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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:35 pm

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:I have read the Bible three times,

Are you sure you read it in English?
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote: and I need a source for why it is wrong to have a pro-American opinion?

Where in the Bible does it tell you to love America?
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote: That isn't imposition of a worldview on anyone.

You insisting that America needs to be a Christian nation is pretty much an imposition of worldview.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:Here's an imposition of worldview for you: forcing the teaching of evolution and environmentalism on students in science classes.

That's not a worldview; that's objective fact. A "worldview" implies that it's opinion, or somehow contestable or dependent on interpretation, or even, dare I say it, faith. In short, a worldview is something that is specific to one person's understanding of how the world works.
Teaching children scientific fact (as far as we can determine, anyway) is not an imposition at all, obviously. You need to be able to understand the state of the world to be a functioning person. It's like saying that 1+1=2 is a "worldview" - no, it isn't. It's reality. Deal with it.
And that's the great thing about science - if it's found to be wrong, it can be freely adapted and modified to be more accurate. We used to think germs weren't a thing, but then we discovered that they were, for example.
No matter how wrong it obviously is, faith-based understandings of their world, by their nature, can never change. That is their flaw.


This ties in with AP US History, because it definitely is revisionist to suit the anti-American bias of the globalists
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:36 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Are you sure you read it in English?

Where in the Bible does it tell you to love America?

You insisting that America needs to be a Christian nation is pretty much an imposition of worldview.

That's not a worldview; that's objective fact. A "worldview" implies that it's opinion, or somehow contestable or dependent on interpretation, or even, dare I say it, faith. In short, a worldview is something that is specific to one person's understanding of how the world works.
Teaching children scientific fact (as far as we can determine, anyway) is not an imposition at all, obviously. You need to be able to understand the state of the world to be a functioning person. It's like saying that 1+1=2 is a "worldview" - no, it isn't. It's reality. Deal with it.
And that's the great thing about science - if it's found to be wrong, it can be freely adapted and modified to be more accurate. We used to think germs weren't a thing, but then we discovered that they were, for example.
No matter how wrong it obviously is, faith-based understandings of their world, by their nature, can never change. That is their flaw.


This ties in with AP US History, because it definitely is revisionist to suit the anti-American bias of the globalists

Dude, American history isn't all roses and sending Natives to butterfly farms upstate.

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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:37 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:This ties in with AP US History, because it definitely is revisionist to suit the anti-American bias of the globalists

OK, so we're just babbling now?
In that case:
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:38 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
Everyone's entitled to worldview - but again, imposing it on other people is not fair, and if you read the Bible, not very Christian, either.


I have read the Bible three times, and I need a source for why it is wrong to have a pro-American opinion? That isn't imposition of a worldview on anyone.

Here's an imposition of worldview for you: forcing the teaching of evolution and environmentalism on students in science classes.


Read the Bible 1.5 times here and I can tell you that you're not a good Christian. Christians can't be patriots, as god's kingdom overrules all nations and states. Jesus was a socialist, anarcho-pacifist hippy.

Evolution sure is a worldview. It's called reality.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:39 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Are you sure you read it in English?

Where in the Bible does it tell you to love America?

You insisting that America needs to be a Christian nation is pretty much an imposition of worldview.

That's not a worldview; that's objective fact. A "worldview" implies that it's opinion, or somehow contestable or dependent on interpretation, or even, dare I say it, faith. In short, a worldview is something that is specific to one person's understanding of how the world works.
Teaching children scientific fact (as far as we can determine, anyway) is not an imposition at all, obviously. You need to be able to understand the state of the world to be a functioning person. It's like saying that 1+1=2 is a "worldview" - no, it isn't. It's reality. Deal with it.
And that's the great thing about science - if it's found to be wrong, it can be freely adapted and modified to be more accurate. We used to think germs weren't a thing, but then we discovered that they were, for example.
No matter how wrong it obviously is, faith-based understandings of their world, by their nature, can never change. That is their flaw.


This ties in with AP US History, because it definitely is revisionist to suit the anti-American bias of the globalists


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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:40 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
Everyone's entitled to worldview - but again, imposing it on other people is not fair, and if you read the Bible, not very Christian, either.


I have read the Bible three times, and I need a source for why it is wrong to have a pro-American opinion? That isn't imposition of a worldview on anyone.

Here's an imposition of worldview for you: forcing the teaching of evolution and environmentalism on students in science classes.


And teaching creationism wouldn't be such a imposition?

And, we need to teach our kids what has been proven to be true. All credible scientists and just about every major Church accepts evolution, since it's been proven right time and time again. Don't take the bible literally.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:46 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
I have read the Bible three times, and I need a source for why it is wrong to have a pro-American opinion? That isn't imposition of a worldview on anyone.

Here's an imposition of worldview for you: forcing the teaching of evolution and environmentalism on students in science classes.


And teaching creationism wouldn't be such a imposition?

And, we need to teach our kids what has been proven to be true. All credible scientists and just about every major Church accepts evolution, since it's been proven right time and time again. Don't take the bible literally.

In my opinion, it seems unreasonable to take the entire Bible literally, since it has been mistranslated and misinterpreted many, many times over the past 2,000 years, and the people who assembled the Bible we use today pretty much had free reign over what could be in it. There are hundreds of other books that did not get included in the Bible.

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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:56 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
I have read the Bible three times, and I need a source for why it is wrong to have a pro-American opinion? That isn't imposition of a worldview on anyone.

Here's an imposition of worldview for you: forcing the teaching of evolution and environmentalism on students in science classes.


And teaching creationism wouldn't be such a imposition?

And, we need to teach our kids what has been proven to be true. All credible scientists and just about every major Church accepts evolution, since it's been proven right time and time again. Don't take the bible literally.


It wouldn't be an imposition to teach Creation truths, but how is that relevant to this AP US History exam thread?
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:59 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
And teaching creationism wouldn't be such a imposition?

And, we need to teach our kids what has been proven to be true. All credible scientists and just about every major Church accepts evolution, since it's been proven right time and time again. Don't take the bible literally.


It wouldn't be an imposition to teach Creation truths, but how is that relevant to this AP US History exam thread?


Because it isn't true, it's make believe mythology pulled straight from a bronze age hermit's rectum. However, the AP History course is....reality?
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:59 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
And teaching creationism wouldn't be such a imposition?

And, we need to teach our kids what has been proven to be true. All credible scientists and just about every major Church accepts evolution, since it's been proven right time and time again. Don't take the bible literally.


It wouldn't be an imposition to teach Creation truths, but how is that relevant to this AP US History exam thread?

It isn't an imposition to teach creationism but it is an imposition to teach evolution? :rofl:
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Postby Othelos » Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:59 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:Are you sure you read it in English?

Where in the Bible does it tell you to love America?

You insisting that America needs to be a Christian nation is pretty much an imposition of worldview.

That's not a worldview; that's objective fact. A "worldview" implies that it's opinion, or somehow contestable or dependent on interpretation, or even, dare I say it, faith. In short, a worldview is something that is specific to one person's understanding of how the world works.
Teaching children scientific fact (as far as we can determine, anyway) is not an imposition at all, obviously. You need to be able to understand the state of the world to be a functioning person. It's like saying that 1+1=2 is a "worldview" - no, it isn't. It's reality. Deal with it.
And that's the great thing about science - if it's found to be wrong, it can be freely adapted and modified to be more accurate. We used to think germs weren't a thing, but then we discovered that they were, for example.
No matter how wrong it obviously is, faith-based understandings of their world, by their nature, can never change. That is their flaw.


This ties in with AP US History, because it definitely is revisionist to suit the anti-American bias of the globalists

America isn't exceptional. It has its own issues, including major ones historically.

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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:00 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
And teaching creationism wouldn't be such a imposition?

And, we need to teach our kids what has been proven to be true. All credible scientists and just about every major Church accepts evolution, since it's been proven right time and time again. Don't take the bible literally.


It wouldn't be an imposition to teach Creation truths, but how is that relevant to this AP US History exam thread?


So, it's an imposition to teach evolution, but not to teach creationism? Are you seeing the flawed logic?
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Postby Othelos » Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:00 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
It wouldn't be an imposition to teach Creation truths, but how is that relevant to this AP US History exam thread?


Because it isn't true, it's make believe mythology pulled straight from a bronze age hermit's rectum. However, the AP History course is....reality?

Yep.

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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:01 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
And teaching creationism wouldn't be such a imposition?

And, we need to teach our kids what has been proven to be true. All credible scientists and just about every major Church accepts evolution, since it's been proven right time and time again. Don't take the bible literally.


It wouldn't be an imposition to teach Creation truths,

Yes, it would. It's generally considered bad (and an imposition) to lie to children.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote: but how is that relevant to this AP US History exam thread?

I have no idea. You brought it up, as you'll recall.
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Your god is imaginary and America is a tyrannical empire.
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Posting youtube videos for no real reason is downright spammy. Please, stop ignoring arguments, and debate.
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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:03 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:


Your god is imaginary and America is a tyrannical empire.


That's not true!
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:05 pm

The Scientific States wrote:Posting youtube videos for no real reason is downright spammy. Please, stop ignoring arguments, and debate.

He's clearly not interested in debating.
Does anybody else find it hilarious he just linked the same video twice for literally no reason?
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:08 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Your god is imaginary and America is a tyrannical empire.


That's not true!


God is nothing more than psychological subconscious that is used to personify an all loving creator to make life feel meaningful for believers. It's a naturally developed self-help, but that doesn't make it true. It's still make believe, "god of the gaps".

America is an empire. We are a superpower that topples governments at will and we have been doing so since WW1.
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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:10 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:America is an empire. We are a superpower that topples governments at will and we have been doing so since WW1.


No, we aren't an empire, though I admit I would support US military expansion as we need some more territory and we need to bring American values to foreign lands.
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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:11 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:God is nothing more than psychological subconscious that is used to personify an all loving creator to make life feel meaningful for believers. It's a naturally developed self-help, but that doesn't make it true. It's still make believe, "god of the gaps".


Not true, because without God nothing could exist.
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Postby Othelos » Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:11 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Your god is imaginary and America is a tyrannical empire.


That's not true!

America generally has good intentions when it comes to foreign policy, but it messes up. A lot.

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Postby Othelos » Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:12 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:America is an empire. We are a superpower that topples governments at will and we have been doing so since WW1.


No, we aren't an empire, though I admit I would support US military expansion as we need some more territory and we need to bring American values to foreign lands.

Because imposing beliefs and our culture and others is totally worth destabilizing the entire world, right?

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:God is nothing more than psychological subconscious that is used to personify an all loving creator to make life feel meaningful for believers. It's a naturally developed self-help, but that doesn't make it true. It's still make believe, "god of the gaps".


Not true, because without God nothing could exist.

Without humans, god wouldn't exist
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:12 pm

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:God is nothing more than psychological subconscious that is used to personify an all loving creator to make life feel meaningful for believers. It's a naturally developed self-help, but that doesn't make it true. It's still make believe, "god of the gaps".


Not true, because without God nothing could exist.


I'm guessing you can't prove that?
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