Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS)

[Saiwania]

There's lots of public articles of them fleeing/surrendering/etc.

There is no shame in surrender in and of itself, unless someone follows the Japanese code of Bushido. It didn't do the Japanese any favors in the Pacific theater of WWII. The Japanese that the US did manage to take as POWs readily gave up intelligence because they were expected to die and knew they couldn't return to Japan with honor. All the Japanese lives wasted in Banzai charges just dented their morale.

If there is any chance that quarter will be given, sometimes it is better to surrender if you're out of ammunition/supplies and the battle looks hopeless. In IS' case, I'd say it would be better to not take any IS prisoners if they won't extend the same courtesy. It is better for IS to simply be annihilated. If someone is on a side about to lose against IS, it is better to keep fighting if they are going to kill you anyways.

[Socialist Czechia]

If someone is on a side about to lose against IS, it is better to keep fighting if they are going to kill you anyways.

That. With such an enemy, fight to the death has actually logic.

Soldiers of Red Army couldn't expect any mercy from Germans, so they logically offered none to them as well. That's total war - extermination or be exterminated.

[Herskerstad]

*sigh*

Dutch family which planned (a) suicide attack(s) are being punished with ankle bracelets

I got an even more progressive idea. Give them feet-warmers instead of repressive bracelets. That way they will stop being mean and totally embrace eachother in a hug for humanity.

[Imperializt Russia]

There's lots of public articles of them fleeing/surrendering/etc.

There is no shame in surrender in and of itself, unless someone follows the Japanese code of Bushido. It didn't do the Japanese any favors in the Pacific theater of WWII. The Japanese that the US did manage to take as POWs readily gave up intelligence because they were expected to die and knew they couldn't return to Japan with honor. All the Japanese lives wasted in Banzai charges just dented their morale.

If there is any chance that quarter will be given, sometimes it is better to surrender if you're out of ammunition/supplies and the battle looks hopeless. In IS' case, I'd say it would be better to not take any IS prisoners if they won't extend the same courtesy. It is better for IS to simply be annihilated. If someone is on a side about to lose against IS, it is better to keep fighting if they are going to kill you anyways.

It wasn't just a Japanese thing to not want to surrender, though they did take it to a cultural extreme.
In many battles against the Japanese Empire, British, Commonwealth and American troops on various occasions vowed to fight to the last man, rather being killed in battle than taken prisoner.

The Japanese reputation for torture, sadism and brutality was legendary.

The story was much the same for both sides on the Eastern Front, though moreso for the Germans after 1943.

[Saiwania]

Soldiers of Red Army couldn't expect any mercy from Germans, so they logically offered none to them as well. That's total war - extermination or be exterminated.

The Soviets didn't show mercy to their own side in some cases, commissars would shoot at soldiers who "took a step back" and most of the Red Army POWs that the Germans had ended up in Gulags after the war ended. While Nazi doctrine considered Slavic peoples like the Russians to be subhumans worthy of genocide, not everyone in the Wehrmacht committed atrocities though some did. The SS did the lion's share of the mass extermination.

[Bulgar Rouge]

So much for those invincible Kurds. Sixty villages in two days ? Jeez...

[Empire of Narnia]

Is ISIS gone yet?

[The Alma Mater]

Is ISIS gone yet?

Yes.
Sadly, only because they are now called ISIL. Or IS. They are currently almost at the Turkish border.

[Tuub]

So much for those invincible Kurds. Sixty villages in two days ? Jeez...

Damn, yesterday it was still 26... Ah well, it are villages, if they could do this with cities there would be a good reason for concern but villages are hardly protected so i can't really be that suprised..

[Tuub]

Is ISIS gone yet?

Yes.
Sadly, only because they are now called ISIL. Or IS. They are currently almost at the Turkish border.

They are already at the Turkish border i blieve. I think they captured a bordercrossing with Turkey a while ago.

[The Predator Federation]

I love the Rafale so rugged yet versatile

[Upper America]

Yes.
Sadly, only because they are now called ISIL. Or IS. They are currently almost at the Turkish border.

They are already at the Turkish border i blieve. I think they captured a bordercrossing with Turkey a while ago.

And yet Turkey refuses to help. Turkey, Iran, and Syria are digging their own graves.

[Tuub]

They are already at the Turkish border i blieve. I think they captured a bordercrossing with Turkey a while ago.

And yet Turkey refuses to help. Turkey, Iran, and Syria are digging their own graves.

Whut?

Turkey actually kinda supports IS.

Iran and Syria are fighting it, that the US refused to cooperate with Iran and Syria =/= Iran and Syria digging their own graves.
In fact, The International position of Iran has only improved becouse fo the whole IS situation, its influence over Iraq is larger then ever and its currently the only foreign force operating on the ground in both Syria as Iraq fighting het extremists. I really don't see your logic of "digging their own graves"

[Blakk Metal]

The only way to stop this threat now is to seek out and kill everybody who even thinks about supporting ISIS, Al Qaeda, or any of the terrorist groups.

That strategy failed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Why are you suggesting it will succeed all of a sudden?

That strategy wasn't used in either. The US tried to 'win their hearts and minds'.

Because there are still roughly 30,000 people in Iraq and Syria that are taking up arms with ISIS. The US should have killed them all with airstrikes and raids years ago. In the war in Iraq, American soldiers were restricted by the rules of engagement. Sometimes, that allowed known terrorists to walk away alive. The "strategy" I'm suggesting is kicking down every door, finding every last one of them and putting a bullet in their heads.

What the fuck do you think convinces people to support terrorist organizations? Let me give you a hint:

airstrikes and raids

If that's true, then why do Japan and the Philippines both love the US despite both having large chunks of their population killed by the US?

[Slarvainian]

The most overrated threat of the 21st century and the single conflict that has convinced me that it's true when people call the general public "sheep". The fearmongering that Obama, Harper, and Cameron are doing is ridiculous.

ISIS will never take territory outside of Iraq and Syria.

[Bontavation]

The most overrated threat of the 21st century and the single conflict that has convinced me that it's true when people call the general public "sheep". The fearmongering that Obama, Harper, and Cameron are doing is ridiculous.

ISIS will never take territory outside of Iraq and Syria.

I guess everyone really is stupid except for you.

[Sociobiology]

What the fuck do you think convinces people to support terrorist organizations? Let me give you a hint:

If that's true, then why do Japan and the Philippines both love the US despite both having large chunks of their population killed by the US?

Germany too
and the answer is because we invested the money and time in rebuilding their country to a decent standard of living after destroying them, instead of blowing the shit out of them and then raising our hand and screaming "not my problem" and running away.
you know what stops terrorists, schools and a decent standard of living.
the latter gives you a sense of fairness and equality, and the former makes the latter persist and increases plurality, which undercuts their ability to control and exploit.

[Tuub]

That strategy failed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Why are you suggesting it will succeed all of a sudden?

That strategy wasn't used in either. The US tried to 'win their hearts and minds'.

What the fuck do you think convinces people to support terrorist organizations? Let me give you a hint:

If that's true, then why do Japan and the Philippines both love the US despite both having large chunks of their population killed by the US?

He is right for one part, but it are not only the raids, airstrikes and such. In the end the reason why they join such groups is becouse there are scumbags in the neighbourhood who use the pain and loss of people to get them into their groupie.

[Slarvainian]

The most overrated threat of the 21st century and the single conflict that has convinced me that it's true when people call the general public "sheep". The fearmongering that Obama, Harper, and Cameron are doing is ridiculous.

ISIS will never take territory outside of Iraq and Syria.

I guess everyone really is stupid except for you.

Not really. A lot of people have been misled by the media and world leaders that miss-represented the information and failed to leave out certain facts and context.

[Blakk Metal]

If that's true, then why do Japan and the Philippines both love the US despite both having large chunks of their population killed by the US?

Germany too
and the answer is because we invested the money and time in rebuilding their country to a decent standard of living after destroying them, instead of blowing the shit out of them and then raising our hand and screaming "not my problem" and running away.
you know what stops terrorists, schools and a decent standard of living.
the latter gives you a sense of fairness and equality, and the former makes the latter persist and increases plurality, which undercuts their ability to control and exploit.

Agreed. However, that is not a substitute for killing the Jihadis and should only be done after the Jihadis are removed.

[Saiwania]

If that's true, then why do Japan and the Philippines both love the US despite both having large chunks of their population killed by the US?

I can't speak for the Philippines, but a crucial part of it for Japan was MacArthur's decision to spare Emperor Hirohito and the Imperial family. The propaganda that the US troops were barbarians didn't actually turn out to be true. No doubt they should've worried more about a Soviet occupation which would have left them to end up like North Korea.

[Tuub]

The most overrated threat of the 21st century and the single conflict that has convinced me that it's true when people call the general public "sheep". The fearmongering that Obama, Harper, and Cameron are doing is ridiculous.

ISIS will never take territory outside of Iraq and Syria.

True, look at their possibilities.
Iran, Turkey, Saudi-Arabia, Jordan, Israel and Lebanon.
To start, Iran and Turkey will kick IS so deep in the ground they won't come out ever again if IS attacks them directly.
Saudi-Arabia and Jordan are both part of the Gulf Shield, which will do the same to IS as Iran and Turkey would do.
Israel is same story aswell.
The only minor chance they have looking at neighbouring nations would be Lebanon, but then again, Lebanon is filled with militias hating IS, even the Sunni Islamists in Lebanon hate IS. The only thing IS can achieve in Lebanon is a rare unification of Lebanese militias.

[Sociobiology]

Germany too
and the answer is because we invested the money and time in rebuilding their country to a decent standard of living after destroying them, instead of blowing the shit out of them and then raising our hand and screaming "not my problem" and running away.
you know what stops terrorists, schools and a decent standard of living.
the latter gives you a sense of fairness and equality, and the former makes the latter persist and increases plurality, which undercuts their ability to control and exploit.

Agreed. However, that is not a substitute for killing the Jihadis and should only be done after the Jihadis are removed.

more importantly we have to do it in the two countries we have already destroyed or we will create another ISIS.

[Blakk Metal]

If that's true, then why do Japan and the Philippines both love the US despite both having large chunks of their population killed by the US?

I can't speak for the Philippines, but a crucial part of it for Japan was MacArthur's decision to spare Emperor Hirohito and the Imperial family. The propaganda that the US troops were barbarians didn't actually turn out to be true. No doubt they should've worried more about a Soviet occupation which would have left them to end up like North Korea.

Crazy Abe is not Hirohito, he is Arkan. Crazy Abe has no respect or traditional authority, he is just a thug.

[Slarvainian]

The most overrated threat of the 21st century and the single conflict that has convinced me that it's true when people call the general public "sheep". The fearmongering that Obama, Harper, and Cameron are doing is ridiculous.

ISIS will never take territory outside of Iraq and Syria.

True, look at their possibilities.
Iran, Turkey, Saudi-Arabia, Jordan, Israel and Lebanon.
To start, Iran and Turkey will kick IS so deep in the ground they won't come out ever again if IS attacks them directly.
Saudi-Arabia and Jordan are both part of the Gulf Shield, which will do the same to IS as Iran and Turkey would do.
Israel is same story aswell.
The only minor chance they have looking at neighbouring nations would be Lebanon, but then again, Lebanon is filled with militias hating IS, even the Sunni Islamists in Lebanon hate IS. The only thing IS can achieve in Lebanon is a rare unification of Lebanese militias.

Precisely.

Even Iran alone though would handle IS like they were a bug in the sand.

If I was a IS fighter and heard Iran was coming in mass... I'd run. I'd drop my AK in the ground and run for the hills because last thing I'd want to be doing is fighting a organized fighting force of Shia soldiers that wouldn't stop till every last IS fighter was dead.