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How do you feel about transgender persons?

I have no problem with it.
339
54%
It's a little odd but it's none of my business.
173
27%
It makes me uncomfortable.
34
5%
I think it's wrong and/or unnatural.
86
14%
 
Total votes : 632

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Neutraligon
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:17 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Zottistan wrote:If she requires her sexual partners to have a penis, she should really be dating somebody who has a penis.


My point exactly. A real man, not a make belief version.


Mind answering why penetration is necessary?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:17 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Of course ! Who really needs a vagina for vaginal intercourse, right ?


Studies have indicated that there may be other kinds of possible intercourse and that the target's genital configuration may not be the sole basis for attraction.

Everyone knows that the only sex is penis-in-vagina, missionary position, lights off, socks on.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:18 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Studies have indicated that there may be other kinds of possible intercourse and that the target's genital configuration may not be the sole basis for attraction.

Everyone knows that the only sex is penis-in-vagina, missionary position, lights off, socks on.

Dress on as well, can't have the man looking.
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Postby Rocopurr » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:18 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Zottistan wrote:If she requires her sexual partners to have a penis, she should really be dating somebody who has a penis.


My point exactly. A real man, not a make belief version.

But if she's dating a pre-OP transman she likely doesn't mind that he has a vagina. Amazing.
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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:20 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Everyone knows that the only sex is penis-in-vagina, missionary position, lights off, socks on.

Dress on as well, can't have the man looking.

A naked woman would totally ruin the sex.
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Zottistan
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Postby Zottistan » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:20 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Zottistan wrote:If she requires her sexual partners to have a penis, she should really be dating somebody who has a penis.


My point exactly. A real man, not a make belief version.

"A person with a penis" is a more accurate and less intentionally insulting term than "a real man".
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Arcturus Novus
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:20 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Zottistan wrote:If she requires her sexual partners to have a penis, she should really be dating somebody who has a penis.


My point exactly. A real man, not a make belief version.

Transgendered indivuals are not pretending to identify as a gender apart from their assigned sex.
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Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.

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The Count of Monte Cristo
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Postby The Count of Monte Cristo » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:23 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
My point exactly. A real man, not a make belief version.

But if she's dating a pre-OP transman she likely doesn't mind that he has a vagina. Amazing.


What´s the difference between that and lesbian sex ? None, really. One them, the pre-OP transman, is In Character, pretending "he" is a man.
Like someone said, it´s all in one´s head even if, or rather especially if, the alleged man has only one head.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:24 pm

Zottistan wrote:
The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:My point exactly. A real man, not a make belief version.

"A person with a penis" is a more accurate and less intentionally insulting term than "a real man".

As someone attracted to men, I approve. The genitals aren't at all a necessary part of the pack, actually trans males often seem more interesting (no hate for fellow penis-owners, though).

Also, he seems to forget not everybody is hetero.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:25 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:What´s the difference between that and lesbian sex ? None, really. One them, the pre-OP transman, is In Character, pretending "he" is a man.
Like someone said, it´s all in one´s head even if, or rather especially if, the alleged man has only one head.

Except many cis gay guys fuck with trans men but not with cis women?

Same for cis hetero guys and cis lesbians and trans women, but not cis men.
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Postby The Count of Monte Cristo » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:32 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:What´s the difference between that and lesbian sex ? None, really. One them, the pre-OP transman, is In Character, pretending "he" is a man.
Like someone said, it´s all in one´s head even if, or rather especially if, the alleged man has only one head.

Except many cis gay guys fuck with trans men but not with cis women?

Same for cis hetero guys and cis lesbians and trans women, but not cis men.


I miss the gold old days when the only different people around were the X-Men.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:33 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:I miss the gold old days when the only different people around were the X-Men.

Well, I'm transgender and I like my fellow trans people.

But as we say in my country, not even Jesus pleased everybody.
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Postby The Sanguinian Islands » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:34 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Except many cis gay guys fuck with trans men but not with cis women?

Same for cis hetero guys and cis lesbians and trans women, but not cis men.


I miss the gold old days when the only different people around were the X-Men.

The x-men are not real

same as the otherkins and queergenders
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:36 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
I miss the gold old days when the only different people around were the X-Men.

The x-men are not real

same as the otherkins and queergenders

Oh, I was unaware I didn't exist. Huh.
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Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:37 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:I reckon there are more posts on this thread than there are transgender people in the world.

I'm sure there are more than 1400 "transgender" special snowflakes.

So oppressed by the kyriarchal white privlege

Is mean-spirited mockery your mother tongue or something?
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Postby Conkerials » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:37 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:The x-men are not real

same as the otherkins and queergenders

Oh, I was unaware I didn't exist. Huh.

Have you checked to see if you have a body lately?
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Postby Zottistan » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:37 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:The x-men are not real

same as the otherkins and queergenders

Oh, I was unaware I didn't exist. Huh.

Tough break, huh?
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Postby Immoren » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:38 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
I miss the gold old days when the only different people around were the X-Men.

The x-men are not real

same as the otherkins and queergenders


Obviously we haven't applied SCIENCE! enough.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:38 pm

Grand Russian Federation wrote:It's unnatural. You were meant to be the gender you were born as. There, I said it.

I don't need to say anything else.

You kinda do, given that what you just said is false.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
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gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

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Postby Liriena » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:38 pm

Estado Nacional wrote:As long as the State doesn't pay for their sex change surgeries, I'm cool.

Why?
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
if you passed biology and know
gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:39 pm

Conkerials wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Oh, I was unaware I didn't exist. Huh.

Have you checked to see if you have a body lately?

Well, unless half a bucket of KFC magically lost the meat off of its bones, then I at least have a digestive system and hands.
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Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.

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Postby Lies and Ignorance » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:40 pm

The Sanguinian Islands wrote:
The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
I miss the gold old days when the only different people around were the X-Men.

The x-men are not real

same as the otherkins and queergenders

I just wanted to remind everyone that I'm fabulous, cute, and gay! Carry on!
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:40 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:The x-men are not real

same as the otherkins and queergenders

Oh, I was unaware I didn't exist. Huh.


We can not exist together. Hey, think I will get out of paying my student loan debt?
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Degenerate Heart of HetRio
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:42 pm

No body means I no longer have to worry about being fat or unhealthy (and no, they aren't necessarily connected). Woo!
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:43 pm

Lies and Ignorance wrote:
The Sanguinian Islands wrote:The x-men are not real

same as the otherkins and queergenders

I just wanted to remind everyone that I'm fabulous, cute, and gay! Carry on!

Huh, I thought you permanently moved to Tumblr.
Arcy (she/her), NS' fourth-favorite transsexual communist!
"I can fix her!" cool, I'm gonna make her worse.
me - my politics - my twitter
Nilokeras wrote:there is of course an interesting thread to pull on [...]
Unfortunately we're all forced to participate in whatever baroque humiliation kink the OP has going on instead.

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