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How do you feel about transgender persons?

I have no problem with it.
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54%
It's a little odd but it's none of my business.
173
27%
It makes me uncomfortable.
34
5%
I think it's wrong and/or unnatural.
86
14%
 
Total votes : 632

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:34 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Maybe one day you'll grow a prehensile tail and have a ukulele for a voice box.

Since it seems to be bizarre non sequitur day and all.

I am laughing so much, omg.

You're fucking amazing.
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Postby The Count of Monte Cristo » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:35 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Oh yeah, the "only one right way to be trans" crowd. Don't forget the agender supremacists who claim that having any identity other than theirs is invalid, either.

More reasons we can't have nice things, I suppose.

Or the people who say I silence feminism by giving opinions when in female or transfeminine presence because I have "male passability privilege" and start to treat me like a "what about the menz" anti-feminist lite.

"*Rio's name* is indeed a man, folks. *Rio's name* only says shit. *Rio's name* can't be a feminist, not here and not wherever else. *Rio's name* nobody cares" A page with 5000+ followers in Facebook.


Actually I´ve always found "Degenerate" rather enlightening.

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Postby Distruzio » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:36 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Haha, true. But nonbinary is typically considered a different thing. I think.

By prejudiced truscum and invasive cisgender people who invade our self-determination that got nothing to do what they think. We are 100% trans. Actually the concept of more trans or less trans based on gender identity, [desire for] body modification or a nonsense scale where people intimately associate both as mutually exclusive is very hurtful to all of us.


Indeed. Which is why I dated pre-op as well as post-op M2F's. I didn't want to suggest to the woman that, in order to please me, she needed to modify her body in any way that she didn't already want to do.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:39 pm

Distruzio wrote:Indeed. Which is why I dated pre-op as well as post-op M2F's. I didn't want to suggest to the woman that, in order to please me, she needed to modify her body in any way that she didn't already want to do.

May people like you multiply.
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

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S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Postby The Count of Monte Cristo » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:41 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:By prejudiced truscum and invasive cisgender people who invade our self-determination that got nothing to do what they think. We are 100% trans. Actually the concept of more trans or less trans based on gender identity, [desire for] body modification or a nonsense scale where people intimately associate both as mutually exclusive is very hurtful to all of us.


Indeed. Which is why I dated pre-op as well as post-op M2F's. I didn't want to suggest to the woman that, in order to please me, she needed to modify her body in any way that she didn't already want to do.


Of course ! Who really needs a vagina for vaginal intercourse, right ?

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Postby Rocopurr » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:42 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Indeed. Which is why I dated pre-op as well as post-op M2F's. I didn't want to suggest to the woman that, in order to please me, she needed to modify her body in any way that she didn't already want to do.


Of course ! Who really needs a vagina for vaginal intercourse, right ?

Penis in vagina sex is overrated. Nose sex is where it's at.
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Postby Zottistan » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:43 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Indeed. Which is why I dated pre-op as well as post-op M2F's. I didn't want to suggest to the woman that, in order to please me, she needed to modify her body in any way that she didn't already want to do.


Of course ! Who really needs a vagina for vaginal intercourse, right ?

If you like vaginas, I'd advise dating people with vaginas.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:44 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Indeed. Which is why I dated pre-op as well as post-op M2F's. I didn't want to suggest to the woman that, in order to please me, she needed to modify her body in any way that she didn't already want to do.


Of course ! Who really needs a vagina for vaginal intercourse, right ?


Studies have indicated that there may be other kinds of possible intercourse and that the target's genital configuration may not be the sole basis for attraction.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:45 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Indeed. Which is why I dated pre-op as well as post-op M2F's. I didn't want to suggest to the woman that, in order to please me, she needed to modify her body in any way that she didn't already want to do.


Of course ! Who really needs a vagina for vaginal intercourse, right ?

There's multiple other forms of intercourse that are equally enjoyable, Herr Count.
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Postby Distruzio » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:46 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Indeed. Which is why I dated pre-op as well as post-op M2F's. I didn't want to suggest to the woman that, in order to please me, she needed to modify her body in any way that she didn't already want to do.


Of course ! Who really needs a vagina for vaginal intercourse, right ?


Who says that I'm only interested in vaginal intercourse?
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Postby The Count of Monte Cristo » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:53 pm

Distruzio wrote:
The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Of course ! Who really needs a vagina for vaginal intercourse, right ?


Who says that I'm only interested in vaginal intercourse?


Who says I´m interested in what you´re interested ?
I was just wondering, I got this bizarre notion that the genitalia makes the gender.
And the sex act per se. Imagine a pre-OP transman dating a girl. How he suppose to penetrate her ? With his huge, rock hard, sexy finger ?

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Postby Jormengand » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:54 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Who says that I'm only interested in vaginal intercourse?


Who says I´m interested in what you´re interested ?
I was just wondering, I got this bizarre notion that the genitalia makes the gender.
And the sex act per se. Imagine a pre-OP transman dating a girl. How he suppose to penetrate her ? With his huge, rock hard, sexy finger ?

Dildos exist for a reason.
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Postby Immoren » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:56 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Who says that I'm only interested in vaginal intercourse?


Who says I´m interested in what you´re interested ?
I was just wondering, I got this bizarre notion that the genitalia makes the gender.
And the sex act per se. Imagine a pre-OP transman dating a girl. How he suppose to penetrate her ? With his huge, rock hard, sexy finger ?


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Postby The Count of Monte Cristo » Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:58 pm

Jormengand wrote:
The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Who says I´m interested in what you´re interested ?
I was just wondering, I got this bizarre notion that the genitalia makes the gender.
And the sex act per se. Imagine a pre-OP transman dating a girl. How he suppose to penetrate her ? With his huge, rock hard, sexy finger ?

Dildos exist for a reason.


Supposed to be better than the real thing, you say.

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Postby Rocopurr » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:01 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Jormengand wrote:Dildos exist for a reason.


Supposed to be better than the real thing, you say.

That'd depend on who you ask. There are lots of ways for people with vaginas to please each other; you've just got to be creative.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:08 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Who says that I'm only interested in vaginal intercourse?


Who says I´m interested in what you´re interested ?
I was just wondering, I got this bizarre notion that the genitalia makes the gender.
And the sex act per se. Imagine a pre-OP transman dating a girl. How he suppose to penetrate her ? With his huge, rock hard, sexy finger ?


Why is penetration necessary?
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:08 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Who says I´m interested in what you´re interested ?
I was just wondering, I got this bizarre notion that the genitalia makes the gender.
And the sex act per se. Imagine a pre-OP transman dating a girl. How he suppose to penetrate her ? With his huge, rock hard, sexy finger ?


Why is penetration necessary?

Usually it's more fun.
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Postby The Count of Monte Cristo » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:09 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Supposed to be better than the real thing, you say.

That'd depend on who you ask. There are lots of ways for people with vaginas to please each other; you've just got to be creative.


Let me see if I get it. A pre-OP transman uses his vagina in a creative way to make the girl believe he´s got a penis ?
That must require a great deal of imagination. Great acting. Unbelievable suspension of disbelief from the girl. Intense role-play.
Pure fantasy sex. It´d be like a The Lord of The Rings/Porno mash-up.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:10 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Why is penetration necessary?

Usually it's more fun.


For some. Doesn't mean it is necessary.
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Postby Zottistan » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:11 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:That'd depend on who you ask. There are lots of ways for people with vaginas to please each other; you've just got to be creative.


Let me see if I get it. A pre-OP transman uses his vagina in a creative way to make the girl believe he´s got a penis ?
That must require a great deal of imagination. Great acting. Unbelievable suspension of disbelief from the girl. Intense role-play.
Pure fantasy sex. It´d be like a The Lord of The Rings/Porno mash-up.

If she requires her sexual partners to have a penis, she should really be dating somebody who has a penis.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:12 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Usually it's more fun.


For some. Doesn't mean it is necessary.

No, I agree. But y'know, straight people tend to think it is.
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Postby Rocopurr » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:12 pm

The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:That'd depend on who you ask. There are lots of ways for people with vaginas to please each other; you've just got to be creative.


Let me see if I get it. A pre-OP transman uses his vagina in a creative way to make the girl believe he´s got a penis ?
That must require a great deal of imagination. Great acting. Unbelievable suspension of disbelief from the girl. Intense role-play.
Pure fantasy sex. It´d be like a The Lord of The Rings/Porno mash-up.

Why does he need a penis? You don't need anything phallic to have sex and orgasm.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:13 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Let me see if I get it. A pre-OP transman uses his vagina in a creative way to make the girl believe he´s got a penis ?
That must require a great deal of imagination. Great acting. Unbelievable suspension of disbelief from the girl. Intense role-play.
Pure fantasy sex. It´d be like a The Lord of The Rings/Porno mash-up.

Why does he need a penis? You don't need anything phallic to have sex and orgasm.


I'm still wondering why penetration is necessary.
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Postby Jormengand » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:16 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:Why does he need a penis? You don't need anything phallic to have sex and orgasm.


I'm still wondering why penetration is necessary.

Because CoMC likes it that way.
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Postby The Count of Monte Cristo » Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:16 pm

Zottistan wrote:
The Count of Monte Cristo wrote:
Let me see if I get it. A pre-OP transman uses his vagina in a creative way to make the girl believe he´s got a penis ?
That must require a great deal of imagination. Great acting. Unbelievable suspension of disbelief from the girl. Intense role-play.
Pure fantasy sex. It´d be like a The Lord of The Rings/Porno mash-up.

If she requires her sexual partners to have a penis, she should really be dating somebody who has a penis.


My point exactly. A real man, not a make belief version.

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