On Armed Insurrection

[United Marxist Nations]

Yeah, if they don't want a group of people speaking a language, that means they are directly trying to keep a group from having any influence in the country; it's directly discriminatory.

Well, let's look at it from a different perspective. Country A has two languages and the majority of its inhabitants are bilingual. A says that x language shouldn't be spoken because reasons. If people are already able to speak in y language, and only hold onto x language for cultural reasons, how is that preventing speakers of y language engaging or having any influence in the country?

This is why I don't understand any kind of independence movement like ETA or the FLQ that use language as one of its main reasons why they killed people.

At that point, fuck them.

So....saying "you can't speak that language" is justification for murder? Does life have any value to you at all?

Because it's trying to force a group to abandon its culture.

[Lavan Tiri]

UMN, something's wrong with the OP: NSG has liberals, communists, egoists, and athiests. Not varied worldviews.

[United Marxist Nations]

UMN, something's wrong with the OP: NSG has liberals, communists, egoists, and athiests. Not varied worldviews.

Despite what you think, all of those are different. For example: I think liberalism is rather silly.

[Margno]

The thing is, if the idea is firmly set in the minds of the people that threats are invalid, then violence stops being rational, because it stops equating to any real force. You can kill people, sure, but you can't compel them to do what you want. Honestly, the remaining capitalists could continue killing people and being as condemned as the westboro baptist church throughout the country, or they could turn and be socially accepted, but they'd have no option to get their power back. If you say "I own this factory, all of you are trespassing, get out now!" And they say "no." then your ownership is only real in your own head.

They'll just make you leave the factory. And the "you can't compel" is just silly; when you start killing dissenters, people pay attention. Learn from history.

It only works if you let it work. Much of this theory is based on the early Christians, who the Romans had a habit of putting to death for their trouble. Didn't stop them.

[Lavan Tiri]

UMN, something's wrong with the OP: NSG has liberals, communists, egoists, and athiests. Not varied worldviews.

Despite what you think, all of those are different. For example: I think liberalism is rather silly.

I control all of them, and from the Illuminati's perspective, all views are the same: tools.

[Margno]

UMN, something's wrong with the OP: NSG has liberals, communists, egoists, and athiests. Not varied worldviews.

I've also seen conservatives, nationalists, neo nazis, the odd Christian anarchist, and some... really weird shit. Ooh, and there was that one guy who supported the Juche ideology.

[United Marxist Nations]

Despite what you think, all of those are different. For example: I think liberalism is rather silly.

I control all of them, and from the Illuminati's perspective, all views are the same: tools.

Please don't be ridiculous.

[Korouse]

UMN, something's wrong with the OP: NSG has liberals, communists, egoists, and athiests. Not varied worldviews.

I've also seen conservatives, nationalists, neo nazis, the odd Christian anarchist, and some... really weird shit. Ooh, and there was that one guy who supported the Juche ideology.

And people who just don't fucking care.

[United Marxist Nations]

They'll just make you leave the factory. And the "you can't compel" is just silly; when you start killing dissenters, people pay attention. Learn from history.

It only works if you let it work. Much of this theory is based on the early Christians, who the Romans had a habit of putting to death for their trouble. Didn't stop them.

Actually, the Romans were plenty able to stop them. Christianity only hit the big time because Constantine converted.

[Lavan Tiri]

I control all of them, and from the Illuminati's perspective, all views are the same: tools.

Please don't be ridiculous.

Why the fuck not?

As for the actual topic, meh. Depends on the reason. If it's a Stormcloak-type race war, no. An American-Revolution style freedom fight? Go for it, I'll sign up.

[The New Sea Territory]

UMN, something's wrong with the OP: NSG has liberals, communists, egoists, and athiests. Not varied worldviews.

I've also seen conservatives, nationalists, neo nazis, the odd Christian anarchist, and some... really weird shit. Ooh, and there was that one guy who supported the Juche ideology.

There are actually quite a few Christian anarchists, a primitivist, Council Communists, National Syndicalists, etc.

[The New Sea Territory]

It only works if you let it work. Much of this theory is based on the early Christians, who the Romans had a habit of putting to death for their trouble. Didn't stop them.

Actually, the Romans were plenty able to stop them. Christianity only hit the big time because Constantine converted.

The Council of Nicaea, where the Bible was written/created and the books in it were selected, was paid for by the Roman Government and even run by politicians.

[United Marxist Nations]

Actually, the Romans were plenty able to stop them. Christianity only hit the big time because Constantine converted.

The Council of Nicaea, where the Bible was written/created and the books in it were selected, was paid for by the Roman Government and even run by politicians.

You know who was Emperor at the time? Might want to check , because it was the one I named.

[Margno]

It only works if you let it work. Much of this theory is based on the early Christians, who the Romans had a habit of putting to death for their trouble. Didn't stop them.

Actually, the Romans were plenty able to stop them. Christianity only hit the big time because Constantine converted.

That wouldn't have been much of a reason to convert, now would it have? The Christians had become such a problematic political presence that he needed their support.
As a politician he understood the increasing importance of the Christian minority. "Apparently every ruler of consequence had recognized that persecution had failed and that anyone who hoped to control the empire or even an important part of it must make his peace with the church." It was certainly to Constantine's political advantage to gain the support of the church. (Willems, Katherine.)
Which is exactly what I've been saying. They were told to participate in the state cult or face the sword. They didn't. The Romans had a ton of them killed. They still didn't participate in the state cult, and the movement didn't die off. It continued gaining popularity until it had gotten so bad, the Romans needed the political influence of an alliance, and adopted their religion.

[United Marxist Nations]

Actually, the Romans were plenty able to stop them. Christianity only hit the big time because Constantine converted.

That wouldn't have been much of a reason to convert, now would it have? The Christians had become such a problematic political presence that he needed their support.
As a politician he understood the increasing importance of the Christian minority. "Apparently every ruler of consequence had recognized that persecution had failed and that anyone who hoped to control the empire or even an important part of it must make his peace with the church." It was certainly to Constantine's political advantage to gain the support of the church. (Willems, Katherine.)
Which is exactly what I've been saying. They were told to participate in the state cult or face the sword. They didn't. The Romans had a ton of them killed. They still didn't participate in the state cult, and the movement didn't die off. It continued gaining popularity until it had gotten so bad, the Romans needed the political influence of an alliance, and adopted their religion.

Getting support from the minority didn't require converting himself.

[CTALNH]

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ahahahahahahaha.

Yes. Masses of rednecks with Glorified Pellet Guns defeating M1 Abrams happens in every rebellion.

In my favored scenario (i.e. that of a socialist revolution), the military, because it is made up of mostly proletarians, would largely side with the proletariat; as an example, that's kind of what happened in the Russian Revolution.

That would require a conscript military like that of Russia and China not a mercenary army that the USA has.

[Wind in the Willows]

Is armed insurrection justified in the case of a minority protecting itself from the majority?

The majority can easily suppress the minority, an armed rebellion is completely useless in this situation.

Is it justified in the majority disagreeing with the decisions of a government?

Possibly.

[Arkolon]

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ahahahahahahaha.

Yes. Masses of rednecks with Glorified Pellet Guns defeating M1 Abrams happens in every rebellion.

In my favored scenario (i.e. that of a socialist revolution), the military, because it is made up of mostly proletarians, would largely side with the proletariat; as an example, that's kind of what happened in the Russian Revolution.

But we don't really live in 1917 anymore, and no one uses outdated terms like "proletariats" or "bourgeois" unless for humourous purposes.

[Hurdegaryp]

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ahahahahahahaha.

Yes. Masses of rednecks with Glorified Pellet Guns defeating M1 Abrams happens in every rebellion.

In my favored scenario (i.e. that of a socialist revolution), the military, because it is made up of mostly proletarians, would largely side with the proletariat; as an example, that's kind of what happened in the Russian Revolution.

Which was aided by the fact that the Czar proved to be a piss-poor war leader during the catastrophic events of the First World War.