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Rephesus
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Postby Rephesus » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:40 pm

I can respect the fact that Quebecois separatists aren't violent in their mislead goal to break apart Canada. If they used force to press their agenda,Canada wouldn't be the peaceful and stable nation it is today, it's good they respect the democratic process. Same goes for Scotland (Neutral) and Catalonia(Moderately Pro)

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Postby Silent Majority » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:59 pm

I've come to respect the strand of Hoppe influenced libertarians for at least recognizing that their ideology is incompatible with egalitarian and Democratic values.
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Postby Murkwood » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:59 pm

Collective farms, like the Kibbutz in Israel, can and often do work.
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Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby The cold ice » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:01 pm

Extremists are usually better at making people realize that a problem exists, even if they have solutions I don't fully agree with. See: Marxists and child labor, etc.
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Postby Othelos » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:11 pm

I guess restricting personal freedoms would be good if everyone was a criminal...or something.

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Postby Ashmoria » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:12 pm

The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:

oh for sure. I will concede that they had good reason to be angry.

A black man in the Oval Office is pretty infuriating.

having the banks fuck the world's economy then getting bailed out is infuriating.
whatever

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:12 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:A black man in the Oval Office is pretty infuriating.

having the banks fuck the world's economy then getting bailed out is infuriating.

Thank you.
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Postby Murkwood » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:17 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Sorry but there's no rationale behind homophobia, xenophobia, transphobia, abortion is murder and racism. I can't see any positives in those nor do I respect posters who hold such views. There's no common ground to be found.

Homophobia: Some people might be very religious, and have religious objections. Also, this usage of "phobia" is not what pro-traditional marriage folks would say.
Xenophobia: See nationalism.
Transphobia: Some people, like me, might believe that amputating organs doesn't change one's sex, which they (and I) believe is a biological reality, and not something you can change.
Abortion is Murder: You can easily understand why someone, like I, think that way. (Also, you don't respect me?)
Racism: Yeah, I quit.
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Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Vamtrl » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:18 pm

I am still waiting for the day I am wrong to concede a point. its not likely to ever happen but you never know. 8)

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Postby Othelos » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:21 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Sorry but there's no rationale behind homophobia, xenophobia, transphobia, abortion is murder and racism. I can't see any positives in those nor do I respect posters who hold such views. There's no common ground to be found.

Homophobia: Some people might be very religious, and have religious objections.
Xenophobia: See nationalism.
Transphobia: Some people, like me, might believe that imputing organs doesn't change one's sex, which they (and I) believe is a biological reality, and not something you can change.
Abortion is Murder: You can easily understand why someone, like I, think that way. (Also, you don't respect me?)
Racism: Yeah, I quit.

you're wrong on transphobia, because you can change organs. at least aesthetically.

Also, abortion isn't murder (it doesn't fit the definition).

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Postby Murkwood » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:21 pm

Othelos wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Homophobia: Some people might be very religious, and have religious objections.
Xenophobia: See nationalism.
Transphobia: Some people, like me, might believe that imputing organs doesn't change one's sex, which they (and I) believe is a biological reality, and not something you can change.
Abortion is Murder: You can easily understand why someone, like I, think that way. (Also, you don't respect me?)
Racism: Yeah, I quit.

you're wrong on transphobia, because you can change organs. at least aesthetically.

Also, abortion isn't murder (it doesn't fit the definition).

Again, both those points are debatable.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

Catholicism has the fullness of the splendor of truth: The Bible and the Church Fathers agree!

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:23 pm

Othelos wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Homophobia: Some people might be very religious, and have religious objections.
Xenophobia: See nationalism.
Transphobia: Some people, like me, might believe that imputing organs doesn't change one's sex, which they (and I) believe is a biological reality, and not something you can change.
Abortion is Murder: You can easily understand why someone, like I, think that way. (Also, you don't respect me?)
Racism: Yeah, I quit.

you're wrong on transphobia, because you can change organs. at least aesthetically.

Also, abortion isn't murder (it doesn't fit the definition).

Wouldn't functionality be more important than aesthetics?

Just to avoid getting caught up in the trans-debate, I just want to make clear that I pretty much have no opinion on the issue itself whatsoever.
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Postby Othelos » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:23 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Othelos wrote:you're wrong on transphobia, because you can change organs. at least aesthetically.

Also, abortion isn't murder (it doesn't fit the definition).

Again, both those points are debatable.

then debate them. lol

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Postby Othelos » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:25 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Othelos wrote:you're wrong on transphobia, because you can change organs. at least aesthetically.

Also, abortion isn't murder (it doesn't fit the definition).

Wouldn't functionality be more important than aesthetics?

Just to avoid getting caught up in the trans-debate, I just want to make clear that I pretty much have no opinion on the issue itself whatsoever.

not necessarily. we don't have the technology to alter organs to the point where we can mimic functionality 100%, but people can try to get close.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:25 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Sorry but there's no rationale behind homophobia, xenophobia, transphobia, abortion is murder and racism. I can't see any positives in those nor do I respect posters who hold such views. There's no common ground to be found.

Homophobia: Some people might be very religious, and have religious objections. Also, this usage of "phobia" is not what pro-traditional marriage folks would say.
Xenophobia: See nationalism.
Transphobia: Some people, like me, might believe that imputing organs doesn't change one's sex, which they (and I) believe is a biological reality, and not something you can change.
Abortion is Murder: You can easily understand why someone, like I, think that way. (Also, you don't respect me?)
Racism: Yeah, I quit.


Some very religious people do not hate homosexuals. There's no reason behind the hate.
To think your nation is the shit whilst degrading people from other countries is deplorable.
Transsexual hate is also deplorable as gender and sex are not the same.
Abortion is not murder as murder only happens between people. Also, it's asinine to argue about potentials. If you hate on people for seeking an abortion, yeah, I don't respect you.
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Postby Murkwood » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:26 pm

Othelos wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Again, both those points are debatable.

then debate them. lol

That's not what this thread is for.

And what is up with that "lol"? It's like you don't even care.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Esternial » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:26 pm

Ugh.

Okey, I'll concede a point.

There.

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Postby Murkwood » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:26 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Homophobia: Some people might be very religious, and have religious objections. Also, this usage of "phobia" is not what pro-traditional marriage folks would say.
Xenophobia: See nationalism.
Transphobia: Some people, like me, might believe that imputing organs doesn't change one's sex, which they (and I) believe is a biological reality, and not something you can change.
Abortion is Murder: You can easily understand why someone, like I, think that way. (Also, you don't respect me?)
Racism: Yeah, I quit.


Some very religious people do not hate homosexuals. There's no reason behind the hate.
To think your nation is the shit whilst degrading people from other countries is deplorable.
Transsexual hate is also deplorable as gender and sex are not the same.
Abortion is not murder as murder only happens between people. Also, it's asinine to argue about potentials. If you hate on people for seeking an abortion, yeah, I don't respect you.

When did I say I hate people who get abortions? I don't respect them, but I don't hate them.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

Benuty wrote:I suppose Ken Ham, and the league of Republican-Neocolonialist-Zionist Catholics will not be pleased.

Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

Catholicism has the fullness of the splendor of truth: The Bible and the Church Fathers agree!

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Postby Othelos » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:27 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Othelos wrote:then debate them. lol

That's not what this thread is for.

And what is up with that "lol"? It's like you don't even care.

fine. and what?

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Postby Threlizdun » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:27 pm

Authoritarian regimes have on numerous occassion implemented policies that benefitted the common people.
Religion isn't always that negative of a phenomenon and I have more issues with it than I honestly should.
It's perfectly understandable why people fear and hate those that are different from them even if it is still unacceptable.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:28 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Some very religious people do not hate homosexuals. There's no reason behind the hate.
To think your nation is the shit whilst degrading people from other countries is deplorable.
Transsexual hate is also deplorable as gender and sex are not the same.
Abortion is not murder as murder only happens between people. Also, it's asinine to argue about potentials. If you hate on people for seeking an abortion, yeah, I don't respect you.

When did I say I hate people who get abortions? I don't respect them, but I don't hate them.


Then moving on. And I best stop as this thread is apparently not for debate but for being hunkydory.
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Postby Pope Joan » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:49 pm

I like liberty, but we do need some freedom in order to prevent chaos. I confess that when I lived in a system in which everything was supposed to be "shared", wolvish people took what they wanted and called us selfish materialists if we complained.

I am a religious person, but a healthy dose of skepticism is a good thing. Let's not swallow too much dogma all at once.

I am opposed to capital punishment, but I hope people like the beast who killed Polly Klaas (Richard Allen Davis) would be entombed alive where the sun never shines.

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:53 pm

I'll concede that there's a fairly substantial OP on this thread, despite the fact that the premise is essentially spammy. Which is not to say it won't be locked as spam ... just not this instant.

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Postby Esternial » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:54 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:I'll concede that there's a fairly substantial OP on this thread, despite the fact that the premise is essentially spammy. Which is not to say it won't be locked as spam ... just not this instant.

I'll admit that, while you are being a spoilsport, you do have a point.

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Postby North Defese » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:02 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:I'll concede that there's a fairly substantial OP on this thread, despite the fact that the premise is essentially spammy. Which is not to say it won't be locked as spam ... just not this instant.


Interesting, as the last one was well received by participating moderators. I concede that it could be considered such, if the intent was different. :p
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