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This video of a landlady has been circling around certain sites I have frequented as she claims to have been raped and assaulted even though she punched the man who she accused of raping her. So it makes me question if false allegations of crimes should be charged under the court of law?

My opinion is that false rape allegations are a crime and should be treated as perjury.

Yes, anyone who falsely accuses somebody of rape should be arrested and charged. It really does concern me that a female can ruin a males life by simply saying a few words.

Wind in the Willows wrote:Yes, anyone who falsely accuses somebody of rape should be arrested and charged. It really does concern me that a female can ruin a males life by simply saying a few words.

Indeed, I've got a lot more information on her, but it's probably safe to say this wasn't her first crocodile tear fest.

Wind in the Willows wrote:Yes, anyone who falsely accuses somebody of rape should be arrested and charged. It really does concern me that a female can ruin a males life by simply saying a few words.

At what point does something go from an unproven allegation to a false allegation?

OF COURSE!

Yes.

Depends on the substance. I mean patently, directly, serious false allegations of such which stands intended to ruin the reputation and general life of a person should be rewarded with very strict sentences. Does not matter if it is male or female. You try to ruin someones life by not merely rumormongering, but charging someone falsely when there is no substance to it? Yeah, put some years on top of that in the big house.

If there are 'weak' rape charges. As in, someplace where there has been intercourse, but the question of consent could be varying. As in two people who have gotten very drunk and somehow ended up with intercourse, and one person defining it as rape? Becomes more difficult and needs far more effort to define.

Why the hell not?

Korouse wrote:Why the hell not?

Because there becomes the problem of when exactly we know something is "false". That's certainly the biggest issue.

Isn't this already covered under libel and defamation laws?

Caninope wrote:

Korouse wrote:Why the hell not?

Because there becomes the problem of when exactly we know something is "false". That's certainly the biggest issue.

So just because they're tricky to find out people get an out-of-jail free card for potentially ruining someone's life?

Yeah, fuck that.

Herskerstad wrote:Depends on the substance. I mean patently, directly, serious false allegations of such which stands intended to ruin the reputation and general life of a person should be rewarded with very strict sentences. Does not matter if it is male or female. You try to ruin someones life by not merely rumormongering, but charging someone falsely when there is no substance to it? Yeah, put some years on top of that in the big house.

If there are 'weak' rape charges. As in, someplace where there has been intercourse, but the question of consent could be varying. As in two people who have gotten very drunk and somehow ended up with intercourse, and one person defining it as rape? Becomes more difficult and needs far more effort to define.

Just want to put this out there that, at least in the US, individuals do not have the power to charge for criminal suits, only the relevant jurisdiction can.

The Serbian Empire wrote:This video of a landlady has been circling around certain sites I have frequented as she claims to have been raped and assaulted even though she punched the man who she accused of raping her. So it makes me question if false allegations of crimes should be charged under the court of law?

My opinion is that false rape allegations are a crime and should be treated as perjury.

Perjury has a definition and that is lying in court after taking the oath of affirmation. At no point before this should it be considered perjury.

I propose that every male wear hidden cameras, so when mentally ill feminazis like that woman in the video start accusing you, you can simply hand the footage over to police. Simple.

Korouse wrote:

Caninope wrote:Because there becomes the problem of when exactly we know something is "false". That's certainly the biggest issue.

So just because they're tricky to find out people get an out-of-jail free card for potentially ruining someone's life?

Yeah, fuck that.

The problem being that any criminal accusation could potentially ruin someone's life. If you want this so badly, offer some ideas. When do we know if someone is pressing false allegations as opposed to simply unproven allegations? What if someone believes what they are alleging?

If your life is negatively affected because someone has made false allegations against you, then the severity of their penalty should also take that into consideration. Falsely accusing someone of rape can ruin their life before it ever even sees a court room. Penalties for liars should be harsh, but at the same time this should not dissuade actual victims from being able to come forward.

You'd have to be able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that they were lying.

Caninope wrote:

Korouse wrote:So just because they're tricky to find out people get an out-of-jail free card for potentially ruining someone's life?

Yeah, fuck that.

The problem being that any criminal accusation could potentially ruin someone's life. If you want this so badly, offer some ideas. When do we know if someone is pressing false allegations as opposed to simply unproven allegations? What if someone believes what they are alleging?

When we prove it's a false one, with evidence, and with detectives...

Soldati senza confini wrote:

The Serbian Empire wrote:This video of a landlady has been circling around certain sites I have frequented as she claims to have been raped and assaulted even though she punched the man who she accused of raping her. So it makes me question if false allegations of crimes should be charged under the court of law?

My opinion is that false rape allegations are a crime and should be treated as perjury.

Perjury has a definition and that is lying in court after taking the oath of affirmation. At no point before this should it be considered perjury.

Incorrect. Perjury has a definition and that is lying under oath. This doesn't just include courts, it can include other tribunals (including committees of Congress for instance) or certain, written, legal forms. But this is just being pedantic.

They should be illegal. They defame the good character of many people.

Caninope wrote:

Wind in the Willows wrote:Yes, anyone who falsely accuses somebody of rape should be arrested and charged. It really does concern me that a female can ruin a males life by simply saying a few words.

At what point does something go from an unproven allegation to a false allegation?

When it's disproven.

Caninope wrote:

Wind in the Willows wrote:Yes, anyone who falsely accuses somebody of rape should be arrested and charged. It really does concern me that a female can ruin a males life by simply saying a few words.

At what point does something go from an unproven allegation to a false allegation?

It would be the same standard as proving it. Failure to prove isn't the same as proven false. And it wouldn't be for just rape. It would be for every crime.

Korouse wrote:

Caninope wrote:The problem being that any criminal accusation could potentially ruin someone's life. If you want this so badly, offer some ideas. When do we know if someone is pressing false allegations as opposed to simply unproven allegations? What if someone believes what they are alleging?

When we prove it's a false one, with evidence, and with detectives...

I think you're having a problem here. How can we prove something didn't happen?

Delmonte wrote:

Caninope wrote:At what point does something go from an unproven allegation to a false allegation?

It would be the same standard as proving it. Failure to prove isn't the same as proven false. And it wouldn't be for just rape. It would be for every crime.

In a court of law, if an allegation is unproven, it is false.

Herskerstad wrote:Depends on the substance. I mean patently, directly, serious false allegations of such which stands intended to ruin the reputation and general life of a person should be rewarded with very strict sentences. Does not matter if it is male or female. You try to ruin someones life by not merely rumormongering, but charging someone falsely when there is no substance to it? Yeah, put some years on top of that in the big house.

If there are 'weak' rape charges. As in, someplace where there has been intercourse, but the question of consent could be varying. As in two people who have gotten very drunk and somehow ended up with intercourse, and one person defining it as rape? Becomes more difficult and needs far more effort to define.

Some of them are so false like the one in the video that you can clearly see malicious intent. Others are of the weak variety and tend to go further possibly to the point seeing a trial before it falls apart.

If it can be proven that someone has made an accusation up, then they should be given the sentence the rapist would have received had he been convicted for rape under those exact circumstances.