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How do you feel about transgender persons?

I have no problem with it.
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54%
It's a little odd but it's none of my business.
173
27%
It makes me uncomfortable.
34
5%
I think it's wrong and/or unnatural.
86
14%
 
Total votes : 632

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Degenerate Heart of HetRio
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:54 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Liriena wrote:Genderqueer is not a "special" gender identity. It's just a gender identity like any other (man, woman, etc.). Heck, amongst non-binary gender identities, it's pretty much the most widely acknowledged in Sweden

fixed

OHOHOHOHOHOHO SWEDEN I'M SO FUNNY IMAGINATIVE AND CREATIVE LAND OF LIBERAL FEMINIST PC GONE MAD OHOHOHOHOHOHO

Get real
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S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Lies and Ignorance
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Postby Lies and Ignorance » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:55 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Lies and Ignorance wrote:Not exactly. You see, humans are naturally clever, altruistic, and adaptive. However, capitalism has effectively squashed human nature through aggressive propaganda, military violence, and denial of the right to life. This leaves most humans under capitalism quite bereft. Abusive systems create traumatized societies, and traumatized societies that aren't allowed to heal tend to be hotbeds of irrationality.

Duuuude. What are you smoking?

I'm drinking orange juice. Vitamin C and all.
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Arcturus Novus
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:55 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Well, no gender is really special. Except guys. They get all sorts of special treatment.

sure then why do people open doors for me and pull chairs for me

Conservative Western societies educated it as the "polite and manly" thing to do. It was formerly impolite to perform otherwise.
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Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
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Liriena
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Postby Liriena » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:55 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Liriena wrote:I'm worried about you.

I'm worried about the future.

So am I, although it also worries me that mean-spirited mockery is the only thing you do in this thread. Throughout your participation, the vast majority of your posts have been pathetic attempts at humorous strawmen of what non-binary people feel or say. While everybody else is, at the very least, trying to keep this serious, even people who share your views, you are insulting and making fun of a vulnerable minority, because for some reason your mind can't process the idea of a human being being anything other than a man or a woman.

If your reaction to something you don't understand is to try to verbally humilliate it, then it seems to me that you have a serious problem.
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
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The Sanguinian Islands
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:55 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:fixed

OHOHOHOHOHOHO SWEDEN I'M SO FUNNY IMAGINATIVE AND CREATIVE LAND OF LIBERAL FEMINIST PC GONE MAD OHOHOHOHOHOHO

Get real

trying too hard dude just sit down and chill
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The Count of Monte Cristo
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Postby The Count of Monte Cristo » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:56 pm

Immoren wrote:
The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Aren´t you all ?

That'd be silly


You´re right. Some of you are lesbians. Others are hermaphrodites. And then there´s the transgender, the cisgender, guys who call their best male friend "sis",the transcisgender, the transylvanians, people who got vaginas that look like penises and penises that look like boobs. There´s women with farmers´ hands, and manly women who ejaculate semen through their fingers if they focus hard enough.
You can´t get more diversity than that. I feel like David Attenborough on a BBC Wildlife show.

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Immoren
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Postby Immoren » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:56 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:[
sure then why do people open doors for me


So that any assassin hiding behind the door would attack you instead of them.
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Arkolon
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:56 pm

Lies and Ignorance wrote:
Arkolon wrote:Duuuude. What are you smoking?

I'm drinking orange juice. Vitamin C and all.

You have seriously misunderstood capitalism. I know it's your angsty phase in life and all, but take your issues out on a topic you actually fathom, in the least.
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The Sanguinian Islands
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:56 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Immoren wrote:That'd be silly


You´re right. Some of you are lesbians. Others are hermaphrodites. And then there´s the transgender, the cisgender, guys who call their best male friend "sis",the transcisgender, the transylvanians, people who got vaginas that look like penises and penises that look like boobs. There´s women with farmers´ hands, and manly women who ejaculate semen through their fingers if they focus hard enough.
You can´t get more diversity than that. I feel like David Attenborough on a BBC Wildlife show.

You are marginalizing the 7000000 other genders
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Postby Liriena » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:57 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Liriena wrote:Genderqueer is not a "special" gender identity. It's just a gender identity like any other (man, woman, etc.). Heck, amongst non-binary gender identities, it's pretty much the most widely acknowledged in Sweden

fixed

Not really. Several other nations legally recognize non-binary people, not to mention all those where there is some degree of acknowledgement of them.

That was very cute of you, though.
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
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gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

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Degenerate Heart of HetRio
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:57 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:sure then why do people open doors for me and pull chairs for me

Symbolic courtship.

You're still seen as a walking baby factory ready to be the evolutionary tool for ~naturally sexually predatory beings~ (or so they always seem to imply) to use you as a manner of advancing property and lineage, as for the last 10000 years.

And that's exactly why your society panics at the thought of you not marrying a guy.
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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The Sanguinian Islands
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:57 pm

Immoren wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:[
sure then why do people open doors for me


So that any assassin hiding behind the door would attack you instead of them.

I am the assassin.
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Arcturus Novus
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:58 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
You´re right. Some of you are lesbians. Others are hermaphrodites. And then there´s the transgender, the cisgender, guys who call their best male friend "sis",the transcisgender, the transylvanians, people who got vaginas that look like penises and penises that look like boobs. There´s women with farmers´ hands, and manly women who ejaculate semen through their fingers if they focus hard enough.
You can´t get more diversity than that. I feel like David Attenborough on a BBC Wildlife show.

You are marginalizing the 7000000 other genders

Don't exaggerate to make a point. Fox News does the same thing and gets lampooned for it.
Arcy (she/her), NS' fourth-favorite transsexual communist!
"I can fix her!" cool, I'm gonna make her worse.
me - my politics - my twitter
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.

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The Sanguinian Islands
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:58 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:fixed

Not really. Several other nations legally recognize non-binary people, not to mention all those where there is some degree of acknowledgement of them.

That was very cute of you, though.

So Sweden and Germany?

Cute back at you.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:sure then why do people open doors for me and pull chairs for me

Symbolic courtship.

You're still seen as a walking baby factory ready to be the evolutionary tool for ~naturally sexually predatory beings~ (or so they always seem to imply) to use you as a manner of advancing property and lineage, as for the last 10000 years.

And that's exactly why your society panics at the thought of you not marrying a guy.

....no i'm not
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Postby Immoren » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:58 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Immoren wrote:
So that any assassin hiding behind the door would attack you instead of them.

I am the assassin.


Then who was the phone?
IC Flag Is a Pope Principia
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Postby Arkolon » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:58 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:sure then why do people open doors for me and pull chairs for me

Conservative Western societies educated it as the "polite and manly" thing to do. It was formerly impolite to perform otherwise.

So being polite and manly is inherently anti-egalitarian, oppressive, misogynistic, and is in no way help at all?
"Revisionism is nothing else than a theoretic generalisation made from the angle of the isolated capitalist. Where does this viewpoint belong theoretically if not in vulgar bourgeois economics?"
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:59 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:You are marginalizing the 7000000 other genders

Don't exaggerate to make a point. Fox News does the same thing and gets lampooned for it.

HuffPo is only true news~
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Postby Lies and Ignorance » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:59 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Lies and Ignorance wrote:I'm drinking orange juice. Vitamin C and all.

You have seriously misunderstood capitalism. I know it's your angsty phase in life and all, but take your issues out on a topic you actually fathom, in the least.

Would you like to try saying that again? Perhaps with less of a presumptive tone? And less inherent wrongness?
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Postby Liriena » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:59 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Immoren wrote:That'd be silly


You´re right. Some of you are lesbians. Others are hermaphrodites. And then there´s the transgender, the cisgender, guys who call their best male friend "sis",the transcisgender, the transylvanians, people who got vaginas that look like penises and penises that look like boobs. There´s women with farmers´ hands, and manly women who ejaculate semen through their fingers if they focus hard enough.
You can´t get more diversity than that. I feel like David Attenborough on a BBC Wildlife show.

Are you done trying to be NSG's foremost transphobic stand up comedian?
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:59 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:You are marginalizing your headmates

Can you please stop?

Transgenderness, otherkinness and multiple systems are societally related because of a subculture of a single side of the internet, but they are actually nothing alike, and I have serious transgender otherkin friends to know better.
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:59 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:sure then why do people open doors for me and pull chairs for me

Conservative Western societies educated it as the "polite and manly" thing to do. It was formerly impolite to perform otherwise.

#oppressed
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The Sanguinian Islands
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:01 pm

Lies and Ignorance wrote:
Arkolon wrote:You have seriously misunderstood capitalism. I know it's your angsty phase in life and all, but take your issues out on a topic you actually fathom, in the least.

Would you like to try saying that again? Perhaps with less of a presumptive tone? And less inherent wrongness?

Considering you are friends with Muslim Girl and Ranma 1 1/2 queergender I assume you are getting on a higher horse.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:02 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Conservative Western societies educated it as the "polite and manly" thing to do. It was formerly impolite to perform otherwise.

So being polite and manly is inherently anti-egalitarian, oppressive, misogynistic, and is in no way help at all?

Wait are you an anti-feminist

Woah I thought you were cool for one of the more honest kinds of liberal (European sense).
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Arcturus Novus
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:02 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Conservative Western societies educated it as the "polite and manly" thing to do. It was formerly impolite to perform otherwise.

So being polite and manly is inherently anti-egalitarian, oppressive, misogynistic, and is in no way help at all?

Not necessarily. However, the image of masculinity and what it means to be a "real man (tm)" can be somewhat damaging to all genders, more or less.
Arcy (she/her), NS' fourth-favorite transsexual communist!
"I can fix her!" cool, I'm gonna make her worse.
me - my politics - my twitter
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.

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Liriena
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Postby Liriena » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:02 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Liriena wrote:Not really. Several other nations legally recognize non-binary people, not to mention all those where there is some degree of acknowledgement of them.

That was very cute of you, though.

So Sweden and Germany?

And Australia.

And India. You know, the second most populous nation in the world.

Is that proof enough that non-binary genders exist for your standards?
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
if you passed biology and know
gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

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