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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:51 am
by Caninope
Ucropi wrote:
Juristonia wrote:
So for the fourth time, you don't know what political correctness actually is, despite the fact that multiple people have tried to explain it to you, and will just keep regurgitating the same flawed arguments.
I think I'm about done here.

You keep telling me I don't know what it is yet you've not given a definition while I have. So what is it?

Encouraging someone to avoid offensive actions and/or phrases is not censorship, which is what you're alleging.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:55 am
by Ucropi
Keyboard Warriors wrote:
Ucropi wrote:You keep telling me I don't know what it is yet you've not given a definition while I have. So what is it?

the avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against

OR

demonstrating progressive ideals, esp by avoiding vocabulary that is considered offensive, discriminatory, or judgmental

So exactly the definition that i've posted multiple times, now maybe though Juristonia could be a big boy and answer.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:55 am
by Ucropi
Caninope wrote:
Ucropi wrote:You keep telling me I don't know what it is yet you've not given a definition while I have. So what is it?

Encouraging someone to avoid offensive actions and/or phrases is not censorship, which is what you're alleging.

What I am alleging has nothing to do with the definition I have posted multiple times.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:58 am
by Keyboard Warriors
Ucropi wrote:
Keyboard Warriors wrote:the avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against

OR

demonstrating progressive ideals, esp by avoiding vocabulary that is considered offensive, discriminatory, or judgmental

So exactly the definition that i've posted multiple times, now maybe though Juristonia could be a big boy and answer.

No, this definition is nothing like what you've been saying it is because political correctness is not censorship.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:59 am
by Ucropi
Keyboard Warriors wrote:
Ucropi wrote:So exactly the definition that i've posted multiple times, now maybe though Juristonia could be a big boy and answer.

No, this definition is nothing like what you've been saying it is because political correctness is not censorship.

Um no. The definition I have posted mulitple times(seriously go back a few pages) was taken directly off of google.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:00 am
by Caninope
Ucropi wrote:
Caninope wrote:Encouraging someone to avoid offensive actions and/or phrases is not censorship, which is what you're alleging.

What I am alleging has nothing to do with the definition I have posted multiple times.

Actually, it looks to me like you're trying to play a semantics game and moving the goalposts.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:00 am
by Caninope
Ucropi wrote:
Keyboard Warriors wrote:No, this definition is nothing like what you've been saying it is because political correctness is not censorship.

Um no. The definition I have posted mulitple times(seriously go back a few pages) was taken directly off of google.

Yes.

Avoiding offensive behavior that marginalizes =/= censorship

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:01 am
by Keyboard Warriors
Ucropi wrote:
Keyboard Warriors wrote:No, this definition is nothing like what you've been saying it is because political correctness is not censorship.

Um no. The definition I have posted mulitple times(seriously go back a few pages) was taken directly off of google.

So then why did you just insist that political correctness was censorship? I have the quote right here:

Ucropi wrote:Political Correctness is censorship.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:01 am
by Ucropi
Caninope wrote:
Ucropi wrote:Um no. The definition I have posted mulitple times(seriously go back a few pages) was taken directly off of google.

Yes.

Avoiding offensive behavior that marginalizes =/= censorship

Clearly what I wrote. Caught me.

Ucropi wrote:As per Google
Google wrote:po·lit·i·cal cor·rect·ness
noun
the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:02 am
by Ucropi
Keyboard Warriors wrote:
Ucropi wrote:Um no. The definition I have posted mulitple times(seriously go back a few pages) was taken directly off of google.

So then why did you just insist that political correctness was censorship? I have the quote right here:

Ucropi wrote:Political Correctness is censorship.

It is literally telling you there are words you cannot say. Are you telling me I'm wrong?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:02 am
by Keyboard Warriors
Ucropi wrote:
Caninope wrote:Yes.

Avoiding offensive behavior that marginalizes =/= censorship

Clearly what I wrote. Caught me.

Ucropi wrote:As per Google


Considering you used the definition to justify this here:

Ucropi wrote:Political Correctness is exactly that! You are telling them what they can and cannot say.


You don't seem to have a good grasp on what the definition means.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:02 am
by The Batorys
Frisbeeteria wrote:
Layarteb wrote:It's intolerably insufferable and it needs to go the way of the dinosaur in a similarly cataclysmic end. It is an enemy to any freedom of speech or thought and it has become a tool for oppression and double standard.

Pretty much this. Plus, it's heavily used here in NSG to stifle opposing views, which I find incredibly abhorrent in a forum that supposedly revolves around free expression of opinions. I particularly despise the use of PC in mob posting, where a thundering waterfall of posts descends on anyone who opposes the "correct" truth.

Yeah, those people who want to post bigoted, hateful opinions are so oppressed. It's like a violation of their human rights.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:02 am
by Keyboard Warriors
Ucropi wrote:
Keyboard Warriors wrote:So then why did you just insist that political correctness was censorship? I have the quote right here:


It is literally telling you there are words you cannot say. Are you telling me I'm wrong?

Yes.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:02 am
by Caninope
Ucropi wrote:
Caninope wrote:Yes.

Avoiding offensive behavior that marginalizes =/= censorship

Clearly what I wrote. Caught me.

Ucropi wrote:As per Google

That is your definition of political correctness, yes. You have also claimed that political correctness is censorship, here. The definition you posted is not the definition of censorship.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:04 am
by Caninope
Ucropi wrote:
Keyboard Warriors wrote:So then why did you just insist that political correctness was censorship? I have the quote right here:


It is literally telling you there are words you cannot say. Are you telling me I'm wrong?

No, it is literally telling you words you should not say. Modal verbs are important.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:04 am
by The Batorys
The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:
54e wrote:Wait, literally?

Political correctness is retarded. Is that not okay?

That's awful edgy there.

He must be the coolest kid in the whole school.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:04 am
by Ucropi
Keyboard Warriors wrote:
Ucropi wrote:Clearly what I wrote. Caught me.



Considering you used the definition to justify this here:

Ucropi wrote:Political Correctness is exactly that! You are telling them what they can and cannot say.


You don't seem to have a good grasp on what the definition means.
Political Correctness is avoiding offensive behavour etc. Right?
The act of impossing PC on people is what causes censorship. How is this hard to follow?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:06 am
by Viritica
Merizoc wrote:
Viritica wrote:Well, I like to think I have the right to defend myself from criticism.

Of course you do. And people have the right to call other people "assholes" when they're racist, sexist, or whatever.

And I'm neither racist or sexist.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:06 am
by Viritica
Guys, guys, I'm now offended by the term "citizen". From now I want to be referred to as a US documented worker.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:07 am
by The Batorys
Caninope wrote:
Wind in the Willows wrote:
Well fuck morals.

Because the way to live a happy and social life is to just utterly reject the moral and ethical codes of a society, amirite or amirite?

Is it really so hard to show someone just a little respect by saying, "Oh, I'm sorry. I won't call you by <insert slur here> anymore because I know that it offends you," ?

I share your bafflement on this.

I don't get people insisting on calling people things that they know offend them. If I'm informed that calling someone [slur] offends them, it costs me nothing to avoid using that slur.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:07 am
by Ucropi
Viritica wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Of course you do. And people have the right to call other people "assholes" when they're racist, sexist, or whatever.

And I'm neither racist or sexist.

I'm a little confused with what "having the right to call people "assholes"" has to do with anything?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:07 am
by Keyboard Warriors
Viritica wrote:Guys, guys, I'm now offended by the term "citizen". From now I want to be referred to as a US documented worker.

Which we aren't going to do. Feel free to call us assholes for declining your request though.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:08 am
by Sdaeriji
Ucropi wrote:The act of impossing PC on people is what causes censorship. How is this hard to follow?


No one is imposing anything. You're free to ignore the people telling you to not say offensive stuff.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:08 am
by Ucropi
The Batorys wrote:
Caninope wrote:Because the way to live a happy and social life is to just utterly reject the moral and ethical codes of a society, amirite or amirite?

Is it really so hard to show someone just a little respect by saying, "Oh, I'm sorry. I won't call you by <insert slur here> anymore because I know that it offends you," ?

I share your bafflement on this.

I don't get people insisting on calling people things that they know offend them. If I'm informed that calling someone [slur] offends them, it costs me nothing to avoid using that slur.

No one is arguing for the use of slurs, we just don't want to be told what we can or cannot say even if we wouldn't say it anyways.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:08 am
by Viritica
Ucropi wrote:
Viritica wrote:And I'm neither racist or sexist.

I'm a little confused with what "having the right to call people "assholes"" has to do with anything?

I'm not too sure.