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Gauthier wrote:Another edgy hipster cheerleading for ISIS. How original.

They really need to just stick to cluttering up II.

Fortschritte wrote:

The All-Natural Future wrote:ISIS are liberators. They are young people taking their country back from the international foreign occupiers.

They're committing a god damn genocide. How that's "taking their country back" is beyond me.

I wouldn't go that far, but they certainly are a bunch of murderous reactionary thugs.

The Seleucids wrote:

Al Nahar wrote:
Exactly, the question is unless you are living in Iran or Damascus, or rather part of their regimes what makes you love them so much? People denounce western intervention yet Iran has so far increased the chaos and destruction that was also started by the United States. And has also waged its campaign of trying to create a Shia crescent under its control in Arab countries. You want human rights, yet you support regimes that pretty much systematically oppress religious and ethnic groups. The only difference between them and Daesh is that Daesh cuts heads and puts it on TVs. Iran and her allies are just more...say sophisticated or just hide it better.

How ignorent can you be? The biggest creators and supporters are Arab themselves, look at Saudi-Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait. All famous supporters of Al-Qaeda & the likes. These are the groups that create the chaos that there is, not Iran. Please get yourself a good and objective look at the situation in the middle east and see where it comes from.
There are only two realistic options in the Middle-East, either Saudi-Arabia controlls it or Iran does, well i don't know about you but i rather have Iran then Saudi-Arabia in charge, if only for the sake of the people.

Neither of them are helping.

The All-Natural Future wrote:

The balkens wrote:
How the fuck are Kurd's and Iraqis and Syrians former occupiers?

Asaad's Syria is an Alawite occupation of Sunni lands. Iraq is a Shia/American occupation of Sunni lands.

+1 However you need to understand how Assad betrayed the Arab people turned his country towards Iran. To refrain from using Shia, because there are a lot of Shia that are good people, would be an American failure and destruction of iraq and an Iranian regime de-factio occupation. On your ISIS point they aren't liberating shit, they are a bunch of criminals that need to be annihilated from this planet.

Looks like their doing a great job in Mosul. A great job of ruining the place. The fact they even passed out some justification for the raping and "sex slaving" of "non-believer" women using the Quran is just worst. Especially as a Muslim it just makes it a double-whammy for me. Course their only reason for getting away with much of what they do is thanks to the conditions of the region that gives them the opportunity and means to conduct their terror ops.

How any sane Muslim could ever give them credence would simply be beyond me...

Arkotania wrote:How any sane Muslim could ever give them credence would simply be beyond me...

Like anyone has ever thought ISIS fighters are sane.

The Transcaucasian Democratic Republic wrote:

Arkotania wrote:How any sane Muslim could ever give them credence would simply be beyond me...

Like anyone has ever thought ISIS fighters are sane.

Dismissing them as insane is lazy. It's an excuse to avoid looking at why thousands of people would arrive at the conclusion that murder is the answer to their problems. Not that I know the answer. But dismissing a movement this large and this powerful as simply insane is a convenient excuse to avoid seriously considering their perspective.

Brutal murder and rape does not mingle in the realm of the sane. There is no perspective worth considering to justify their actions. Not only are they terrorists, but grieve threats to humanity. Th problem of their leadership is unsolvable, as power lust and radicalism is not some textbook case you solve with a kind word and a hug. While the recruit base might be solved, allowing the organization to exist WILL hamper any attempts to solving the problem.

So yes, being large and powerful can just as easily be attributed to mental illness, thus insanity.

Arkotania wrote:Brutal murder and rape does not mingle in the realm of the sane.

So humanity was insane during the majority oif its history ?

The Alma Mater wrote:

Arkotania wrote:Brutal murder and rape does not mingle in the realm of the sane.

So humanity was insane during the majority oif its history ?

Pretty much. Just as there is signs of achieving betterment, we all together take a dip into the dark abyss once again. Perhaps insanity begets insanity. Perhaps its all just a case of the lesser evil..

Bontavation wrote:

The Transcaucasian Democratic Republic wrote:Like anyone has ever thought ISIS fighters are sane.

Dismissing them as insane is lazy. It's an excuse to avoid looking at why thousands of people would arrive at the conclusion that murder is the answer to their problems. Not that I know the answer. But dismissing a movement this large and this powerful as simply insane is a convenient excuse to avoid seriously considering their perspective.

You can attribute it to ignorance and poverty all you want but I consider them insane due to the fact that they rape, torture and murder human beings arguing their religions permits that sort of behaviour and even calls on them to do so.

The Transcaucasian Democratic Republic wrote:

Bontavation wrote:
Dismissing them as insane is lazy. It's an excuse to avoid looking at why thousands of people would arrive at the conclusion that murder is the answer to their problems. Not that I know the answer. But dismissing a movement this large and this powerful as simply insane is a convenient excuse to avoid seriously considering their perspective.

You can attribute it to ignorance and poverty all you want but I consider them insane due to the fact that they rape, torture and murder human beings arguing their religions permits that sort of behaviour and even calls on them to do so.

Is it insane then to obey a being vastly more powerful than you, who will punish you for all eternity if you refuse ?

The Alma Mater wrote:

The Transcaucasian Democratic Republic wrote:You can attribute it to ignorance and poverty all you want but I consider them insane due to the fact that they rape, torture and murder human beings arguing their religions permits that sort of behaviour and even calls on them to do so.

Is it insane then to obey a being vastly more powerful than you, who will punish you for all eternity if you refuse ?

Given there's no evidence said being exists, yes.

http://m.theatlantic.com/international/ ... er/383264/

Wtf, Erdogan? You allow this? Are you f*cking kidding me? Wake up. ISIL is the blasphemy, they won't bring back the Ottoman Empire! ISIL has killed more people than the Kurds and are trading in slaves, torturing, raping.
Go back Erdogan - to your Islamic Caliphate where thee belongst!

Edit: And now I'll have to calm down. Sorry for my outrage. But I swear, I hate those idiots..

Herargon wrote:http://m.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/turkey-denies-isis-is-operating-from-its-side-of-the-border/383264/

Wtf, Erdogan? You allow this? Are you f*cking kidding me? Wake up. ISIL is the blasphemy, they won't bring back the Ottoman Empire! ISIL has killed more people than the Kurds and are trading in slaves, torturing, raping.
Go back Erdogan - to your Islamic Caliphate where thee belongst!

Edit: And now I'll have to calm down. Sorry for my outrage. But I swear, I hate those idiots..

That's about two weeks old. Been a while since that was proven wrong. I don't say Erdogan hates ISIS but still the country is not his personal playground and the Turkish Armed Forces will in no way allow ISIS militants to get near to the Turkish border.

Gezi Park wrote:

Herargon wrote:http://m.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/turkey-denies-isis-is-operating-from-its-side-of-the-border/383264/

Wtf, Erdogan? You allow this? Are you f*cking kidding me? Wake up. ISIL is the blasphemy, they won't bring back the Ottoman Empire! ISIL has killed more people than the Kurds and are trading in slaves, torturing, raping.
Go back Erdogan - to your Islamic Caliphate where thee belongst!

Edit: And now I'll have to calm down. Sorry for my outrage. But I swear, I hate those idiots..

That's about two weeks old. Been a while since that was proven wrong. I don't say Erdogan hates ISIS but still the country is not his personal playground and the Turkish Armed Forces will in no way allow ISIS militants to get near to the Turkish border.

They have been near the border in Kobani for how goddamn long?

The balkens wrote:

Gezi Park wrote:
That's about two weeks old. Been a while since that was proven wrong. I don't say Erdogan hates ISIS but still the country is not his personal playground and the Turkish Armed Forces will in no way allow ISIS militants to get near to the Turkish border.

They have been near the border in Kobani for how goddamn long?

Two weeks? Dang it! I didn't see that.
And to Balkens; for about a few months already.

Parti Ouvrier wrote:

The Seleucids wrote:
How ignorent can you be? The biggest creators and supporters are Arab themselves, look at Saudi-Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait. All famous supporters of Al-Qaeda & the likes. These are the groups that create the chaos that there is, not Iran. Please get yourself a good and objective look at the situation in the middle east and see where it comes from.
There are only two realistic options in the Middle-East, either Saudi-Arabia controlls it or Iran does, well i don't know about you but i rather have Iran then Saudi-Arabia in charge, if only for the sake of the people.

Neither of them are helping.

True, but in the end those are the realistic two options we have, and i have rather Iran over there in charge then Saudi-Arabia.

Al Nahar wrote:

The All-Natural Future wrote:Asaad's Syria is an Alawite occupation of Sunni lands. Iraq is a Shia/American occupation of Sunni lands.

+1 However you need to understand how Assad betrayed the Arab people turned his country towards Iran. To refrain from using Shia, because there are a lot of Shia that are good people, would be an American failure and destruction of iraq and an Iranian regime de-factio occupation. On your ISIS point they aren't liberating shit, they are a bunch of criminals that need to be annihilated from this planet.

Still funny how you refuse to aknowledge the fact that the majority of Syria supports to Assad.

What happened to Khilafat al-Andalus and Al Nahar btw?

They were some quite extremistic nations there, IIRC (If I Read Correctly).

Edit: I'm surprised he hasn't been banned yet for planning terrorism. Or even if some doubt that, it seems too real. And if he rejects it; his own fault.

http://www.nationstates.net/region=unit ... _coalition

These... I don't have any words left. Just let all those being pro-ISIL die. For the sake of reason.

I'm going on a vacation of a few days for this topic guys. I'm too angry.

The Seleucids wrote:

Parti Ouvrier wrote:Neither of them are helping.

True, but in the end those are the realistic two options we have, and i have rather Iran over there in charge then Saudi-Arabia.

Al Nahar wrote:

+1 However you need to understand how Assad betrayed the Arab people turned his country towards Iran. To refrain from using Shia, because there are a lot of Shia that are good people, would be an American failure and destruction of iraq and an Iranian regime de-factio occupation. On your ISIS point they aren't liberating shit, they are a bunch of criminals that need to be annihilated from this planet.

Still funny how you refuse to aknowledge the fact that the majority of Syria supports to Assad.

As I said, its impossible to say that due to the fact that you rely on information coming out of an impossible area to conduct a survey in which there is a direct uprising against the regime, which baffles me how that is believed.

Herargon wrote:What happened to Khilafat al-Andalus and Al Nahar btw?

They were some quite extremistic nations there, IIRC (If I Read Correctly).

Edit: I'm surprised he hasn't been banned yet for planning terrorism. Or even if some doubt that, it seems too real. And if he rejects it; his own fault.

http://www.nationstates.net/region=unit ... _coalition

These... I don't have any words left. Just let all those being pro-ISIL die. For the sake of reason.

I'm going on a vacation of a few days for this topic guys. I'm too angry.

What do you mean?

Al Nahar wrote:

The Seleucids wrote:
True, but in the end those are the realistic two options we have, and i have rather Iran over there in charge then Saudi-Arabia.



Still funny how you refuse to aknowledge the fact that the majority of Syria supports to Assad.

As I said, its impossible to say that due to the fact that you rely on information coming out of an impossible area to conduct a survey in which there is a direct uprising against the regime, which baffles me how that is believed.

Once more, its the best we have so you'll just have to go with it, show me proof of the opposite if you want to have any credibility in fighting NATO's claim.
In the end NATO has far more resources then any of us, so challenging their claims isn't as feastable as you would want it to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKC9wplFxjE&index=18&list=UU-lkFwVkn6fP_fYlOmZdmYA
National Anthem of the Islamic State (IS)

Arkotania wrote:Brutal murder and rape does not mingle in the realm of the sane. There is no perspective worth considering to justify their actions. Not only are they terrorists, but grieve threats to humanity. Th problem of their leadership is unsolvable, as power lust and radicalism is not some textbook case you solve with a kind word and a hug. While the recruit base might be solved, allowing the organization to exist WILL hamper any attempts to solving the problem.

So yes, being large and powerful can just as easily be attributed to mental illness, thus insanity.

Relegating their actions to insanity is a cop-out and it flat out doesn't make sense. If they're insane, then they aren't really responsible for their actions, are they? That's bullshit, of course. They know exactly what they're doing and are free to stop at any time. Calling them insane is just a lazy way of demonizing them. You're trying to make them into some inhuman other instead of seeing them as human beings engaging in actions fairly typical of human beings. Yes, the actions of ISIS are fucking deplorable and they should be destroyed with extreme prejudice but what they're doing is not new behavior.

The Seleucids wrote:

Al Nahar wrote:
As I said, its impossible to say that due to the fact that you rely on information coming out of an impossible area to conduct a survey in which there is a direct uprising against the regime, which baffles me how that is believed.

Once more, its the best we have so you'll just have to go with it, show me proof of the opposite if you want to have any credibility in fighting NATO's claim.
In the end NATO has far more resources then any of us, so challenging their claims isn't as feastable as you would want it to be.

When there is a war, cities destroyed, no unified ceasefires, the fact that Assad uses the NDF much more than the majority of the SAA because of fear of defections?, How can you take a poll in areas non-regime areas? How can the poll be conducted without fear of the Assad police and intelligence threatening people? Even the highest of power cannot literally take a survey of everyone as barell bombs are falling from the sky, warplanes targeting population centers, artillery razing cities. So if you want me to "go with it" when people are dying fighting against regime seems a little ridiculous...

If you want a poll, get Assad to accept a U.N. referendum in country, and let an international force conduct it. I'd love to see the regime accept that. It's sad how some people alienate the Syrian people by categorizing the conflict between simply Regime and Jihadists. The armed uprising against the regime, the fighting against the Jihadists. The fact that the regime vastly assaults the main opposition rather than then Daesh to show that he is the only alternative.