I notice you didn't answer the question. Why not the moment before conception? All the genetic material is there.
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by Zottistan » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:11 am
by Aquillus » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:11 am
Jelarais wrote:Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Yeah, you're right, I am passionate. I am really fucking passionate about this. You want to know why?
Because on July 17th, 2010, I went on my very first date. And I was raped. And impregnated.
And I risked my life to not be pregnant. I swallowed so many pills, and I beat myself so hard I have organ damage.
Because people who believe that "abortion is ethically reprehensible" have taken every single clinic out of my town and within a 2 hour radius.
Because people who believe that "abortion is ethically reprehensible" made it impossible for me to get help.
Because people who believe that "abortion is ethically reprehensible" fucked me over so bad that I was prepared to die rather than give birth.
I was on the verge of homelessness, in high school, I am severely ill, and my family is emotionally abusive.
But, hey, better I die than get an abortion free of judgement.
So when you ask me why I'm passionate about this, when you wonder why I get riled up, I'm going to tell you the same thing over and over and over.
Because people who believe what you believe nearly cost me my life.
I cannot change what those people did, and I will not apologize for behaviors that I have not engaged in. However, I do sympathize (not empathize--I can only imagine what you felt) with your situation. I actually do believe that, in the case of victims such as yourself, abortion is justified even if I am not fully comfortable with it. And human beings make judgements all the time about everything--there's nothing you do ever that is not judged on some level by those around you--so the notion of a judgement-free abortion is both laughable and pitiable.
However, death is never a good thing and it is never better than any other option. I apologize that you seem to believe that I want people who believe that abortion is right to die, as this is simply not the case.
by Deutsches Heilige Land » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:12 am
by Jelarais » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:12 am
by Viritica » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:12 am
by Jelarais » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:13 am
Aquillus wrote:Jelarais wrote:
I cannot change what those people did, and I will not apologize for behaviors that I have not engaged in. However, I do sympathize (not empathize--I can only imagine what you felt) with your situation. I actually do believe that, in the case of victims such as yourself, abortion is justified even if I am not fully comfortable with it. And human beings make judgements all the time about everything--there's nothing you do ever that is not judged on some level by those around you--so the notion of a judgement-free abortion is both laughable and pitiable.
However, death is never a good thing and it is never better than any other option. I apologize that you seem to believe that I want people who believe that abortion is right to die, as this is simply not the case.
The point that I think you are missing is that by prohibiting abortion, you are causing people to die.
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:13 am
by Apparatchikstan » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:13 am
Othelos wrote:Apparatchikstan wrote:But you do possess enough self-awareness to realize and remember that you might have done something to encourage the condition?
Let me take a moment to clarify something. If sex is forced on you, whether by a stranger, boyfriend gone wrong, or beligerant husband, whatever, then by all means deal with that situation as you see fit. But if you willingly participated in an act that by evolution's design has consequences that reach far past the moment, you do not have my sympathy.
Contraception isn't 100% effective, so even if they do everything right, the woman could still get pregnant.
by Stagnant Axon Terminal » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:14 am
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it
Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.
by Jelarais » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:14 am
by Shilya » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:14 am
by Deutsches Heilige Land » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:15 am
Othelos wrote:Deutsches Heilige Land wrote:
If you were raped then you're out of bounds. I'm not referring to rape cases.
I'm only talking about women who can't keep their legs closed when they know they're in a bad situation.
It's just being responsible. I chose to abstain even though it was very difficult because I'm incredible attractive, but I did it and now things are working out perfectly with me and my hot Irish fiance.
good for you. now stop projecting your life choices onto others.
by Othelos » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:15 am
by Stagnant Axon Terminal » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:15 am
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it
Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.
by The Flood » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:15 am
One death > two deaths. It is the lesser of two evils.
by Shilya » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:15 am
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Shilya wrote:The consent is called sex. Actions, consequences, my post to you.
Consent to swimming is not consent to drowning.
Consent to driving is not consent to wrecks.
Consent to walking down the sidewalk is not consent to being hit.
Consent to eating is not consent to choking.
Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
it is true that if you swim carelessly, you have a higher chance of drowning.
it is true that if you drive recklessly, you have a higher chance of wrecking.
it is true that if you walk near the road in dark clothes at night, you have a higher chance of being hit.
it is true that if you eat too fast, you have a higher chance of choking.
it is true that if you have unsafe sex, you have a higher chance of becoming pregnant.
But you still can be saved from nearly drowning.
You can still be helped in a wreck.
You can still be patched up if you get hit.
You can still get the Heimlich if you choke.
You can still stop being pregnant.
by Aquillus » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:16 am
by Deutsches Heilige Land » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:17 am
by Stagnant Axon Terminal » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:17 am
Deutsches Heilige Land wrote:Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Yeah, you're right, I am passionate. I am really fucking passionate about this. You want to know why?
Because on July 17th, 2010, I went on my very first date. And I was raped. And impregnated.
And I risked my life to not be pregnant. I swallowed so many pills, and I beat myself so hard I have organ damage.
Because people who believe that "abortion is ethically reprehensible" have taken every single clinic out of my town and within a 2 hour radius.
Because people who believe that "abortion is ethically reprehensible" made it impossible for me to get help.
Because people who believe that "abortion is ethically reprehensible" fucked me over so bad that I was prepared to die rather than give birth.
I was on the verge of homelessness, in high school, I am severely ill, and my family is emotionally abusive.
But, hey, better I die than get an abortion free of judgement.
So when you ask me why I'm passionate about this, when you wonder why I get riled up, I'm going to tell you the same thing over and over and over.
Because people who believe what you believe nearly cost me my life.
If you were raped then you're out of bounds. I'm not referring to rape cases.
I'm only talking about women who can't keep their legs closed when they know they're in a bad situation.
It's just being responsible. I chose to abstain even though it was very difficult because I'm incredible attractive, but I did it and now things are working out perfectly with me and my hot Irish fiance.
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it
Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.
by Othelos » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:18 am
Shilya wrote:Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Consent to swimming is not consent to drowning.
Consent to driving is not consent to wrecks.
Consent to walking down the sidewalk is not consent to being hit.
Consent to eating is not consent to choking.
Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
it is true that if you swim carelessly, you have a higher chance of drowning.
it is true that if you drive recklessly, you have a higher chance of wrecking.
it is true that if you walk near the road in dark clothes at night, you have a higher chance of being hit.
it is true that if you eat too fast, you have a higher chance of choking.
it is true that if you have unsafe sex, you have a higher chance of becoming pregnant.
But you still can be saved from nearly drowning.
You can still be helped in a wreck.
You can still be patched up if you get hit.
You can still get the Heimlich if you choke.
You can still stop being pregnant.
That's a lot of lines to sum up "I want other people to deal with the consequences of the risks I knowingly took."
by Stagnant Axon Terminal » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:18 am
Shilya wrote:Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Consent to swimming is not consent to drowning.
Consent to driving is not consent to wrecks.
Consent to walking down the sidewalk is not consent to being hit.
Consent to eating is not consent to choking.
Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
it is true that if you swim carelessly, you have a higher chance of drowning.
it is true that if you drive recklessly, you have a higher chance of wrecking.
it is true that if you walk near the road in dark clothes at night, you have a higher chance of being hit.
it is true that if you eat too fast, you have a higher chance of choking.
it is true that if you have unsafe sex, you have a higher chance of becoming pregnant.
But you still can be saved from nearly drowning.
You can still be helped in a wreck.
You can still be patched up if you get hit.
You can still get the Heimlich if you choke.
You can still stop being pregnant.
That's a lot of lines to sum up "I want other people to deal with the consequences of the risks I knowingly took."
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it
Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.
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