all?

Wait are you an anti-feminist

Woah I thought you were cool for one of the more honest kinds of liberal (European sense).

I'm a feminist. I oppose total bullshit, that's all. They gave a really weak argument that doesn't stand on its own two feet.
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Arcturus Novus
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:04 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:HuffPo is only true news~

Nah. WND.

I only trust the Colbert Report nowadays.
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Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.

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The Sanguinian Islands
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:04 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:#oppressed

Where does oppression come into play here, exactly?

My point.
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Mons Garle
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Postby Mons Garle » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:04 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:So Sweden and Germany?

And Australia.

And India. You know, the second most populous nation in the world.

Is that proof enough that non-binary genders exist for your standards?


For some people, evidence, facts & common sense just aren't enough to accept that people of all different genders/sexualities exist, and that it's a spectrum rather than just one or the other.
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Conkerials
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Postby Conkerials » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:04 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Liriena wrote:So am I, although it also worries me that mean-spirited mockery is the only thing you do in this thread. Throughout your participation, the vast majority of your posts have been pathetic attempts at humorous strawmen of what non-binary people feel or say. While everybody else is, at the very least, trying to keep this serious, even people who share your views, you are insulting and making fun of a vulnerable minority, because for some reason your mind can't process the idea of a human being being anything other than a man or a woman.

If your reaction to something you don't understand is to try to verbally humilliate it, then it seems to me that you have a serious problem.

I'm too narrow minded and uneducated to read that.

Not sure if serious.
He basically said you're only here to make fun of people that you don't understand.
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Degenerate Heart of HetRio
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:05 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:I'm too narrow minded and uneducated to read that.

The minimum age for the forums is 13.
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Postby Conkerials » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:05 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Liriena wrote:Nah. WND.

I only trust the Colbert Report nowadays.

I'm sorry for your loss.
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The Sanguinian Islands
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:05 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:So Sweden and Germany?

And Australia.

And India. You know, the second most populous nation in the world.

Is that proof enough that non-binary genders exist for your standards?

hijiras present as female

and Australia will be fixed soon.
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Degenerate Heart of HetRio
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:05 pm

Arkolon wrote:I'm a feminist.

Almost certainly not.
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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The Sanguinian Islands
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:06 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:I'm too narrow minded and uneducated to read that.

The minimum age for the forums is 13.

I'm being sarcastic.
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Arcturus Novus
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:06 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Where does oppression come into play here, exactly?

My point.

What? I never said anything about holding doors open being related to oppression. How is that your point?
Arcy (she/her), NS' fourth-favorite transsexual communist!
"I can fix her!" cool, I'm gonna make her worse.
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Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.

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Conkerials
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Postby Conkerials » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:06 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Liriena wrote:And Australia.

And India. You know, the second most populous nation in the world.

Is that proof enough that non-binary genders exist for your standards?

hijiras present as female

and Australia will be fixed soon.

Fixed? Are you being intentionally offensive again?
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Neutraligon
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:06 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Liriena wrote:So am I, although it also worries me that mean-spirited mockery is the only thing you do in this thread. Throughout your participation, the vast majority of your posts have been pathetic attempts at humorous strawmen of what non-binary people feel or say. While everybody else is, at the very least, trying to keep this serious, even people who share your views, you are insulting and making fun of a vulnerable minority, because for some reason your mind can't process the idea of a human being being anything other than a man or a woman.

If your reaction to something you don't understand is to try to verbally humilliate it, then it seems to me that you have a serious problem.

I'm too narrow minded and uneducated to read that.


At least you admit to having a problem. :D
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Degenerate Heart of HetRio
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:06 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:hijiras present as female

And why should that be celebrated?
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Postby Rocopurr » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:06 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:The minimum age for the forums is 13.

I'm being sarcastic.

Your sarcasm triggers me.
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Arkolon
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:07 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Arkolon wrote:You blighted your own credibility by dismissing the most widely-accepted economic system since time immemorial, which only displays whatever teenage angst you have in you because you force yourself to fight against the current system, whatever that system may be. Even worse, you blamed an economic system for social problems. I mean, what the fuck, man. Do you even know what capitalism is?

Are you personally insulted that people are communist? :blink:

I usually discuss philosophy on NSG, and can only take ideologies seriously if they are anchored in accepted political philosophy. If your reasoning for being a communist is because it's the total opposite of the current system and being an outcast makes you feel edgy, to me that's insulting. It's insulting because political philosophy is taken less seriously when that's the kind of stuff people defend their arguments with.
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Degenerate Heart of HetRio
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:07 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:The minimum age for the forums is 13.

I'm being sarcastic.

Not my fault if your debating skills are shaky.
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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