Your Opinion of Political Correctness

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You have the right to say what you want.
Your employer has the right to can you.
As a capitalist, I would've thought you loved that sorta thing.

I'm not entirely fine with it. Sure, the employer should have the right to "control" his/her employees, but to a point. If the employers interest collides with the rights of the employee then we have a problem.

If you say comments while donning the uniform that do not reflect my philosophy as a business owner then I have the right to fire you. Pretty simple concept.

Once you are off the clock and off for the day and you are with your buddies you don't have to answer to me.

[Sdaeriji]

And someone being fired for racism on the job isn't being fired because they had a nasty opinion, they're being fired because certain customers heard said opinion and proceeded to take their business elsewhere. You can continue to pretend that an employee exists in a vacuum where their actions have no affect on their co-workers and the rest of the business, but this is clearly not the case.

You do know that this goes much deeper? To the point where one is fired for posting a comic that makes a "black joke" on facebook. You can't seriously believe that this reduces business for the employer.

I'd say posting it on Facebook increases the likelihood of business being reduced than if they had just told the joke in the store.

[Caninope]

Well, I'd assume it's because if they're in Africa, they're not in America.

because no one has ever immigrated to America before?

Sure. But you mentioned white people in Africa. You're also ignoring the fact that I've literally already answered this question for you, pages ago.

[Altarica]

My problem with political correctness is that people have found being offended is now a good way of winning an argument or not talking about sensitive issues. Having a thick skin is not a bad thing.

[Valentir]

It is horrible and we do not need it. I miss the good old days when you could spit in someone's face, insult anyone, and punch someone who didn't agree with you.

[Tulija]

The right to offend, as a part of unbridled freedom of expression, is something I wholeheartedly approve of.

[Ifreann]

No, those who are racists, misogynists, atheists or pagans, or greedy are described as racists, misogynists, atheists or pagans, or greedy, respectively. Don't know why "atheists or pagans" is in there, though...

Sort of...

There are great exceptions to this that we see day to day all the time.

E.g (1):

One can be against gay marriage. Utterly convinced in their convictions - "Homesexuals should not marry." His argument may have a decent case to it citing, I dunno, religious grounds or legal implications. However, society has, by large, accepted the human right for a homesexual couple to marry, thus one with personal/political/religious views homesexual marriage (not homosexuality itself) is often victimised/abused/branded as homophobic. They may not be homophobic at all, they just have a view on the marriage aspect. It's just a minor point of view, however the politically correct societies we tend to live in now victimise those people that have a more 'old fashioned' outlook on modernist issues like that which I have mentioned.

What I'm trying to say here in this instance, it is politically incorrect (seemingly) to have a counter opinion on a delicate issue just as gay marriage to the point where someone will brand the opposition as homophobic. The very fact gay people can marry is a testament to freedom and democracy, but one should still have a differing point of view without a group going all totalitarian and demanding those voices of opposition be crushed.

It is inherently homophobic to want to deny gay people equal treatment before the law. You will find, however, that there are several people who oppose gay marriage on the grounds that they oppose any form of legal marriage. This not being homophobic, these people aren't called homophobes.

E.g (2):

Dunno how true this is now, but I read an article some years ago on the BBC that certain superstores in the United States (maybe New York, can't remember) had to refer to the Christmas period with the slogan "Happy Holidays!" as opposed to "Merry Christmas!" in case it would offend non-Christian religious minorities in the name of political correctness. If true, correct me if wrong, this is quite absurd.

They don't have to do this. They choose to do this, because if you do offend people by ignoring their religion then you'll lose customers. There's nothing absurd about recognising that non-Christians have money to spend too.

E.g (3):

I've locked horns with one or two atheists in the past about my religious beliefs whereby I have to justify my beliefs to them who would simply label me as a 'deluded idiot' for believing such nonsense. I don't brand atheists as Godless rejects but to be labelled the opposite by people who don't even believe is incredibly hypocritical. Atheists tend to find they get away with, and they certainly could in NS because they are in the majority on here, because they shout there's no evidence - the majority have the shout = not politically incorrect.

Atheists are subject to the rules of this website as much as any other group.

[Ucropi]

My problem with political correctness is that people have found being offended is now a good way of winning an argument or not talking about sensitive issues. Having a thick skin is not a bad thing.

One of the few sane people here.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And someone being fired for racism on the job isn't being fired because they had a nasty opinion, they're being fired because certain customers heard said opinion and proceeded to take their business elsewhere. You can continue to pretend that an employee exists in a vacuum where their actions have no affect on their co-workers and the rest of the business, but this is clearly not the case.

You do know that this goes much deeper? To the point where one is fired for posting a comic that makes a "black joke" on facebook. You can't seriously believe that this reduces business for the employer.

It does actually.

The black joke may have been posted while business hours, so the employer has the right to fire.

[Kelinfort]

The right to offend, as a part of unbridled freedom of expression, is something I wholeheartedly approve of.

Of course you can. But your job isn't a right neither is freedom from being called an asshole.

[Keyboard Warriors]

And someone being fired for racism on the job isn't being fired because they had a nasty opinion, they're being fired because certain customers heard said opinion and proceeded to take their business elsewhere. You can continue to pretend that an employee exists in a vacuum where their actions have no affect on their co-workers and the rest of the business, but this is clearly not the case.

You do know that this goes much deeper? To the point where one is fired for posting a comic that makes a "black joke" on facebook. You can't seriously believe that this reduces business for the employer.

If you aren't friends with your boss on facebook and they see it, what makes you think nobody else can?

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[Caninope]

You have the right to say what you want.
Your employer has the right to can you.
As a capitalist, I would've thought you loved that sorta thing.

I'm not entirely fine with it. Sure, the employer should have the right to "control" his/her employees, but to a point. If the employers interest collides with the rights of the employee then we have a problem.

No we don't. A commercial transaction is a two way street- if either party is unhappy, for whatever reason, they should be able to end the agreement (so long as the customer or employee is not being discriminated against on the basis of a few key protected classes).

[Ventaura]

1. Rand Paul?
2. Many Republicans have already said this.
3. See above.
4. This is not the GOP's official position.
5. See above.

To add to that, many "right-wingers" think that some amount of gun policies are a good idea.

It's just that every fucking bill suggested was made by disphits who don't look at gun death statistics, don't look at the type of gun used, and make up words to describe weaponry.

Gun death statistics? Oh you mean like how Chicago, New York, and Washington D.C have major gun crime problems despite the fact that they have some of the most gun control laws in this nation? When will liberals learn that banning something doesn't decrease it, *Cough* Prohibition *cough* A criminal following a law is a direct contradiction of the term, "Criminal", my good sir.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

My problem with political correctness is that people have found being offended is now a good way of winning an argument or not talking about sensitive issues. Having a thick skin is not a bad thing.

One of the few sane people here.

I have a thick skin. Doesn't mean I am about to let any employee of mine say or do whatever the fuck he wants on the clock. We're professionals, not thugs.

[Caninope]

Not quite. Those of black non-African descent (i.e. Papa New Guineans) have other appropriate categories to be used.

I know a bunch of Jamaicans who would beat someone for calling them African American they are not of African decent they are of Jamaican decent.

That's awesome.

You've already mentioned, however, that you don't live in America. Therefore, their experiences have no relevance to black identity in America.

[Greater-London]

1. See, if I had to summarize either of those two definitions in five words or less, I'd always end up with something similar to "don't be a dick". Those dictionary excerpts are just long winded, sophisticated ways of saying you should be nice to people and respect their feelings.That's all political correctness is, that's all it will ever be about and pretending it's about anything else is just plain dishonest.


2. It's also politically correct to use the word black. Unless a black person says "look, I don't like that word, can you call me this instead?" and then if you decide to be nice and call them something different, you're also being politically correct. Although most people would call that being reasonable.

1. Yes but the technical definition of something doesn't always have to be five words or fewer. I'd never dispute that the intent of political correctness was to both be nice to people and respect their feelings but its wrong to pretend its just that. Political Correctness is a means to create a "nicer" society but it does it through restriction and censorship there becomes an "official" PC language.

2. It is just being reasonable so why have a term politically correct unless of course it means something more than simply "being reasonable".

[Kelinfort]

1. See, if I had to summarize either of those two definitions in five words or less, I'd always end up with something similar to "don't be a dick". Those dictionary excerpts are just long winded, sophisticated ways of saying you should be nice to people and respect their feelings.That's all political correctness is, that's all it will ever be about and pretending it's about anything else is just plain dishonest.


2. It's also politically correct to use the word black. Unless a black person says "look, I don't like that word, can you call me this instead?" and then if you decide to be nice and call them something different, you're also being politically correct. Although most people would call that being reasonable.

1. Yes but the technical definition of something doesn't always have to be five words or fewer. I'd never dispute that the intent of political correctness was to both be nice to people and respect their feelings but its wrong to pretend its just that. Political Correctness is a means to create a "nicer" society but it does it through restriction and censorship there becomes an "official" PC language.

2. It is just being reasonable so why have a term politically correct unless of course it means something more than simply "being reasonable".

2. I addressed that in my OP.

[Juristonia]

To add to that, many "right-wingers" think that some amount of gun policies are a good idea.

It's just that every fucking bill suggested was made by disphits who don't look at gun death statistics, don't look at the type of gun used, and make up words to describe weaponry.

Gun death statistics? Oh you mean like how Chicago, New York, and Washington D.C have major gun crime problems despite the fact that they have some of the most gun control laws in this nation? When will liberals learn that banning something doesn't decrease it, *Cough* Prohibition *cough* A criminal following a law is a direct contradiction of the term, "Criminal", my good sir.

Can we shove the gun control babbling firmly where it belongs?

Meaning the gun control thread.

[Viritica]

People don't have a right to not be offended. It's as simple as that.

And people have a duty to show basic kindness and respect to other people. Far too often we frame political correctness (and too many other things) in terms of rights, but what of duties?

In this day in age people are offended by their own shadow. I'm not going to inconvenience myself because a few people don't like what I say.

[Altarica]

One of the few sane people here.

I have a thick skin. Doesn't mean I am about to let any employee of mine say or do whatever the fuck he wants on the clock. We're professionals, not thugs.

Of course not, but what I was saying was in regard to arguments and debates, many people nowadays simply say "that's offensive" and the debate goes no further. In my opinion, that's wrong.

[Krasivovia]

Of course not, but what I was saying was in regard to arguments and debates, many people nowadays simply say "that's offensive" and the debate goes no further. In my opinion, that's wrong.

^
This.

[Ventaura]

Gun death statistics? Oh you mean like how Chicago, New York, and Washington D.C have major gun crime problems despite the fact that they have some of the most gun control laws in this nation? When will liberals learn that banning something doesn't decrease it, *Cough* Prohibition *cough* A criminal following a law is a direct contradiction of the term, "Criminal", my good sir.

Can we shove the gun control babbling firmly where it belongs?

Meaning the gun control thread.

My apologizes, man. You're right.

[Sdaeriji]

And people have a duty to show basic kindness and respect to other people. Far too often we frame political correctness (and too many other things) in terms of rights, but what of duties?

In this day in age people are offended by their own shadow. I'm not going to inconvenience myself because a few people don't like what I say.

Then stop bitching when people express their disapproval of what you say.

[Viritica]

In this day in age people are offended by their own shadow. I'm not going to inconvenience myself because a few people don't like what I say.

Then stop bitching when people express their disapproval of what you say.

No, because it's gotten to the point where it's fucking ridiculous.

[Krasivovia]

Then stop bitching when people express their disapproval of what you say.

There is a difference between complaining and getting offended.