Abortion: human right?

[Othelos]

so after bringing up the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in a different thread, Tarsonis pointed out the article 1 may be abortion friendly.

The Universal Doctrine of Human Rights

Yeah cause the UN is johnny on the spot with that. Love the abortion friendly wording of Article 1.

So, does "born free" imply that rights only begin at birth? If yes, then why or why not is this a problem? Is the choice of having an abortion or not a human right?

imo every woman should have the right to decide whether or not she keeps the baby, as long as it's in her body, so I don't have a problem with the wording.

Also: abortion isn't murder.

Abortion does not meet the criteria to be murder.
For it to be murder, it would have to fulfill all the following criteria:
1: It has to be illegal.
2: A person has to be killed.
3: It had to be done with malice aforethought.

[Estado Paulista]

One could say that abortion is against human rights, since Article 3 states that everyone has the right to life, but I'm sure no one would take them into consideration. Abortion is not a human right. It's just a cool little civil right that's guaranteed by your government.

Also, what the fuck is "partial birth abortion"?

"Congratulations, it's twins!"
"But I only want one child."
"Do you wanna abort the boy or the girl?"

[Othelos]

One could say that abortion is against human rights, since Article 3 states that everyone has the right to life, but I'm sure no one would take them into consideration. Abortion is not a human right. It's just a cool little civil right that's guaranteed by your government.

Also, what the fuck is "partial birth abortion"?

"Congratulations, it's twins!"
"But I only want one child."
"Do you wanna abort the boy or the girl?"

http://www.abortionfacts.com/literature ... h-abortion

needless to say, I'm not ok with it.

[Atlanticatia]

Well, a fetus doesn't really have rights, so the UN Declaration is correct, in my opinion. The fetus doesn't have rights until it becomes a baby, when it's born. People also have the right to not have their civil liberties infringed and access to adequate health care.

[Alyakia]

*shrug* you can't force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want to have and that's that really

[The Alma Mater]

Probably. If you had an accident and the only way you could survive was being medically attached to me for nine months, sharing my food, blood and seriously disrupting my hormones I have the right to say 'tough luck buddy' and letting you die, because of my bodily integrity rights.

[Pandeeria]

Abortion should be a human right.

[The Unholy Hospitaller]

Probably. If you had an accident and the only way you could survive was being medically attached to me for nine months, sharing my food, blood and seriously disrupting my hormones I have the right to say 'tough luck buddy' and letting you die, because of my bodily integrity rights.

That's is what I've been saying all along, children are parasites.

[Kelinfort]

It is a right, and I would much prefer it to be performed in a safe, clean space, where it is legal and the woman is free from psychological harm, rather than illegally and traumatically. However, perhaps one day abortion will be unnecessary when women can consciously conceive without an unwanted pregnancy.

[Bzakstan]

Abortion is unequivocally a human right. I can't see how Universal Declaration of Human Rights wouldn't support abortion. There is no solid evidence, medically, that foetuses can feel pain. Thus, if everyone is born equal, that means rights begin at birth.

[Constantinopolis]

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights? Ha. It would be more accurate to call it the Universal Wish List of Human Rights.

Seriously, though, that document is just words on a piece of paper. The vast majority of countries (or maybe even ALL countries, I'm not sure) have laws or constitutions that explicitly contradict at least some parts of it.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is basically a social democratic document. The number of countries whose governments could even be said to agree with the spirit of the UDHR in principle is in the single digits.

[Russian Socialist Soviet States]

Abortion is not a human right. Next question.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Not a human right, but a nifty little civil right.

[The Re-Frisivisiaing]

Medical treatment is a human right, therefore, abortion is a human right.

[Peachany]

Yeah indeed, Civil Right. I'm not against abortion.
Abortion must be legally.

[District XIV]

Abortion is not a human right. Next question.

How hypocritical for a self-declared "libertarian" to say something like that.

[Russian Socialist Soviet States]

Abortion is not a human right. Next question.

How hypocritical for a self-declared "libertarian" to say something like that.

Life is a human right.

[MERIZoC]

At first I thought no, but then I looked at article 25.

Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

Abortion is a form of medical care, so yes, it could be considered a human right.

[MERIZoC]

How hypocritical for a self-declared "libertarian" to say something like that.

Life is a human right.

And fetus's aren't human.

[District XIV]

Life is a human right.

And fetus's aren't human.

Indeed.

[Russian Socialist Soviet States]

At first I thought no, but then I looked at article 25.

Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

Abortion is a form of medical care, so yes, it could be considered a human right.

You could say breast enlargements are medical care. Does that make it a human right?

[Russian Socialist Soviet States]

Life is a human right.

And fetus's aren't human.

Typical liberal bullshit.

[The Re-Frisivisiaing]

At first I thought no, but then I looked at article 25.


Abortion is a form of medical care, so yes, it could be considered a human right.

You could say breast enlargements are medical care. Does that make it a human right?

You could say that, but you would be wrong.

[The Flutterlands]

I don't think that it's a human right, to deny another human the right to live, simply because it's an inconvenience to a woman's own life.

[The Re-Frisivisiaing]

And fetus's aren't human.

Typical liberal bullshit.

Women get to choose what they do with their bodies, regardless of how that affects anything inside of them.