Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS)

[Washington Resistance Army]

Even if they don't hold the city, it's pretty obvious they're going to make ISIS pay for it. Kurds can into attrition warfare.

[Herargon]

Damn, hope the Kurds can hold.

Hope so too. Meantime, this would be a great opportunity to try and scout out the defenses of those cities and see their numbers.

The reinforcement troops must be disabled from being able to sneak into Kobani. Or at least stopped as long as possible, so the Kurds can reconquer the city back to get a morale boost.

[Costa Fierro]

IS training pilots to fly captured planes - Reuters.

I wouldn't be too worried. The Reuters video showed a number of MiG-15's or something similar of varying degrees of disrepair as well as some L-39 aircraft (according to Wikipedia, L-39ZA aircraft) which are armed but primarily carry bombs, rockets and other ground attack missions.

However, they also have pylons wired to carry K-13 and R-60 air to air missiles. Again, they might pose a bit of a threat to older aircraft, in particular the aircraft commonly seen engaging rebel targets in use by the Syrian Air Force (i.e Su-24's and MiG-21's) and they shouldn't be too much of a threat to American and allied aircraft operating air strikes in Syria and Iraq.

[The Nihilistic view]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29655099


I can see the headlines now if it happens "UK strikes back at Jihadi John with 650 year old law!"

I suppose it probably is treason, I have just never thought about it until reading the above article.

[The Nihilistic view]

Link to the act proposed to be used. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/Edw3S ... section/II

[Velluria]

IS training pilots to fly captured planes - Reuters.

I wouldn't be too worried. The Reuters video showed a number of MiG-15's or something similar of varying degrees of disrepair as well as some L-39 aircraft (according to Wikipedia, L-39ZA aircraft) which are armed but primarily carry bombs, rockets and other ground attack missions.

However, they also have pylons wired to carry K-13 and R-60 air to air missiles. Again, they might pose a bit of a threat to older aircraft, in particular the aircraft commonly seen engaging rebel targets in use by the Syrian Air Force (i.e Su-24's and MiG-21's) and they shouldn't be too much of a threat to American and allied aircraft operating air strikes in Syria and Iraq.

I wouldn't even go so far as to say they're a threat to the Syrian Air Force. A week or two of training in a grand total of three planes does not an air force make. They'll be operating without any of the intricate support structure behind modern military air operations and will have no combat or doctrinal experience against an aerial opponent worth a damn.
They will, at most, strafe a few isolated groups of militia in Syria or Iraq, accomplishing nothing other than giving western media something to panic over.

[Organized States]

IS training pilots to fly captured planes - Reuters.

I wouldn't be too worried. The Reuters video showed a number of MiG-15's or something similar of varying degrees of disrepair as well as some L-39 aircraft (according to Wikipedia, L-39ZA aircraft) which are armed but primarily carry bombs, rockets and other ground attack missions.

However, they also have pylons wired to carry K-13 and R-60 air to air missiles. Again, they might pose a bit of a threat to older aircraft, in particular the aircraft commonly seen engaging rebel targets in use by the Syrian Air Force (i.e Su-24's and MiG-21's) and they shouldn't be too much of a threat to American and allied aircraft operating air strikes in Syria and Iraq.

Their MiG-17s, MiG-21s, and MiG-23s are probably going to end up as food for the Allied Air Forces. If the F-22As don't get them, the F-15s and F-16s from any number of country stand a chance at getting them.

[Germanic Templars]

Look kids! The French are being helpful!

Frankly I am happy to see that the French are helping out the Kurds. Whatever weapons they bring them, I hope it can help push ISIS far away from the boarder.

[The balkens]

Look kids! The French are being helpful!

Frankly I am happy to see that the French are helping out the Kurds. Whatever weapons they bring them, I hope it can help push ISIS far away from the boarder.

Christ, hopefully they can supply them with some old tanks that can stand up to the T-72's and the like, like AMX-30s.

[Germanic Templars]

Look kids! The French are being helpful!

Frankly I am happy to see that the French are helping out the Kurds. Whatever weapons they bring them, I hope it can help push ISIS far away from the boarder.

Christ, hopefully they can supply them with some old tanks that can stand up to the T-72's and the like, like AMX-30s.

Well considering they were able to take out a T-55, I am sure they will be fine.

[Rio Cana]

After looking at this following map (see below), it seems ISIS wants the green land. Which could explain why they want Kurdish Syria which is in the green land zone. The Southern part of Syria is just made up of the Syrian desert. Which explains why not even the Syrian President would not bother defending it.

Map
http://media.onsugar.com/files/2011/05/ ... d_1979.jpg

Syrian desert photo from the good days before all this happened. Seems that sign is from a rally they had 15 years ago.
http://www.listverse.info/wp-content/up ... Desert.jpg

[West Aurelia]

IS training pilots to fly captured planes - Reuters.

I wouldn't be too worried. The Reuters video showed a number of MiG-15's or something similar of varying degrees of disrepair as well as some L-39 aircraft (according to Wikipedia, L-39ZA aircraft) which are armed but primarily carry bombs, rockets and other ground attack missions.

However, they also have pylons wired to carry K-13 and R-60 air to air missiles. Again, they might pose a bit of a threat to older aircraft, in particular the aircraft commonly seen engaging rebel targets in use by the Syrian Air Force (i.e Su-24's and MiG-21's) and they shouldn't be too much of a threat to American and allied aircraft operating air strikes in Syria and Iraq.

I think they're more of a show of force and intent rather than being something practical. The local population would definitely be intimidated.

Since these are ex-Iraqi air force pilots, I'm concerned that IS might be using the fighters to launch airstrikes against civilians. I know it sounds ridiculous, but if IS is able to capture munitions from the Syrian/Iraqi militaries, they could easily pull it off.

To the US-led coalition, they would be easy targets though.

[Marcurix]

I wouldn't be too worried. The Reuters video showed a number of MiG-15's or something similar of varying degrees of disrepair as well as some L-39 aircraft (according to Wikipedia, L-39ZA aircraft) which are armed but primarily carry bombs, rockets and other ground attack missions.

However, they also have pylons wired to carry K-13 and R-60 air to air missiles. Again, they might pose a bit of a threat to older aircraft, in particular the aircraft commonly seen engaging rebel targets in use by the Syrian Air Force (i.e Su-24's and MiG-21's) and they shouldn't be too much of a threat to American and allied aircraft operating air strikes in Syria and Iraq.

I think they're more of a show of force and intent rather than being something practical. The local population would definitely be intimidated.

Since these are ex-Iraqi air force pilots, I'm concerned that IS might be using the fighters to launch airstrikes against civilians. I know it sounds ridiculous, but if IS is able to capture munitions from the Syrian/Iraqi militaries, they could easily pull it off.

To the US-led coalition, they would be easy targets though.

Unless Isis has the mechanics to go with those pilots, its doubtfull the planes will get off the ground, and if they do, they'll be made short work of by the US-led coalition.

[Seraven]

Look kids! The French are being helpful!

Frankly I am happy to see that the French are helping out the Kurds. Whatever weapons they bring them, I hope it can help push ISIS far away from the boarder.

And more of French's badass soldiers?

[The Sons of Adam]

So apparently ISIS or whatever they want to call themselves are calling on muslims around the world to murder Americans, Australians, and Canadians who are non muslims.

Fuck these people. Seriously.

Fuck them. I hold nothing but hate, contempt, and loathing for them.

I am so fucking angry. My vision is red, and veins are bulging, my heart is pounding like a bass drum, and my muscles quiver with rage.

ISIS is a stain upon humanity. Like any stain, they should be cleaned and washed away. Every last fucking one of them.

They can say the same about America, or all western nations.

[Seraven]

I think they're more of a show of force and intent rather than being something practical. The local population would definitely be intimidated.

Since these are ex-Iraqi air force pilots, I'm concerned that IS might be using the fighters to launch airstrikes against civilians. I know it sounds ridiculous, but if IS is able to capture munitions from the Syrian/Iraqi militaries, they could easily pull it off.

To the US-led coalition, they would be easy targets though.

Unless Isis has the mechanics to go with those pilots, its doubtfull the planes will get off the ground, and if they do, they'll be made short work of by the US-led coalition.

ex-Iraqi air force pilots numbers probably smaller and will be use as elite air force squad.

[Napkiraly]

So apparently ISIS or whatever they want to call themselves are calling on muslims around the world to murder Americans, Australians, and Canadians who are non muslims.

Fuck these people. Seriously.

Fuck them. I hold nothing but hate, contempt, and loathing for them.

I am so fucking angry. My vision is red, and veins are bulging, my heart is pounding like a bass drum, and my muscles quiver with rage.

ISIS is a stain upon humanity. Like any stain, they should be cleaned and washed away. Every last fucking one of them.

They can say the same about America, or all western nations.

No they can't. We are far morally superior than those pieces of shit.

[The Alma Mater]

They can say the same about America, or all western nations.

No they can't. We are far morally superior than those pieces of shit.

A view they strongly disagree with.

[The Black Forrest]

Unless Isis has the mechanics to go with those pilots, its doubtfull the planes will get off the ground, and if they do, they'll be made short work of by the US-led coalition.

ex-Iraqi air force pilots numbers probably smaller and will be use as elite air force squad.

Elite? But what form of measurement?

Sure they are elite compared to their students.

this is just a publicity stunt. They know full well they will get shot down if they are caught in the air.

[The Black Forrest]

So apparently ISIS or whatever they want to call themselves are calling on muslims around the world to murder Americans, Australians, and Canadians who are non muslims.

Fuck these people. Seriously.

Fuck them. I hold nothing but hate, contempt, and loathing for them.

I am so fucking angry. My vision is red, and veins are bulging, my heart is pounding like a bass drum, and my muscles quiver with rage.

ISIS is a stain upon humanity. Like any stain, they should be cleaned and washed away. Every last fucking one of them.

They can say the same about America, or all western nations.

And?

[Grand Russian Federation]

Well, just saying, ISIS could always strap the planes full of HE munitions and fly it at something like a ship, or a building, however this is counting if they don't get shot down beforehand.

Or, should they get a hold of them, chemical weapons.

[Insaeldor]

IS training pilots to fly captured planes - Reuters.

In other words ISIS is training F-22 snacks.

As for Kobanê I'm hoping the Turks take some action against ISIS in the city (although with the majority of the defenders being Kurdish I doubt much will come of that) and I don't mean sending soldiers into the city or doing risky attacks on ISIS positions but maybe some shelling or just letting Kurds go into fight. I also wish the west would work a little harder, again not with boots on the ground or anything like that but definitely give more solid aid to the area. With all these ISIS movements in the area expect ally from Raqqa you think some attacks on those troop convoys as well as smashing the shit out of any possible tanks are heavy artillery in the hands of ISIS. Also I might add that we focus in finding and killing men like Omar al-Shishani, Muslim al-Turkmani, Ali al-Anbari, and of course Bakr al-Baghdadi to help cripple the organization and make a collective front much more successful and I would say we do it in the style of the Phoenix Program.

[The Archregimancy]

I can't wait for the West to wake up and boot Turkey's ass from NATO. That genocidal, backwards country should never have been there in the first place.

We didn't participate in the Korean War for nothing. You might as well go fuck yourself.

After this exchange was reported in Moderation, I very nearly warned both of you - Neoconstantius for trolling, and Gezi Park for flaming.

Instead, on reflection, I'm going to hand both of you a strong rolled-up newspaper thwack for intemperate language that's doing nothing to calm debate. I suggest you both take a deep breath.

It is possible to characterise Turkey the country (as opposed to Turks) as 'genocidal' and 'backwards', but don't be surprised if Turks react strongly to the characterisation; though I would ask them to do so without telling people to "fuck themselves".

[Grand Russian Federation]

IS training pilots to fly captured planes - Reuters.

In other words ISIS is training F-22 snacks.

As for Kobanê I'm hoping the Turks take some action against ISIS in the city (although with the majority of the defenders being Kurdish I doubt much will come of that) and I don't mean sending soldiers into the city or doing risky attacks on ISIS positions but maybe some shelling or just letting Kurds go into fight. I also wish the west would work a little harder, again not with boots on the ground or anything like that but definitely give more solid aid to the area. With all these ISIS movements in the area expect ally from Raqqa you think some attacks on those troop convoys as well as smashing the shit out of any possible tanks are heavy artillery in the hands of ISIS. Also I might add that we focus in finding and killing men like Omar al-Shishani, Muslim al-Turkmani, Ali al-Anbari, and of course Bakr al-Baghdadi to help cripple the organization and make a collective front much more successful and I would say we do it in the style of the Phoenix Program.

300,000$ or more to take out a plane using just one AIM-120 missile. Kinda seems expensive, all that taxpayer money.

[Glovania]

In other words ISIS is training F-22 snacks.

As for Kobanê I'm hoping the Turks take some action against ISIS in the city (although with the majority of the defenders being Kurdish I doubt much will come of that) and I don't mean sending soldiers into the city or doing risky attacks on ISIS positions but maybe some shelling or just letting Kurds go into fight. I also wish the west would work a little harder, again not with boots on the ground or anything like that but definitely give more solid aid to the area. With all these ISIS movements in the area expect ally from Raqqa you think some attacks on those troop convoys as well as smashing the shit out of any possible tanks are heavy artillery in the hands of ISIS. Also I might add that we focus in finding and killing men like Omar al-Shishani, Muslim al-Turkmani, Ali al-Anbari, and of course Bakr al-Baghdadi to help cripple the organization and make a collective front much more successful and I would say we do it in the style of the Phoenix Program.

300,000$ or more to take out a plane using just one AIM-120 missile. Kinda seems expensive, all that taxpayer money.

YAY TERRORISTS WITH PLANES THEY DON'T NEED TO HIJACK BEFORE THEY CAN FLY THEM INTO THINGS

Edit: Scratch that, that would be literally the worst use of their resources they could possibly do. Besides, you know, leave them to collect dust.