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Should the President be Impeached?

Yes, Obama is a criminal and has acted unconstitutionally
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No, Obama has done nothing worthy of impeachment
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Maybe, I don't really keep up with politics
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3%
Regardless, it won't happen
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Postby Rothuria » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:06 am

I don't really like - I loath his policies - Obama, but the thought of Biddy as president scares me. :? He seems like the one to confuse a nuke button for a light-switch.

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Postby Free Soviets » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:08 am

Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:Why don't the Americans introduce votes of no confidence like most of the rest of the world? Then they might be able to get a President who has the support of Congress for a change.

acceptable as soon as it isn't possible for the party that loses by over a million votes to control congress. easy fix on a technical level. harder to do in practice, given our bad system.

as it stands, the president is the only really democratically-justified person in the government.
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Postby Holy Trek » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:12 am

The United Territories of Providence wrote:So this has been on my mind since Mitch McConnell said "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." That is disturbing, I don't like Obama. He's the better alternative to McCain or Romney, but that doesn't make him good. That being said, he hasn't done anything worthy of impeachment. It seems a lot of Americans believe impeachment is your way of showing dissatisfaction with the President. Not true. Impeachment is reserved for crimes for example treason or perjury. Disappointment isn't a crime or impeachable offense. Clinton shouldn't have been impeached. But anyway, my party has a majority in the house that they might hold past November, they also may pick up some senate seats. If the house was determined enough they could work with the blue dog democrats and actually file articles of impeachment. Right or wrong, they wouldn't have anyone to stop them. The White House sees this as a credible threat, 35% of Americans want Obama impeached, then you've got Boehner suing the President, Sarah Palin calling for impeachment on facebook, and Michele Bachmann screaming about it on Fox News. I don't think it's likely, but it could happen. I honestly believe some Republicans hate the President more than they love our country, they'd be willing to disrupt government and spend millions of tax payer dollars just to oust the President. Maybe they wouldn't try so hard if they knew it meant President Biden *shudders*.

So I think it could happen, I hope it doesn't. What about any of you? Will the Republicans oust the President or win their law suit? Should Obama be impeached? Are the House Republicans right or wrong? Does this really relate to Obama's policies or is it because they're still bitter of 2012? 6 years later could this even be race related?


I doubt it. Even if the GOP holds on to the House, they won't get enough Senate seats thanks to the Tea Party alienating them. Besides, even if they did impeach Obama, they can't get rid of Biden, so they're still screwed
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Postby Death Metal » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:15 am

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Wiretapping is so commonplace we could arrest the entire federal government for it.

I am personally not opposed to that, but I don't see it happening.


Haha, the people think they have power. It make me laugh.

TG me if you aren't very serious and want to know where the realpower lies.


:roll:

Translation: "TG me to hear lies from pundits who claim to be against the mainstream media but work for a mainstream media group."
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:18 am

Death Metal wrote:
Lavan Tiri wrote:
Haha, the people think they have power. It make me laugh.

TG me if you aren't very serious and want to know where the realpower lies.


:roll:

Translation: "TG me to hear lies from pundits who claim to be against the mainstream media but work for a mainstream media group."


No, more like "TG TO HEAR ME BABBLE ABOUT THE ILLUMINATI."

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Postby Death Metal » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:19 am

Lavan Tiri wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
:roll:

Translation: "TG me to hear lies from pundits who claim to be against the mainstream media but work for a mainstream media group."


No, more like "TG TO HEAR ME BABBLE ABOUT THE ILLUMINATI."


Wait, you were joking?

Sorry, hard to tell the difference sometimes.
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Postby Free Soviets » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:19 am

The Serbian Empire wrote:Obama and the last ten presidents have done impeachable stuff, but it's nigh impossible to impeach Presidents these days.

'these days'? there have been exactly two presidents who have been impeached. ever. and one of them was far and away the worst president we've ever had (and wasn't even elected to the position, either) - and he still managed to avoid getting the boot in the senate.

its always been basically unheard of to impeach a president.

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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:20 am

Death Metal wrote:
Lavan Tiri wrote:
Haha, the people think they have power. It make me laugh.

TG me if you aren't very serious and want to know where the realpower lies.


:roll:

Translation: "TG me to hear lies from pundits who claim to be against the mainstream media but work for a mainstream media group."

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Postby The Remnants of Kobol » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:22 am

Well, if this happened completely, Biden would be President, the GOP would sacrifice 2016 for a vendetta, and not a damn thing got accomplished.

What will likely happen is that it gets pushed more and more, a few of the crazier politicians will jump on it, the minority of citizens who hate Obama for everything he does/doesn't/might have/might not have/is/is not/etc will froth at the mouth and cry for blood, and then the impeachment process dies slowly and loudly. It's death get's blamed on Obama. Thanks Obama.
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Postby Lavan Tiri » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:23 am

Napkiraly wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
:roll:

Translation: "TG me to hear lies from pundits who claim to be against the mainstream media but work for a mainstream media group."

Bets, bets! Take yer bets! I got Illuminati, Agenda 21, Rockefeller NWO, Reptilians and Transhumanist Round Table up for bets in the this here grey eminence conspiracy!


It's the Illuminati. And a joke. And I'll tell that I'm in charge of the Illuminati. But yeah, let's impeach BO.

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Postby Death Metal » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:26 am

The Remnants of Kobol wrote:Well, if this happened completely, Biden would be President, the GOP would sacrifice 2016 for a vendetta, and not a damn thing got accomplished.


Assuming they have anything to sacrifice, other than their ever-eroding voter base.
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Postby The Remnants of Kobol » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:29 am

Death Metal wrote:
The Remnants of Kobol wrote:Well, if this happened completely, Biden would be President, the GOP would sacrifice 2016 for a vendetta, and not a damn thing got accomplished.


Assuming they have anything to sacrifice, other than their ever-eroding voter base.


Well, by sacrifice, I meant "After election map would look like Nixon's election in '72, but supporting Democrats"
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:30 am

IIRC, the Vice President assumes the position as President.

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Postby Delator » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:30 am

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Delator wrote:Jeez guys...ASB already spelled this one out before the last election.



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It's not a horrible strategy, honestly...provided you can stand the smell.


Which only floats in the right wing echo chamber, which would automatically ignore that Clinton was not actually convicted (and that were Obama to be impeached he would likely not be convicted either).


Granted, but it's not like it needs to float anywhere else. Since when is this Republican party interested in anything other than meat for the base??

Democrats could do a political jujitsu and exclaim that Republicans do not respect lawfully elected Democratic presidents and will always try to impeach them regardless of any actual high crimes and misdemeanors not being committed.


Which might work, but it also plays into the narrative the Republicans are spinning. The Dems might be better off simply handing the Repubs the loaded gun rather than pulling the trigger for them.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:49 am

The United Territories of Providence wrote:So this has been on my mind since Mitch McConnell said "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." That is disturbing, I don't like Obama. He's the better alternative to McCain or Romney, but that doesn't make him good. That being said, he hasn't done anything worthy of impeachment. It seems a lot of Americans believe impeachment is your way of showing dissatisfaction with the President. Not true. Impeachment is reserved for crimes for example treason or perjury. Disappointment isn't a crime or impeachable offense. Clinton shouldn't have been impeached. But anyway, my party has a majority in the house that they might hold past November, they also may pick up some senate seats. If the house was determined enough they could work with the blue dog democrats and actually file articles of impeachment. Right or wrong, they wouldn't have anyone to stop them. The White House sees this as a credible threat, 35% of Americans want Obama impeached, then you've got Boehner suing the President, Sarah Palin calling for impeachment on facebook, and Michele Bachmann screaming about it on Fox News. I don't think it's likely, but it could happen. I honestly believe some Republicans hate the President more than they love our country, they'd be willing to disrupt government and spend millions of tax payer dollars just to oust the President. Maybe they wouldn't try so hard if they knew it meant President Biden *shudders*.

So I think it could happen, I hope it doesn't. What about any of you? Will the Republicans oust the President or win their law suit? Should Obama be impeached? Are the House Republicans right or wrong? Does this really relate to Obama's policies or is it because they're still bitter of 2012? 6 years later could this even be race related?


it sure could happen.

it would make the republicans look like partisan hacks and lose them extra seats in the house. that's why the speaker is trying to keep the urge tamped down.
whatever

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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:55 am

Biden becomes Pres, Republicans impeach him so Boehmer becomes Pres.
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:56 am

Ashmoria wrote:
The United Territories of Providence wrote:So this has been on my mind since Mitch McConnell said "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." That is disturbing, I don't like Obama. He's the better alternative to McCain or Romney, but that doesn't make him good. That being said, he hasn't done anything worthy of impeachment. It seems a lot of Americans believe impeachment is your way of showing dissatisfaction with the President. Not true. Impeachment is reserved for crimes for example treason or perjury. Disappointment isn't a crime or impeachable offense. Clinton shouldn't have been impeached. But anyway, my party has a majority in the house that they might hold past November, they also may pick up some senate seats. If the house was determined enough they could work with the blue dog democrats and actually file articles of impeachment. Right or wrong, they wouldn't have anyone to stop them. The White House sees this as a credible threat, 35% of Americans want Obama impeached, then you've got Boehner suing the President, Sarah Palin calling for impeachment on facebook, and Michele Bachmann screaming about it on Fox News. I don't think it's likely, but it could happen. I honestly believe some Republicans hate the President more than they love our country, they'd be willing to disrupt government and spend millions of tax payer dollars just to oust the President. Maybe they wouldn't try so hard if they knew it meant President Biden *shudders*.

So I think it could happen, I hope it doesn't. What about any of you? Will the Republicans oust the President or win their law suit? Should Obama be impeached? Are the House Republicans right or wrong? Does this really relate to Obama's policies or is it because they're still bitter of 2012? 6 years later could this even be race related?


it sure could happen.

it would make the republicans look like partisan hacks and lose them extra seats in the house. that's why the speaker is trying to keep the urge tamped down.


The law suit which has no standing is likely an attempt to appease that group. Or at least delay them until after the midterms.
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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:57 am

greed and death wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
it sure could happen.

it would make the republicans look like partisan hacks and lose them extra seats in the house. that's why the speaker is trying to keep the urge tamped down.


The law suit which has no standing is likely an attempt to appease that group. Or at least delay them until after the midterms.


yeah. it doesn't even matter that the lawsuit is stupid as long as it distracts the impeachment-crazed members from pushing the issue.
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My opinion of their party drops to the shitter more than already has, and I just don't mean their congressional seats, I mean the whole shebang.
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Postby Murbleflip » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:02 am

Wind in the Willows wrote:IIRC, the Vice President assumes the position as President.

He's just Biden his time.
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:04 am

Murbleflip wrote:
Wind in the Willows wrote:IIRC, the Vice President assumes the position as President.

He's just Biden his time.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:25 am

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's certainly tricky to impeach people when their impeachable offences aren't actually impeachable.

Trust me, the reason the impeachment movements never get off the ground outside Nixon and that is because Nixon both committed a deliberate conspiracy to cover up a burglary and had become unpopular within his own party to the point he could be impeached. The bolded is needed to get impeachment proceedings to make it through the Senate.

Nixon wasn't impeached. He was very nearly impeached, but resigned first. Clinton was impeached, but acquitted in the Senate. What treason, bribery or other high crime or misdemeanour did all those other presidents commit?
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:40 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Trust me, the reason the impeachment movements never get off the ground outside Nixon and that is because Nixon both committed a deliberate conspiracy to cover up a burglary and had become unpopular within his own party to the point he could be impeached. The bolded is needed to get impeachment proceedings to make it through the Senate.

Nixon wasn't impeached. He was very nearly impeached, but resigned first. Clinton was impeached, but acquitted in the Senate. What treason, bribery or other high crime or misdemeanour did all those other presidents commit?

Well, John Kennedy had sex with women he wasn't married to and was mean to southern Democrats. Lyndon Johnson held one of his dogs up by the ears and was mean to southern Democrats and passed a lot of unnecessary "civil rights" laws (and after that there were no southern Democrats anymore). Dick Nixon was ... Dick Nixon. Everyone liked Gerry Ford, so we can skip him. Jimmy Carter was scared by a rabbit, that has to be impeachable. Ronald Reagan used his wife's astrologer for advice. George HW Bush didn't finish off Saddam. Bill Clinton was ... Bill Clinton. George W Bush was ... George W Bush. Easy, isn't it?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:43 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nixon wasn't impeached. He was very nearly impeached, but resigned first. Clinton was impeached, but acquitted in the Senate. What treason, bribery or other high crime or misdemeanour did all those other presidents commit?

Well, John Kennedy had sex with women he wasn't married to and was mean to southern Democrats. Lyndon Johnson held one of his dogs up by the ears and was mean to southern Democrats and passed a lot of unnecessary "civil rights" laws (and after that there were no southern Democrats anymore). Dick Nixon was ... Dick Nixon. Everyone liked Gerry Ford, so we can skip him. Jimmy Carter was scared by a rabbit, that has to be impeachable. Ronald Reagan used his wife's astrologer for advice. George HW Bush didn't finish off Saddam. Bill Clinton was ... Bill Clinton. George W Bush was ... George W Bush. Easy, isn't it?

You folks sure do elect some awful scoundrels. Rabbis and astrologers and Saddam, oh my.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:47 am

Ifreann wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Well, John Kennedy had sex with women he wasn't married to and was mean to southern Democrats. Lyndon Johnson held one of his dogs up by the ears and was mean to southern Democrats and passed a lot of unnecessary "civil rights" laws (and after that there were no southern Democrats anymore). Dick Nixon was ... Dick Nixon. Everyone liked Gerry Ford, so we can skip him. Jimmy Carter was scared by a rabbit, that has to be impeachable. Ronald Reagan used his wife's astrologer for advice. George HW Bush didn't finish off Saddam. Bill Clinton was ... Bill Clinton. George W Bush was ... George W Bush. Easy, isn't it?

You folks sure do elect some awful scoundrels. Rabbis and astrologers and Saddam, oh my.

It's part of the plan. People think, "Those wacky Americans, look at their Presidents, what a bunch of maroons, nobody could be afraid of ... Hey! Where did all these soldiers come from? Let go of my throat ... Aaarrgghh!"
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