Abortion: human right?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

No, it's viability. Viability has been pushed earlier and earlier via advances in science.

To 22 weeks I see.

Something like that.

[54e]

Yeah, we don't want more inbred Joffreys.

But Cersei and Jaime were the ones having incest.

That's what I'm saying.

[The Serbian Empire]

Don't bother, his only source is the bible.

Even the Bible doesn't say chemicals cause homosexuality. That is just bullshit.

Or too much conspiracy theorist stuff. Oh wait, that's the bullshit you speak of, right?

[Korouse]

Don't bother, his only source is the bible.

Even the Bible doesn't say chemicals cause homosexuality. That is just bullshit.

Pretty sure hormones and all that stuff determine it.

[Lingang]

Oh, we'll I am not familiar with fundamentalism. Adventist here.
On topic, abortion is not a human right, it is a good civil right.

Hi. Why do you support abortion?

I only support it in the case of rape or if said fetus threatens the mothers life. If that isn't the case, then abortion is wrong.

[The Orson Empire]

Since fundamentalists can't properly apply anything this is invariably true...

I am a fundamentalist Christian. I've read the Bible almost three times now. The thing is, I understand the difference between the Old and New covenants, so I share your frustration when people use Leviticus to attack the faith.

Fundamentalism is false.

[Ikora]

The problem is, fundamentalism is a phenomenon that originated in the 19th century. Ancient Isrealiets didn't even view Genesis as a literally true. Fundamentalism is a folly, because its adherents don't actually sturdy the nature of the Bible entirely.

Hmm...do you think so? I don't agree. I personally believe that Genesis is very literally true -- no surprises here, though, I've already told a lot of people this. I believe in a young-Earth. But that's a topic for somewhere else!

How do you know the ancient Israelites believed as you say in regard to the Book of Genesis?

The reason any ancient humans believed in anything is because they were incapable of processing or handling the reality of the situation or could not understand it without pre-knowledge about the laws of science and of physics. However, this is a different topic.

We now have the power of modern science, and we literally can rival God himself if we wished, (assuming on the extremely small chance he exists). Abortions are a right of anyone who wants them, regardless of race, ethnicity, creed, or location. End of story.

[Ifreann]

Life begins at conception, said every embryology book ever.

What does it matter? Are you under the impression that one may not kill to secure one's rights if one must?

[The Serbian Empire]

But Cersei and Jaime were the ones having incest.

That's what I'm saying.

Joffrey was the product of Cersei being impregnated by her brother.

[The Orson Empire]

Even the Bible doesn't say chemicals cause homosexuality. That is just bullshit.

Pretty sure hormones and all that stuff determine it.

That's not what he was saying, though.

[54e]

That's what I'm saying.

Joffrey was the product of Cersei being impregnated by her brother.

Right. You're going in circles here.

[Othelos]

Oh, we'll I am not familiar with fundamentalism. Adventist here.
On topic, abortion is not a human right, it is a good civil right.

Hi. Why do you support abortion?

No one 'supports abortion', people, however, do support a woman's right to choose whether or not to get one.

[Othelos]

100%.

Doesn't need to be a child to have basic human rights.

The mother's take precedence, because the fetus could be violating her bodily sovereignty.

[Greater Israelia]

Don't bother, his only source is the bible.

Even the Bible doesn't say chemicals cause homosexuality. That is just bullshit.

Why would it need to? There was little knowledge about chemicals like atrazine or fluoride back then.

Nowadays, we know a lot more about that sort of thing. We understand that atrazine has a lot of negative side-effects. There are a lot more chemicals in the water supply that we don't even know of yet.

I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, I probably do, sorry. I sincerely believe there is something going on, though, with the water. I already looked at the EPA webpage about atrazine, so I know that it is approved by the government to go in water supplies. My concern is this -- why? Why put chemicals in the water in the first place? It seems wrong. It just doesn't sound right at all.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

The problem is, fundamentalism is a phenomenon that originated in the 19th century. Ancient Isrealiets didn't even view Genesis as a literally true. Fundamentalism is a folly, because its adherents don't actually sturdy the nature of the Bible entirely.

Hmm...do you think so? I don't agree. I personally believe that Genesis is very literally true -- no surprises here, though, I've already told a lot of people this. I believe in a young-Earth. But that's a topic for somewhere else!

How do you know the ancient Israelites believed as you say in regard to the Book of Genesis?

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Bring it over here if you must.

[Othelos]

The problem is, fundamentalism is a phenomenon that originated in the 19th century. Ancient Isrealiets didn't even view Genesis as a literally true. Fundamentalism is a folly, because its adherents don't actually sturdy the nature of the Bible entirely.

Hmm...do you think so? I don't agree. I personally believe that Genesis is very literally true -- no surprises here, though, I've already told a lot of people this. I believe in a young-Earth. But that's a topic for somewhere else!

How do you know the ancient Israelites believed as you say in regard to the Book of Genesis?

this thread isn't about Christianity. Feel free to start one about it, though.

[Benuty]

Fetuses are human life. Just not people.

If a fetus is human life, then a fingernail is human life.

Then so is sperm.

[Ifreann]

That's what I'm saying.

Joffrey was the product of Cersei being impregnated by her brother.

Treasonous lies. King Joffrey Baratheon is the son of King Robert Baratheon.

[The Serbian Empire]

Joffrey was the product of Cersei being impregnated by her brother.

Right. You're going in circles here.

What do you expect from a NASCAR fan except going in circles?

[54e]

Right. You're going in circles here.

What do you expect from a NASCAR fan except going in circles?

Incest.

[Ikora]

Even the Bible doesn't say chemicals cause homosexuality. That is just bullshit.

Why would it need to? There was little knowledge about chemicals like atrazine or fluoride back then.

Nowadays, we know a lot more about that sort of thing. We understand that atrazine has a lot of negative side-effects. There are a lot more chemicals in the water supply that we don't even know of yet.

I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, I probably do, sorry. I sincerely believe there is something going on, though, with the water. I already looked at the EPA webpage about atrazine, so I know that it is approved by the government to go in water supplies. My concern is this -- why? Why put chemicals in the water in the first place? It seems wrong. It just doesn't sound right at all.

There are obviously chemicals running through the water. However, it is only in rare cases where filtered water has negative backlash on the consumer.

[Ifreann]

Doesn't need to be a child to have basic human rights.

The mother's take precedence, because the fetus could be violating her bodily sovereignty.

There is no conflict of rights. A woman has the right to her own body. Nobody else does, be they born or unborn. Simple as that.

[The Serbian Empire]

Even the Bible doesn't say chemicals cause homosexuality. That is just bullshit.

Why would it need to? There was little knowledge about chemicals like atrazine or fluoride back then.

Nowadays, we know a lot more about that sort of thing. We understand that atrazine has a lot of negative side-effects. There are a lot more chemicals in the water supply that we don't even know of yet.

I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, I probably do, sorry. I sincerely believe there is something going on, though, with the water. I already looked at the EPA webpage about atrazine, so I know that it is approved by the government to go in water supplies. My concern is this -- why? Why put chemicals in the water in the first place? It seems wrong. It just doesn't sound right at all.

Because these chemicals kill bacteria and improve dental health?

[Baiynistan]

The only way the rights of the unborn could matter is if they have a right that no born human has. The right to use another's body without permission.

I'd say that once the age of viability has been reached, foetal right to life is longer exclusively an issue tied to dependency on another person's body. It becomes an issue of the right to medical aid for beings (whether human or not is still up for debate) who are incapable of keeping themselves alive.
If we say that a viable foetus is not a person (or "baby") simply because they have not reached full-term pre-natal development, then it calls into question the status of any person who is incapable of surviving without medical aid. Is an adult with kidney failure no longer a person with a right to life because they are unable to survive by themselves without a transplant operation or dialysis? Is a child with full-body burns not a person with a right to life because they need life-support while they recover from critical condition?

I'm not saying the status of foetal "rights" is black and white. Far from it. I'm simply saying believing that someone or something doesn't deserve a chance to live because they can't biologically support themselves is not a morally sensible position.

[Greater Israelia]

If a fetus is human life, then a fingernail is human life.

Then so is sperm.

Sperm is somewhat human life, but really it is incomplete. It can't be completely human life without an egg to fertilize. Fertilization starts the whole process of being a human!