Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS)

[West Aurelia]

In Assadia, you are stoned by the dictatorship.
In the West, you elect someone democratically to become a dictator.
In China: What elections?
In North Korea: Dear Leader elects you to be shot.

1. I was under the impression that Assad is a Ba'athist and therefore an advocate of the glorious laïcité;
2. But our 'dictators' are idiots;
3. The Communist Party delegates vote;
4. Technically a totalitarian democracy since mock elections are held.

3. "Elections in the People's Republic of China are based on a hierarchical electoral system, whereby local People's Congresses (人民代表大会) are directly elected, and all higher levels of People's Congresses up to the National People's Congress, the national legislature, are indirectly elected by the People's Congress of the level immediately below."

4. It's actually really interesting… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_North_Korea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_North_Korea

[Wolfenium]

1. I was under the impression that Assad is a Ba'athist and therefore an advocate of the glorious laïcité;
2. But our 'dictators' are idiots;
3. The Communist Party delegates vote;
4. Technically a totalitarian democracy since mock elections are held.

3. "Elections in the People's Republic of China are based on a hierarchical electoral system, whereby local People's Congresses (人民代表大会) are directly elected, and all higher levels of People's Congresses up to the National People's Congress, the national legislature, are indirectly elected by the People's Congress of the level immediately below."

4. It's actually really interesting… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_North_Korea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_North_Korea

Not to sidetrack too much, but what happened to the 0.03% that didn't vote? Edit: No need to answer. It's a joke.

[Herargon]

3. "Elections in the People's Republic of China are based on a hierarchical electoral system, whereby local People's Congresses (人民代表大会) are directly elected, and all higher levels of People's Congresses up to the National People's Congress, the national legislature, are indirectly elected by the People's Congress of the level immediately below."

4. It's actually really interesting… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_North_Korea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_North_Korea

Not to sidetrack too much, but what happened to the 0.03% that didn't vote? No need to answer. It's a joke.

Those people disappeared.

[Alien Space Bats]

It is due time that the Ummah has begun to unite and form a new Khilafah just as prophecy has stated. You can't stop it now however hard you try.

Funny, but I can think of several thousand reasons why that will never happen.

[Baltenstein]

Those won't even be necessary, the fighters for Ummah unification are far too busy killing both each other and innocent Muslim civilians to ever reach their goal.

There is no clear evidence of these un-Islamic atrocities that are claimed. Some of the claims are just plain ridiculous

You mean like the ones that ISIS themselves so proudly uploads into the World Wide Web? Beheading journalists, gunning down Syrian POWs, bragging about Kurdish and Yesidi women slave auctions, complete with theological justification?
For fuck's sake, even the Nazis knew that you're supposed to cover up your war crimes, not proudly mailing evidence of them to the Allied Headquarters.
And we couldn't care less if you consider ISIS atrocities to be "un-Islamic" or not - we condemn them for being crimes against humanity.

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

That's exactly one side of me, but on the other hand, why wouldn't i, why wouldn't i do everything to help those people... It sucks being stuck between those two. Anyhow, i could also go as a non-militia, just helping out wherever it needs while not fighting myself.

The only ones truly helping and providing the basic needs of the people in Iraq and Shaam is the Islamic State. Quit believing the kufr-mass-media lies! There is no clear evidence of these un-Islamic atrocities that are claimed. Some of the claims are just plain ridiculous. If you ACTUALLY talk to people on the ground living under the Khilafah in the Islamic State, you will find that they are safer and better cared for there then anywhere else in Iraq and Shaam. Under the Khilafah, everyone is given their basic needs (food, shelter, and clothing) and the Islamic State is providing ORDER for a change!

The Islamic State has established a regular police force (called the Hisbah), they have established a judicial system of courts, they have a fully-operational and very-well organized military force, they have a head of state (the Khalifa al-Baghdadi), and if Abu-Bakr al-Baghdadi (May Allah protect and preserve him) does anything which is un-Islamic, the Shari'ah courts within the Islamic State have the authority to force him out and nominate a new Khalifa (Caliph).

So, the Khilafah is not some rogue underground terrorist organization, it is a perfectly legitimate state. They even have an official flag, coat of arms, anthem, and national motto! Everyone that you talk to who actually lives under the authority of the Islamic State says that they are treated wonderfully, and that they love the Islamic State.

See this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GClV6AyprGU

Watch the !ENTIRE VIDEO!

Go read a Quran, this "Islamic State" of yours is no more then a bunch of terrorist scum on their way to their graves.
Also, read this: http://lettertobaghdadi.com/

[Al Nahar]

Baghdadi, Daesh is an illegitimate state destroying the culture and people of the Middle East and Arab world. Daesh is trying to reverse us backwards to the age of mysticism and darkness. Believe me, I lived in the areas where Daesh is now. Thankfully I am not there to live under the criminal thug terrorist regime. I know many people still there, innocent civilians and families. All would give everything to have these cockroaches removed. Perhaps you have only watched videos on Daesh and their Islamic courts system. Its all bullshit, you are believing the lies of the man you worship called Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi, the shaytan devil. Sex slaves, raping, mass massacre and murder against innocents. Its saddening how Saddam isn't there to wipe Daesh off the face of this planet. Daesh along with Qatar and the Muslim brotherhood should be eradicated from the Arab world as they are the opposite of humanity. If there is a God, may he rest those who have died under the terrorist, rapist, illegitimate, criminal, thug regime of the Baghdadi worshippers. Every Daesh criminal that dies is a plus for the Arab world. Inshallah the day when Daesh is on the brink of being destroyed I will be there.

Dawla is FAR from being "wiped off the map." I used to be believing all this kufr media like you. You spew all this baseless rhetoric about "sex slave and raping girls" which there is absolutely NO CLEAR EVIDENCE OF WHATSOEVER!

And no, I have friends who are living in the Islamic State **BY CHOICE**

Dawla has support is almost every country in the world, Muslims from all over the world are flocking to the lands of Shaam to live as citizens under the Khilafah system.

I worship only Allah 'azza wa-jal, the creator of the heavens and the Earth. The prophet (PBUH) said that his caliphate would end, and the world would fall into corruption, and then a new Caliphate would rise. ON 29 JUNE 2014, 1 RAMADAN 1435 AH, THE KHILAFAH WAS ESTABLISHED!

This is a fulfillment of Islamic prophecy, and it will not be stopped as Allah (AWJ) is on the side of Dawla. The kuffar cannot stop our Ummah from reunifying once more. And Insha'Allah this will usher in the Mahdi and the end times.

Listen here Baghdadi, I do not understand if you are blind or trolling, the strategy of Daesh has only made it worse. Daesh interfered with the original plan of Al Qaeda and the higher more intelligent commanders of the Jihad by declaring islamic emirates throughout different countries before unifying as an ummah. Daesh declared war one everyone, it is only a matter of time before they collapse. Its not media there is much proof everywhere that Daesh rapes, massacres, beheads. THis is primitive barbaric way of middle ages, but I guess because you and your kind still think the Ummayads exist this is normal. Come back to me when your "Black Flags from Khorasan" come hahahaha considering they were destroyed by the Americans and now they are controlled by the ISI. Prostitution,prisoner ransom, illegal oil selling, sex slavery can only keep your Daesh state running for a matter of time. Its better if all those Terrorists around the world flock to Daesh so we can kill them all at once and destroy this fake bullshit Jihad from a guy that used to be a CIA prisoner. We saw the defeat stalling of Daesh in Kobane', the collapse of al Ikhwan in Egypt, Haftar destroying Daesh and Fake Mujahadeen in Libya and soon we will see the collapse of Daesh in Iraq and Sham when the Sunna rise against this brutul hell that has come.We have seen the crimes of the Baghdadis who sell oil to Assad and help him by attacking the Syrian people and rebels. Fakest mujahadeen of all time. All Daesh has done in addition to Iran and Hezbollah is send us Arabs back into time, reversing progress of our people and destroying our people by diving us among eaach other so that the world can play with us. Inshallah as a people we will overcome this storm.

[The Alma Mater]

It is due time that the Ummah has begun to unite and form a new Khilafah just as prophecy has stated. You can't stop it now however hard you try.

Funny, but I can think of several thousand reasons why that will never happen.

How will that stop it ? Remeber: "Cut off one head and two shall take its place. Hail Hydra".

[Herskerstad]

Funny, but I can think of several thousand reasons why that will never happen.

How will that stop it ? Remeber: "Cut off one head and two shall take its place. Hail Hydra".

As awful as the scenario would sound. Yes, a freaking nuclear bomb does have a fantastic tendency to stop whatever it is aimed at.

[The Alma Mater]

How will that stop it ? Remeber: "Cut off one head and two shall take its place. Hail Hydra".

As awful as the scenario would sound. Yes, a freaking nuclear bomb does have a fantastic tendency to stop whatever it is aimed at.

And at what exactly would you aim it ? IS is spread out. You would only kill a part, and a much larger number of innocents. Which would inspire more people to join IS than they lost.

You could irradiate Mecca of course; which would make the Hadj deadly for all muslims.. but that would go a bit far, no ?

[Herargon]

As awful as the scenario would sound. Yes, a freaking nuclear bomb does have a fantastic tendency to stop whatever it is aimed at.

And at what exactly would you aim it ? IS is spread out. You would only kill a part, and a much larger number of innocents. Which would inspire more people to join IS than they lost.

You could irradiate Mecca of course; which would make the Hadj deadly for all muslims.. but that would go a bit far, no ?

I'm not anti-Muslim, but a nuke wouldn't be effective. That only highens their morale to fight.

You'd better psychologically wreck them, such as women flying in bomber jets and bombing them, because they then would not go to heaven.

If you want to win a game with them... Then think as them. And use that for your own goodness.

EDIT:

I'd call that de-indoctrination.

[Herskerstad]

As awful as the scenario would sound. Yes, a freaking nuclear bomb does have a fantastic tendency to stop whatever it is aimed at.

And at what exactly would you aim it ? IS is spread out. You would only kill a part, and a much larger number of innocents. Which would inspire more people to join IS than they lost.

You could irradiate Mecca of course; which would make the Hadj deadly for all muslims.. but that would go a bit far, no ?

Well, let's say if someone wanted to hypothetically wage war on Islam. Having the destruction of their religion go before killing say populations that follow it. I would consider Muhammad's grave in Medina to be a far more inviting target, not to a nuclear bomb however, but to infiltration and then desecration of his corpse in completely haram ways before it's extradition. The preservation and burrial rituals in Islamic development seems to place a huge importance on such, though I cannot say for definite if such a thing were to have in their theology repercussions on judgement day. I mean, obviously for the hypothetical infiltrators, but it would send a theological shockwave through the Arab world which no fallen structure could match.

If the black stone was to be eradicated in what you described, which would generally be a question of where such an atomic bomb would be dropped, what material the black stone is ect, ect. I mean, the history of the black stone itself from what I know is a fairly dramatic one. It has of course had random acts of defilement done against it, in such an un-defensible situation it is sited in that much is unavoidable. It has been stolen, some say replaced. Had siege weaponry smash it and suffered damage in other ways. If it was however to be wholesomely, and beyond doubt, eradicated. Looking beyond the conflicts such would be likely to spawn, there likely would be a substitution of sorts or a false replica being hailed as a miraculous survival of such and I doubt it would be initially challenged. The hypothetical spiral out of control from there. I doubt even if ISIS somehow went full retard, conquered the Islamic world and even destroyed the Kibla, that they would somehow do away with the black stone, but if it was done away with, it would have to one degree or another theological aftermath.

But this is becoming perverted at this point. On the topic itself, would the US use nuclear arms against a ever-growing IS? .... It's possible against military targets just to make a point. Israel would obviously as a defender do something drastic, but the current logistics as them stand would have IS in an unbelievable disadvantage if they somehow started to knock on Israel's door. It would not be a David and Goliath situation to say the least. It would be something like the Flintstones against the entirety of warhammer 40k.

[Central and Eastern Visayas]

And at what exactly would you aim it ? IS is spread out. You would only kill a part, and a much larger number of innocents. Which would inspire more people to join IS than they lost.

You could irradiate Mecca of course; which would make the Hadj deadly for all muslims.. but that would go a bit far, no ?

Well, let's say if someone wanted to hypothetically wage war on Islam. Having the destruction of their religion go before killing say populations that follow it. I would consider Muhammad's grave in Medina to be a far more inviting target, not to a nuclear bomb however, but to infiltration and then desecration of his corpse in completely haram ways before it's extradition. The preservation and burrial rituals in Islamic development seems to place a huge importance on such, though I cannot say for definite if such a thing were to have in their theology repercussions on judgement day. I mean, obviously for the hypothetical infiltrators, but it would send a theological shockwave through the Arab world which no fallen structure could match.

If the black stone was to be eradicated in what you described, which would generally be a question of where such an atomic bomb would be dropped, what material the black stone is ect, ect. I mean, the history of the black stone itself from what I know is a fairly dramatic one. It has of course had random acts of defilement done against it, in such an un-defensible situation it is sited in that much is unavoidable. It has been stolen, some say replaced. Had siege weaponry smash it and suffered damage in other ways. If it was however to be wholesomely, and beyond doubt, eradicated. Looking beyond the conflicts such would be likely to spawn, there likely would be a substitution of sorts or a false replica being hailed as a miraculous survival of such and I doubt it would be initially challenged. The hypothetical spiral out of control from there. I doubt even if ISIS somehow went full retard, conquered the Islamic world and even destroyed the Kibla, that they would somehow do away with the black stone, but if it was done away with, it would have to one degree or another theological aftermath.

But this is becoming perverted at this point. On the topic itself, would the US use nuclear arms against a ever-growing IS? .... It's possible against military targets just to make a point. Israel would obviously as a defender do something drastic, but the current logistics as them stand would have IS in an unbelievable disadvantage if they somehow started to knock on Israel's door. It would not be a David and Goliath situation to say the least. It would be something like the Flintstones against the entirety of warhammer 40k.

And if IS does succeed in wiping out Israel, it would bring the rest of the world to destruction--Samson Option, anyone?

[Blakk Metal]

I think chances are high Erdogan will either screw it all up by aiming their artillery on Kudish positions, or will use the Turkish army to overshoot the rebels, capture some Syrian territory, and likely hold on to it, potentially permanently.

Come on now, Erdogan may not be the brightest person, but I am sure even he doesn't want to risk that publicity stunt.

It's happened before.

[Germanic Templars]

You know you done goofed when the pope says violence against you is justified

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

You know you done goofed when the pope says violence against you is justified

Damn, never thought this pope would say such thing, but honestly, i doubt anyone disagrees with him on this one.

[Belmaria]

Islamic State Crisis? Hardly. The Middle East goes through regime changes faster than Canonical releases updated versions of Ubuntu. The real crisis is the fact that people have nothing better to do with their lives than to poke their noses in the affairs of other nations. We have domestic issues to deal with, regardless of which nation you are a citizen of. Let's get to work on the issues that affect us first, before we start our adventageous quest to be the policemen of the world.

[Organized States]

Islamic State Crisis? Hardly. The Middle East goes through regime changes faster than Canonical releases updated versions of Ubuntu. The real crisis is the fact that people have nothing better to do with their lives than to poke their noses in the affairs of other nations. We have domestic issues to deal with, regardless of which nation you are a citizen of. Let's get to work on the issues that affect us first, before we start our adventageous quest to be the policemen of the world.

Yeah, sure. Let's abandon all of our friends and allies, ignore ISIS, and let an entire group of people get massacred, raped, or sold into slavery.

[Belmaria]

Islamic State Crisis? Hardly. The Middle East goes through regime changes faster than Canonical releases updated versions of Ubuntu. The real crisis is the fact that people have nothing better to do with their lives than to poke their noses in the affairs of other nations. We have domestic issues to deal with, regardless of which nation you are a citizen of. Let's get to work on the issues that affect us first, before we start our adventageous quest to be the policemen of the world.

Yeah, sure. Let's abandon all of our friends and allies, ignore ISIS, and let an entire group of people get massacred, raped, or sold into slavery.

Because if we intervene, we will solve all of these problems. Just like we did in Iraq. Oh, wait...

[Herargon]

You know you done goofed when the pope says violence against you is justified

Deus vult! Exitus acta probat! In nomine Patris, filii et spiritus sancti!

The Crusades are returning ...

[Organized States]

Yeah, sure. Let's abandon all of our friends and allies, ignore ISIS, and let an entire group of people get massacred, raped, or sold into slavery.

Because if we intervene, we will solve all of these problems. Just like we did in Iraq. Oh, wait...

Do the people of the world not have a moral responsibility to stop crimes against Humanity? Do we not have a responsibility to live up to the agreements made in previous years to come to the aid of our partners in the region?

If you want to blame US foreign policy, blame this President. Not a residual force to complete the training of the Iraqi Security Forces, or to help coordinate a future return to Iraq. Obama screwed Iraq, and it's about goddamned time we go clean up the mess.

[Marcurix]

Yeah, sure. Let's abandon all of our friends and allies, ignore ISIS, and let an entire group of people get massacred, raped, or sold into slavery.

Because if we intervene, we will solve all of these problems. Just like we did in Iraq. Oh, wait...

If you're comparing Isis to the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq you don't understand the situation.

[Germanic Templars]

You know you done goofed when the pope says violence against you is justified

Deus vult! Exitus acta probat! In nomine Patris, et filii et spiritus sancti!

The Crusades are returning ...

Some may only hope. Me I hope there will be no crusades called sometime soon.

[Marcurix]

Deus vult! Exitus acta probat! In nomine Patris, et filii et spiritus sancti!

The Crusades are returning ...

Some may only hope. Me I hope there will be no crusades called sometime soon.

Or ever.

[Sebastianbourg]

Some may only hope. Me I hope there will be no crusades called sometime soon.

Or ever.

Stop talking about religion or Archeuland and Baughistan will come.