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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:18 pm

Florida, a land currently known for face-eating bath salt-abusing cannibals, naked women vandalizing McDonald's, and meth labs being created in the middle of WalMart, has decided to take decisive action against the greatest plague facing their fair state.

Pants on the ground? You could spend six months in jail.

Ocala, a town in central Florida, approved an ordinance this week that tightens the belt for anyone on city-owned property such as sidewalks, parks and pools. Violators could be forced to pay $500 or face jailtime of six months.

“We have the right to say you have to be clothed in public, fashion statement or not,” City Attorney Patrick Gilligan told the Ocala Star Banner.

Enforcing the law would be similar to how officers enforce noise complaints, Gilligan said. If the behavior persists after multiple warnings, that person can face arrest.

Critics of the law – including some local chapters of the American Civil Liberties Union – have pointed to the potential for racial profiling. But Ocala Council member Mary Rich, who wrote the ordinance, said targeting specific groups wasn’t her intention.

“It doesn’t matter what color they are,” Rich said. “They all wear their pants down.”

Cities across the country – including New Orleans, Chicago, Atlanta, Detroit, Miami and Jacksonville, Fla. – have taken steps to crack down on the baggy pants problem.

Wildwood, a family-friendly town known for its boardwalk on the Jersey shore, banned sagging pants and revealing clothing last summer after complaints from tourists. Fines started at $25 but could add up to $200 as well 40 hours of community service.

“I’m not trying to be the fashion police, but personally I find it offensive when a guy’s butt is hanging out,” Wildwood mayor Ernest Troiana said then.

Enforcement of the law has faced challenges in courts. A Florida judge struck down an ordinance in another city in 2008 after a 17-year-old boy spent the night in jail for exposing several inches of his underwear exposed. This week, a Pennsylvania judge dismissed a contempt of court citation against an 18-year-old who was arrested under the policy.

The city attorney in Ocala said the law would not be tough to enforce.

If the individual won’t comply? Police officers will take out their phones to snap photo proof for the judge.


Now, don't get me wrong: I'm no fan of the look, and cities have the right to enforce decency standards within their communities to a reasonable degree. However, this just seems draconian. It's not like any skin is being shown, and it's a look that is already slowly dying out on its own. And, yes, they say that there's no racial profiling involved, but considering that this look is more popular in the black community (though not limited to it), guess who will be disproportionately affected by the rule? More black men in the prison system, and over nonsense.

Does this strike anyone else as being particularly...well, batshit insane?
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:19 pm

Only in Florida...

But seriously, this is ridiculous.
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Postby Spoder » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:21 pm

Six months =/= $500.

I'm fine with $500, but jailtime at all?

Just make 'em do a month of CS.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:22 pm

Spoder wrote:Six months =/= $500.

I'm fine with $500, but jailtime at all?

Just make 'em do a month of CS.


Even that's way over the top. I don't think that it should be a crime at all, and if it is, then make it an infraction worth a $25 ticket or something like that.

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Postby The United Territories of Providence » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:23 pm

Why don't we also force women to wear skirts because they don't belong in pants? See that's a horrible idea.... there is a slippery slope. Once you start making legislation dictating what can and cannot be worn you restrict personal freedom, you make the leap towards authoritarianism.What stops a more conservative state from creating a sexist law like the one i described? Decency standards right? Florida is building a bridge to far, I'll wear my pants anyway I want.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:24 pm

I await with bated breath the Florida ordinance banning low cut tops exposing cleavage....

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Postby Spoder » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:25 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:I await with bated breath the Florida ordinance banning low cut tops exposing cleavage....

In Florida?

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Postby Reploid Productions » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:26 pm

One would think the that existing indecent exposure laws would be sufficient to cover the creeping fear of some dude's ass hanging out of their pants. Sure, it's an idiotic 'fashion', but criminalizing it seems far less effective than simply socially marginalizing and ridiculing it. :eyebrow:
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:29 pm

One assumes that they'll be out to ban dancing next.
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Ifreann wrote:One assumes that they'll be out to ban dancing next.

They're going to ban 2chainz songs next.
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Ifreann wrote:One assumes that they'll be out to ban dancing next.


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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:31 pm

Spoder wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:I await with bated breath the Florida ordinance banning low cut tops exposing cleavage....

In Florida?

People will riot.


Exactly my point.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:31 pm

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Ifreann wrote:One assumes that they'll be out to ban dancing next.


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Postby Vettrera » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:36 pm

You know, I generally try to not use race arguments. But Florida makes it really fucking hard for me not to.
They seem to be targeting a specific race and/or socioeconomic group with these regulations...and this group isn't the one that has $500 to blow on a fine...so umm. Do with that what you may.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:38 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Spoder wrote:Six months =/= $500.

I'm fine with $500, but jailtime at all?

Just make 'em do a month of CS.


Even that's way over the top. I don't think that it should be a crime at all, and if it is, then make it an infraction worth a $25 ticket or something like that.

If it's a crime, it's for the prison code for availability to have prison sex and thus commit crimes to end up in jail. No jail time, but a massive fee is worth it.
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Postby Spoder » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:38 pm

Vettrera wrote:You know, I generally try to not use race arguments. But Florida makes it really fucking hard for me not to.
They seem to be targeting a specific race and/or socioeconomic group with these regulations...and this group isn't the one that has $500 to blow on a fine...so umm. Do with that what you may.

Comments like these are exactly what drives racism in America.

Not the tiny minority of racists who call a specific race lesser.

But the racists who make stereotypes like these, and assume that negros are always innocent, negros would never hurt anybody, negros are poor, negros are gangsters, etc.
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Postby Othelos » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:39 pm

How is that worth jail time or that much money? As long as your ass isn't showing, I don't understand the problem.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:41 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:One would think the that existing indecent exposure laws would be sufficient to cover the creeping fear of some dude's ass hanging out of their pants. Sure, it's an idiotic 'fashion', but criminalizing it seems far less effective than simply socially marginalizing and ridiculing it. :eyebrow:

Apparently, it can't be charged under indecent exposure as they wear basketball shorts over their underwear to sag legally.

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Vettrera wrote:You know, I generally try to not use race arguments. But Florida makes it really fucking hard for me not to.
They seem to be targeting a specific race and/or socioeconomic group with these regulations...and this group isn't the one that has $500 to blow on a fine...so umm. Do with that what you may.

Comments like these are exactly what drives racism in America.

Not the tiny minority of racists who call a specific race lesser.

But the racists who make stereotypes like these, and assume that negros are always innocent, negros would never hurt anybody, negros are poor, negros are gangsters, etc.

Why are you using negro when that's the racist term?
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:42 pm

Ifreann wrote:
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That's not what we rehearsed! Kevin Bacon was supposed to catch me!


GODDAMMIT WHERE'S PATRICK SWAYZE WHEN YOU NEED HIM?

Oh...right. Sorry.

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Postby Vettrera » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:43 pm

Spoder wrote:
Vettrera wrote:You know, I generally try to not use race arguments. But Florida makes it really fucking hard for me not to.
They seem to be targeting a specific race and/or socioeconomic group with these regulations...and this group isn't the one that has $500 to blow on a fine...so umm. Do with that what you may.

Comments like these are exactly what drives racism in America.

Not the tiny minority of racists who call a specific race lesser.

But the racists who make stereotypes like these, and assume that negros are always innocent, negros would never hurt anybody, negros are poor, negros are gangsters, etc.

I'm sorry, I'm racist because what?

You're the one advocating that a $500 fine given to those that emulate urban culture is just. And urban residents tend to not have $500 to spare...
And you're also the one using the term "negro"
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:44 pm

Spoder wrote:
Vettrera wrote:You know, I generally try to not use race arguments. But Florida makes it really fucking hard for me not to.
They seem to be targeting a specific race and/or socioeconomic group with these regulations...and this group isn't the one that has $500 to blow on a fine...so umm. Do with that what you may.

Comments like these are exactly what drives racism in America.

Not the tiny minority of racists who call a specific race lesser.

But the racists who make stereotypes like these, and assume that negros are always innocent, negros would never hurt anybody, negros are poor, negros are gangsters, etc.


So it's people who call out racist policies, and not racists, who are responsible for racism. Because if we all just shut up about it, it would all go away quietly.

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Postby Ancient Magmia » Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:45 pm

Jesus, Florida... :palm:
Not surprised though.

As long as they're not running around with their ass exposed or something, who cares?

Spoder wrote:
Ifreann wrote:One assumes that they'll be out to ban dancing next.

They're going to ban 2chainz songs next.

I'd stand by that 100%. :p
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The Serbian Empire wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:One would think the that existing indecent exposure laws would be sufficient to cover the creeping fear of some dude's ass hanging out of their pants. Sure, it's an idiotic 'fashion', but criminalizing it seems far less effective than simply socially marginalizing and ridiculing it. :eyebrow:

Apparently, it can't be charged under indecent exposure as they wear basketball shorts over their underwear to sag legally.

Spoder wrote:Comments like these are exactly what drives racism in America.

Not the tiny minority of racists who call a specific race lesser.

But the racists who make stereotypes like these, and assume that negros are always innocent, negros would never hurt anybody, negros are poor, negros are gangsters, etc.

Why are you using negro when that's the racist term?


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