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How do you feel about transgender persons?

I have no problem with it.
339
54%
It's a little odd but it's none of my business.
173
27%
It makes me uncomfortable.
34
5%
I think it's wrong and/or unnatural.
86
14%
 
Total votes : 632

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The Count of Monte Cristo
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Founded: Jun 19, 2013
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Postby The Count of Monte Cristo » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:43 pm

Lies and Ignorance wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:The x-men are not real

same as the otherkins and queergenders

I just wanted to remind everyone that I'm gay!


Aren´t you all ?

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Arcturus Novus
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Founded: Dec 03, 2011
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:43 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Oh, I was unaware I didn't exist. Huh.


We can not exist together. Hey, think I will get out of paying my student loan debt?

f so, that means I probably don't have to complete my summer assignment.
Arcy (she/her), NS' fourth-favorite transsexual communist!
"I can fix her!" cool, I'm gonna make her worse.
me - my politics - my twitter
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.

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Immoren
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Founded: Mar 20, 2010
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Postby Immoren » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:44 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Lies and Ignorance wrote:I just wanted to remind everyone that I'm gay!


Aren´t you all ?

That'd be silly
IC Flag Is a Pope Principia
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Lies and Ignorance
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Founded: Nov 21, 2013
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Postby Lies and Ignorance » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:44 pm

It's interesting how angry people get when I'm glad to be trans. I've dealt with people feeling slighted that my existence isn't crushingly miserable. I don't think I'll ever be able to understand this attitude.
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Conkerials
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Founded: Aug 06, 2012
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Postby Conkerials » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:45 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
We can not exist together. Hey, think I will get out of paying my student loan debt?

f so, that means I probably don't have to complete my summer assignment.

Does this mean I don't have to mow the lawn?
I'm just me
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/Right: -7.63
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Arcturus Novus
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Founded: Dec 03, 2011
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:45 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Lies and Ignorance wrote:I just wanted to remind everyone that I'm gay!


Aren´t you all ?

Mostly, yeah :D
Arcy (she/her), NS' fourth-favorite transsexual communist!
"I can fix her!" cool, I'm gonna make her worse.
me - my politics - my twitter
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.

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The Sanguinian Islands
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Founded: Jul 20, 2014
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:45 pm

"ure rong cuz muh feelingz ur opressing me cishetmale"
russian winter: 0
me: 1

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Antarticaria
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Founded: Sep 03, 2013
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Postby Antarticaria » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:46 pm

Essentially. Its none of my fucking business people can do whatever the fuck they want with their bodies to make their life reasonably happier.
Just a average person! Is that too straight forward?

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Lies and Ignorance
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Founded: Nov 21, 2013
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Postby Lies and Ignorance » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:46 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Lies and Ignorance wrote:I just wanted to remind everyone that I'm fabulous, cute, and gay! Carry on!

Huh, I thought you permanently moved to Tumblr.

Tumblr is for art and pop culture. NS is where I willingly raise my blood pressure for no reason.
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Immoren
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Founded: Mar 20, 2010
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Postby Immoren » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:46 pm

Lies and Ignorance wrote:It's interesting how angry people get when I'm glad to be trans. I've dealt with people feeling slighted that my existence isn't crushingly miserable. I don't think I'll ever be able to understand this attitude.


People are silly creatures
IC Flag Is a Pope Principia
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Zottistan
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Founded: Nov 26, 2011
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Postby Zottistan » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:47 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:"ure rong cuz muh feelingz ur opressing me cishetmale"

Such persuasive rhetoric. I'm at a loss for words.
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The Sanguinian Islands
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Founded: Jul 20, 2014
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:47 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:The x-men are not real

same as the otherkins and queergenders

Oh, I was unaware I didn't exist. Huh.

m8 you do exist

you are not a special gender tho
russian winter: 0
me: 1

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Liriena
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Founded: Nov 19, 2010
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Postby Liriena » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:48 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:"ure rong cuz muh feelingz ur opressing me cishetmale"

I'm worried about you.
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
if you passed biology and know
gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

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The Sanguinian Islands
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Founded: Jul 20, 2014
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:48 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:"ure rong cuz muh feelingz ur opressing me cishetmale"

I'm worried about you.

I'm worried about the future.
russian winter: 0
me: 1

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Conkerials
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Posts: 1172
Founded: Aug 06, 2012
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Postby Conkerials » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:48 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Oh, I was unaware I didn't exist. Huh.

m8 you do exist

you are not a special gender tho

I wasn't aware you had the right to dictate who people are.
I'm just me
Compass
Economic Left
/Right: -7.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69

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Arcturus Novus
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Posts: 6727
Founded: Dec 03, 2011
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:48 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Oh, I was unaware I didn't exist. Huh.

m8 you do exist

you are not a special gender tho

Well, no gender is really special. Except guys. They get all sorts of special treatment.
Arcy (she/her), NS' fourth-favorite transsexual communist!
"I can fix her!" cool, I'm gonna make her worse.
me - my politics - my twitter
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.

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Liriena
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Founded: Nov 19, 2010
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Postby Liriena » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:49 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:you are not a special gender tho

Genderqueer is not a "special" gender identity. It's just a gender identity like any other (man, woman, etc.). Heck, amongst non-binary gender identities, it's pretty much the most widely acknowledged in the Western hemisphere.
be gay do crime


I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
if you passed biology and know
gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

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Lies and Ignorance
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Posts: 2632
Founded: Nov 21, 2013
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Postby Lies and Ignorance » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:50 pm

Immoren wrote:
Lies and Ignorance wrote:It's interesting how angry people get when I'm glad to be trans. I've dealt with people feeling slighted that my existence isn't crushingly miserable. I don't think I'll ever be able to understand this attitude.


People are silly creatures

Not exactly. You see, humans are naturally clever, altruistic, and adaptive. However, capitalism has effectively squashed human nature through aggressive propaganda, military violence, and denial of the right to life. This leaves most humans under capitalism quite bereft. Abusive systems create traumatized societies, and traumatized societies that aren't allowed to heal tend to be hotbeds of irrationality.
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Degenerate Heart of HetRio
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Founded: Feb 12, 2014
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:51 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:m8 you do exist

you are not a special gender tho

Genderqueer is generally an umbrella term.

So it's dumb to assume it conveys anything other than "male and female are both incomplete descriptors about me". Often when you identify as male or female, but are trans and don't want to put up with binarist shit policing your body, your language, your life.

And no one is a gender, gender is your psychosocial identity. It's really not on your realm to dismiss because you don't rule our heads.
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Arkolon
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Posts: 9498
Founded: May 04, 2013
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:52 pm

Lies and Ignorance wrote:
Immoren wrote:
People are silly creatures

Not exactly. You see, humans are naturally clever, altruistic, and adaptive. However, capitalism has effectively squashed human nature through aggressive propaganda, military violence, and denial of the right to life. This leaves most humans under capitalism quite bereft. Abusive systems create traumatized societies, and traumatized societies that aren't allowed to heal tend to be hotbeds of irrationality.

Duuuude. What are you smoking?
"Revisionism is nothing else than a theoretic generalisation made from the angle of the isolated capitalist. Where does this viewpoint belong theoretically if not in vulgar bourgeois economics?"
Rosa Luxemburg

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The Sanguinian Islands
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Founded: Jul 20, 2014
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:53 pm

Conkerials wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:m8 you do exist

you are not a special gender tho

I wasn't aware you had the right to dictate who people are.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

not at all my intention


Arcturus Novus wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:m8 you do exist

you are not a special gender tho

Well, no gender is really special. Except guys. They get all sorts of special treatment.

sure then why do people open doors for me and pull chairs for me
Liriena wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:you are not a special gender tho

Genderqueer is not a "special" gender identity. It's just a gender identity like any other (man, woman, etc.). Heck, amongst non-binary gender identities, it's pretty much the most widely acknowledged in Sweden

fixed
russian winter: 0
me: 1

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Immoren
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Founded: Mar 20, 2010
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Postby Immoren » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:53 pm

Lies and Ignorance wrote:
Immoren wrote:
People are silly creatures

Not exactly. You see, humans are naturally clever, altruistic, and adaptive. However, capitalism has effectively squashed human nature through aggressive propaganda, military violence, and denial of the right to life. This leaves most humans under capitalism quite bereft. Abusive systems create traumatized societies, and traumatized societies that aren't allowed to heal tend to be hotbeds of irrationality.


Sounds long winded version of my post.
IC Flag Is a Pope Principia
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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The Sanguinian Islands
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Founded: Jul 20, 2014
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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:54 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:m8 you do exist

you are not a special gender tho

Genderqueer is generally an umbrella term.

So it's dumb to assume it conveys anything other than "male and female are both incomplete descriptors about me". Often when you identify as male or female, but are trans and don't want to put up with binarist shit policing your body, your language, your life.

And no one is a gender, gender is your psychosocial identity. It's really not on your realm to dismiss because you don't rule our heads.

You are marginalizing your headmates
russian winter: 0
me: 1

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Conkerials
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Founded: Aug 06, 2012
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Postby Conkerials » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:54 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
Conkerials wrote:I wasn't aware you had the right to dictate who people are.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

not at all my intention
That may be, but you clearly made an absolute statement in the above underlined.
I'm just me
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Economic Left
/Right: -7.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69

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Conkerials
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Postby Conkerials » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:54 pm

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I'm just me
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/Right: -7.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69

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