Your religious affiliation, or lack thereof, and why?

[Neutraligon]

I never did see god as omnibenevolent. The idea of a just god and omnibenevolent god just don't work together. Besides, the the god I believed in was pretty much a tribal god, only interested in his chosen people.

Well the chosen people are supposed to be interested in humanity so......

However if that god had to choose between his tribe and the rest of humanity, he would protect his tribe, supposedly, hence why I said a tribal god.

[Neutraligon]

No, that is the definition. It's in the Holy Bible, which, believe it or not, is the Abrahamic Holy Writ. Here are a few verse to show you.

Psalms 86:5
Psalms 25:8
Mark 10:18
Psalms 52:1
Romans 2:4
Exodus 34:6
2 Thessalonians 1:11
Jeremiah 33:9
Psalms 34:8
Psalms 36:5-9
Psalms 96:4
Psalms 100:5
Psalms 135:3
Psalms 145:9
Lamentations 3:22-25
Nahum 1:7
John 3:16-17
Romans 5:8
Romans 6:23
Romans 10:9-13
2 Corinthians 1:3-4
Ephesians 2:8-9
Titus 3:5
1 John 4:8-10
Exodus 33:18
Romans 1:20
Romans 2:6-11

why are you quoting Psalms so much? psalms are prayers and devotions.

[Menassa]

Well the chosen people are supposed to be interested in humanity so......

However if that god had to choose between his tribe and the rest of humanity, he would protect his tribe, supposedly, hence why I said a tribal god.

If you have been chosen for an eternal mission, your place is eternal.

[Neutraligon]

However if that god had to choose between his tribe and the rest of humanity, he would protect his tribe, supposedly, hence why I said a tribal god.

If you have been chosen for an eternal mission, your place is eternal.

What?

[Menassa]

If you have been chosen for an eternal mission, your place is eternal.

What?

I didn't quite understand what you meant, would God choose the Jews for survival over all of humanity is that your question?

[Bari]

No, that is the definition. It's in the Holy Bible, which, believe it or not, is the Abrahamic Holy Writ. Here are a few verse to show you.

Psalms 86:5
Psalms 25:8
Mark 10:18
Psalms 52:1
Romans 2:4
Exodus 34:6
2 Thessalonians 1:11
Jeremiah 33:9
Psalms 34:8
Psalms 36:5-9
Psalms 96:4
Psalms 100:5
Psalms 135:3
Psalms 145:9
Lamentations 3:22-25
Nahum 1:7
John 3:16-17
Romans 5:8
Romans 6:23
Romans 10:9-13
2 Corinthians 1:3-4
Ephesians 2:8-9
Titus 3:5
1 John 4:8-10
Exodus 33:18
Romans 1:20
Romans 2:6-11

And as I said you are choosing to believe the simple claims that he is good and ignoring his actions which show otherwise.
That's why you were projecting when you claimed that I 'cherry-pick'.
Most amusing.

I'm not cherry picking. I acknowledge what God has done. You, however, are disregarding the definition of God and then going on to say, "Well, objectively He must be evil!"

There's two problems with that. You are projecting human morals on God, Who is not a human. And you are disregarding the definition of God.

No, that is the definition. It's in the Holy Bible, which, believe it or not, is the Abrahamic Holy Writ. Here are a few verse to show you.

Psalms 86:5
Psalms 25:8
Mark 10:18
Psalms 52:1
Romans 2:4
Exodus 34:6
2 Thessalonians 1:11
Jeremiah 33:9
Psalms 34:8
Psalms 36:5-9
Psalms 96:4
Psalms 100:5
Psalms 135:3
Psalms 145:9
Lamentations 3:22-25
Nahum 1:7
John 3:16-17
Romans 5:8
Romans 6:23
Romans 10:9-13
2 Corinthians 1:3-4
Ephesians 2:8-9
Titus 3:5
1 John 4:8-10
Exodus 33:18
Romans 1:20
Romans 2:6-11

why are you quoting Psalms so much? psalms are prayers and devotions.

The Psalms are still relevant.

[Neutraligon]

What?

I didn't quite understand what you meant, would God choose the Jews for survival over all of humanity is that your question?

Yes and no. I am saying that if the God of Israel were somehow in a situation where a choice had to be made between the people of Israel and the rest of the world, he would choose the people of Israel over the rest of the world.

[Genivaria]

And as I said you are choosing to believe the simple claims that he is good and ignoring his actions which show otherwise.
That's why you were projecting when you claimed that I 'cherry-pick'.
Most amusing.

I'm not cherry picking. I acknowledge what God has done. You, however, are disregarding the definition of God and then going on to say, "Well, objectively He must be evil!"

There's two problems with that. You are projecting human morals on God, Who is not a human. And you are disregarding the definition of God.

I am not saying 'objectively He must be evil!', I am saying BY GOD'S OWN STANDARDS he would be evil.

And I don't understand why you criticize human morals, modern human morals promote kindess to animals, equality of women and other races, abolition of slavery, kindness to children and the poor, and even tolerance of other beliefs.
All very modern values.
If those are wrong I don't want to be right.

[Neutraligon]

And as I said you are choosing to believe the simple claims that he is good and ignoring his actions which show otherwise.
That's why you were projecting when you claimed that I 'cherry-pick'.
Most amusing.

I'm not cherry picking. I acknowledge what God has done. You, however, are disregarding the definition of God and then going on to say, "Well, objectively He must be evil!"

There's two problems with that. You are projecting human morals on God, Who is not a human. And you are disregarding the definition of God.

why are you quoting Psalms so much? psalms are prayers and devotions.

The Psalms are still relevant.

How, they are simply people trying to get something from god. Ever heard of sucking up to the boss? At best they are human opinion of what they think god might be like. It no more defines god than my saying god is a malevolent bully defines god.

[Menassa]

I didn't quite understand what you meant, would God choose the Jews for survival over all of humanity is that your question?

Yes and no. I am saying that if the God of Israel were somehow in a situation where a choice had to be made between the people of Israel and the rest of the world, he would choose the people of Israel over the rest of the world.

I don't think that's entirely true:
For what was Israel chosen?
To be a light unto the nations.
Can Israel be a light unto the nations with no nations?

[Neutraligon]

Yes and no. I am saying that if the God of Israel were somehow in a situation where a choice had to be made between the people of Israel and the rest of the world, he would choose the people of Israel over the rest of the world.

I don't think that's entirely true:
For what was Israel chosen?
To be a light unto the nations.
Can Israel be a light unto the nations with no nations?

Who said all the other nations would be entirely wiped out?

[Menassa]

I don't think that's entirely true:
For what was Israel chosen?
To be a light unto the nations.
Can Israel be a light unto the nations with no nations?

Who said all the other nations would be entirely wiped out?

Was that not your hypothetical?

[Bari]

I'm not cherry picking. I acknowledge what God has done. You, however, are disregarding the definition of God and then going on to say, "Well, objectively He must be evil!"

There's two problems with that. You are projecting human morals on God, Who is not a human. And you are disregarding the definition of God.

I am not saying 'objectively He must be evil!', I am saying BY GOD'S OWN STANDARDS he would be evil.

I see what you are saying, but the only way I can see this ending is you saying God has set double standards.

That's why you were projecting when you claimed that I 'cherry-pick'.
Most amusing.[/quote]

I'm not cherry picking. I acknowledge what God has done. You, however, are disregarding the definition of God and then going on to say, "Well, objectively He must be evil!"

There's two problems with that. You are projecting human morals on God, Who is not a human. And you are disregarding the definition of God.

why are you quoting Psalms so much? psalms are prayers and devotions.

The Psalms are still relevant.[/quote]

How, they are simply people trying to get something from god. Ever heard of sucking up to the boss? At best they are human opinion of what they think god might be like. It no more defines god than my saying god is a malevolent bully defines god.[/quote]
Except they have been divinely revealed, meaning they contain truth.

[Neutraligon]

Who said all the other nations would be entirely wiped out?

Was that not your hypothetical?

NO, I simply said that god would choose one over the other. God does not always entirely wipe out the other nations. Also, supposedly eventually the Jews would no longer need to be the light, since everyone would follow god. If god did wipe out everyone else the same ends would be achieved, although with far fewer people.

[Neutraligon]

How, they are simply people trying to get something from god. Ever heard of sucking up to the boss? At best they are human opinion of what they think god might be like. It no more defines god than my saying god is a malevolent bully defines god.

Except they have been divinely revealed, meaning they contain truth.

How are prayers divinely revealed? How are requests divinely revealed? That makes no sense at all.

[Genivaria]

I am not saying 'objectively He must be evil!', I am saying BY GOD'S OWN STANDARDS he would be evil.

I see what you are saying, but the only way I can see this ending is you saying God has set double standards.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!!

[Menassa]

Was that not your hypothetical?

NO, I simply said that god would choose one over the other. God does not always entirely wipe out the other nations.

Let us take Israel and Rome, God would choose Israel over Rome because of Israel's mission.

Also, supposedly eventually the Jews would no longer need to be the light, since everyone would follow god.

When the Messiah comes.

If god did wipe out everyone else the same ends would be achieved, although with far fewer people.

How could God reward people for good if they didn't have a chance to do good?

[Neutraligon]

NO, I simply said that god would choose one over the other. God does not always entirely wipe out the other nations.

Let us take Israel and Rome, God would choose Israel over Rome because of Israel's mission.

Also, supposedly eventually the Jews would no longer need to be the light, since everyone would follow god.

When the Messiah comes.

If god did wipe out everyone else the same ends would be achieved, although with far fewer people.

How could God reward people for good if they didn't have a chance to do good?

How would they be prevented from doing good? They could still aid their fellow Jews.

[Bari]

I see what you are saying, but the only way I can see this ending is you saying God has set double standards.

That's why you were projecting when you claimed that I 'cherry-pick'.
Most amusing.

I'm not cherry picking. I acknowledge what God has done. You, however, are disregarding the definition of God and then going on to say, "Well, objectively He must be evil!"

There's two problems with that. You are projecting human morals on God, Who is not a human. And you are disregarding the definition of God.

why are you quoting Psalms so much? psalms are prayers and devotions.

The Psalms are still relevant.

How, they are simply people trying to get something from god. Ever heard of sucking up to the boss? At best they are human opinion of what they think god might be like. It no more defines god than my saying god is a malevolent bully defines god.[/quote]
Except they have been divinely revealed, meaning they contain truth.[/quote]

How are prayers divinely revealed? How are requests divinely revealed? That makes no sense at all.[/quote]

The Holy Bible and its contents, according to the Abrahamic religions, are divinely revealed/inspired, meaning there is truth in what it says to some extent or another. So the verses I quoted say things such as, "God is good." If that were divinely inspired, it would mean that there is truth in that statement.

I think what you a re confused about is you believe that every single part of the Psalms is a supplication or exhortation or something like that. But what I have quoted was statements.

[Menassa]

Let us take Israel and Rome, God would choose Israel over Rome because of Israel's mission.


When the Messiah comes.

How could God reward people for good if they didn't have a chance to do good?

How would they be prevented from doing good? They could still aid their fellow Jews.

You lost me.

[Bari]

I see what you are saying, but the only way I can see this ending is you saying God has set double standards.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!!

I have two things to say on your conclusion.

Firstly, double standards are not intrinsically evil, so these, by no means, make God evil.

Secondly, and you, more likely than not, will not appreciate this. Nevertheless, it must be said. Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi, meaning God is allowed to do that which we, as humans, are not allowed to do by reason of His status as God.
In addition, there are different standards. When you say, "BY GOD'S OWN STANDARDS," I assume you mean God's standards for humans. He, however, is not human, meaning those do not apply to Him justifiably.

[Neutraligon]

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!!

I have two things to say on your conclusion.

Firstly, double standards are not intrinsically evil, so these, by no means, make God evil.

Secondly, and you, more likely than not, will not appreciate this. Nevertheless, it must be said. Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi, meaning God is allowed to do that which we, as humans, are not by reason of His stays as God.
But there are different standards. When you say, "BY GOD'S OWN STANDARDS," I assume you mean God's standards for humans. He, however, is not human, meaning those do not apply to Him justifiably.

So basically special pleading. By what criteria are you using to determine god is good? Or are you simply saying god is good because the bible said he is. If that is the case, you could be definition say any action is god. A double standard simply shows how much of a hypocrite god is. If god is unable to follow his own commandments, then that god should not have made the commandments in the first place.

[Neutraligon]

How are prayers divinely revealed? How are requests divinely revealed? That makes no sense at all.

The Holy Bible and its contents, according to the Abrahamic religions, are divinely revealed/inspired, meaning there is truth in what it says to some extent or another. So the verses I quoted say things such as, "God is good." If that were divinely inspired, it would mean that there is truth in that statement.

I think what you a re confused about is you believe that every single part of the Psalms is a supplication or exhortation or something like that. But what I have quoted was statements.

No they aren't. They are supplications of god for assistance or are praise to try and suck up to said god. They make no claim to fact, only to what the person making that prayer believes.

[Benuty]

Let us take Israel and Rome, God would choose Israel over Rome because of Israel's mission.


When the Messiah comes.

How could God reward people for good if they didn't have a chance to do good?

How would they be prevented from doing good? They could still aid their fellow Jews.

They could not do good if they had no chance for it so how could they possibly aid other Jews?
.

[Bari]

I have two things to say on your conclusion.

Firstly, double standards are not intrinsically evil, so these, by no means, make God evil.

Secondly, and you, more likely than not, will not appreciate this. Nevertheless, it must be said. Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi, meaning God is allowed to do that which we, as humans, are not by reason of His stays as God.
But there are different standards. When you say, "BY GOD'S OWN STANDARDS," I assume you mean God's standards for humans. He, however, is not human, meaning those do not apply to Him justifiably.

So basically special pleading. By what criteria are you using to determine god is good? Or are you simply saying god is good because the bible said he is. If that is the case, you could be definition say any action is god. A double standard simply shows how much of a hypocrite god is. If god is unable to follow his own commandments, then that god should not have made the commandments in the first place.

I don't see how that is special pleading. Standards are set for a particular purpose and concept. Therefore, standards for one concept do not apply to an entirely separate concept. We do not apply human standards to animals, for example.

There is one very relevant and very moving criterion, and that would be the very definition of God.

The Holy Bible, being the Abrahamic Holy Writ concerning the Abrahamic God, yes, I would say has more authority on determining what is and what is not God than you do.

I'm assuming you understand the difference between God and a human, so you can't compare God to a human and, thereby, impose the different standards.

"If god is unable to follow his own commandments," -- This is an assumption you have no reason to believe. You don't know what God is or is not capable of.

"then that god should not have made the commandments in the first place." -- I know I might sound crazy but maybe, just maybe, those commandments weren't intended for God. I know, it's crazy, but maybe, when God communicated those commandments to people, had them distributed among people and had those commandments concerning human, temporal things, then maybe God intended them for people. It's a craaaaazy line of thought, but it might just work.

The Holy Bible and its contents, according to the Abrahamic religions, are divinely revealed/inspired, meaning there is truth in what it says to some extent or another. So the verses I quoted say things such as, "God is good." If that were divinely inspired, it would mean that there is truth in that statement.

I think what you a re confused about is you believe that every single part of the Psalms is a supplication or exhortation or something like that. But what I have quoted was statements.

No they aren't. They are supplications of god for assistance or are praise to try and suck up to said god. They make no claim to fact, only to what the person making that prayer believes.

"God is good" is, in itself, a declaration. Them, being used in a supplicative or exhortative context, does not, in any way, affect the truthfulness of that declaration.

Even if it did, there still remain countless other verses that confirm that the Holy Bible does, in fact, verify the omnibenevolence of God.