You scared? The UK Government wants you to be.

[Stormaen]

I thought Tories were just British conservatives.

And I always thought they weren't nearly as bad as our conservatives. Apparently, they're catching up.

I assume that's Canadian Conservatives you're talking about? Otherwise known as Republican-lite. I couldn't vote in Canada. There's no centre-right, socially liberal party to vote for. In the UK, I have something of a choice between the more moderate Conservatives and the Orange Book Liberals Democrats. How spoilt I am...

[Imperializt Russia]

Interesting fact of the day, Tories (the term, not the party) were originally Irish terrorists/freedom fighters who may well have bombed innocent civilians.

I see...

I did not know this

Tory is an old term.
I don't know of the relevance in Ireland, but in England, it's typically been a royalist stance. Jacobite Scottish rebellions were Tory rebellions.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Yeah it's against our rights. Like seriously against our rights. [...]
But anyhow, I don't care really.

O....kay: you care, but you don't?

WRT the topic, eh, it's Airstrip One; I don't expect better of them anyway.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

The UK government is full of shitbergs lately.
It's no suprise they want to monitor the population, I expect they know that if citizens could get away with it they'd already be conspiring in revolution.

Nah, most are too apathetic.

But on the main issue, this really annoys the living shit out of me. I'm not a terrorist, I'm not a seditionist and I'm not a pervert: I do not need the government to monitor everything I do in order to prove the fact I'm not those things.

Fucking dimwits. This is what happens when you give power to those hungry for it. They will invent laws for you to break and the second you do they're all over it. If you're a civilised member of society and tolerate this kind of shit, it'll be you who's targeted with a new law next.

Joseph de Maistre once said, "In a democracy, people get the government they deserve." Apathy welcomes unaccountable government.

Stormaen, I voted at every election to date. What else can I do?

[Northwest Slobovia]

Nah, most are too apathetic.

But on the main issue, this really annoys the living shit out of me. I'm not a terrorist, I'm not a seditionist and I'm not a pervert: I do not need the government to monitor everything I do in order to prove the fact I'm not those things.

Fucking dimwits. This is what happens when you give power to those hungry for it. They will invent laws for you to break and the second you do they're all over it. If you're a civilised member of society and tolerate this kind of shit, it'll be you who's targeted with a new law next.

Joseph de Maistre once said, "In a democracy, people get the government they deserve." Apathy welcomes unaccountable government.

Stormaen, I voted at every election to date. What else can I do?

There's an obscure document written by a bunch of fine English gentlemen that begins "When in the course of human events...". Perhaps it might provide some inspiration.

[Imperializt Russia]

Stormaen, I voted at every election to date. What else can I do?

There's an obscure document written by a bunch of fine English gentlemen that begins "When in the course of human events...". Perhaps it might provide some inspiration.

Don't say that. London will secede as a city-state.

[Sjovenia]

The UK government is full of shitbergs lately.
It's no suprise they want to monitor the population, I expect they know that if citizens could get away with it they'd already be conspiring in revolution.

Nah, most are too apathetic.

But on the main issue, this really annoys the living shit out of me. I'm not a terrorist, I'm not a seditionist and I'm not a pervert: I do not need the government to monitor everything I do in order to prove the fact I'm not those things.

Fucking dimwits. This is what happens when you give power to those hungry for it. They will invent laws for you to break and the second you do they're all over it. If you're a civilised member of society and tolerate this kind of shit, it'll be you who's targeted with a new law next.

Joseph de Maistre once said, "In a democracy, people get the government they deserve." Apathy welcomes unaccountable government.

Well here are a few who do

North Korea-Communist
China-Communist
United States of America-Democracy
United Kingdom-Democracy

These governments monitor their populace and some more than others...I mean the US freaks out about the NSA...I can only imagine what would happen if they proposed a city full of CCTVs, ahem London.

[Grand Britannia]

Seems like they're learning from their kid back in the New World.

[-Arabiyah-]

In short, the UK government has been told that its current laws are unacceptable. So it's going to just redraft them and then go for the same thing again, but reinforcing the legitimacy of these tactics in the new law itself, Because Terrorism. This is not only a fuck you to the public, it's a fuck you to the CJEU, which is there to protect citizens' rights across Europe. Expect this to keep happening.

What to do about this, as a citizen? I have no idea. My opinion is "fuck em", but that isn't productive in and of itself.

You got spying opinions? Go on ahead.

Is the the UK even a part of the EU? Isn't one of the requirements for the EU consist of adapting to Euros?

Yes the UK is in the EU there is no obligation to use the Euro Bulgaria and The Czech Republic are EU members as well along with the Baltic states and they do not use the Euro

[The Serbian Empire]

What's the point if the ECJ will just strike it down again?

Presumably they're including a No-Strike-Downs clause this time around.

It's time to kick the UK out of the EU.

[New Aerios]

Presumably they're including a No-Strike-Downs clause this time around.

It's time to kick the UK out of the EU.

No need. They'll end up leaving of their own accord. And that would only make it easier for them to commit human rights abuses like these.

[Imperializt Russia]

Presumably they're including a No-Strike-Downs clause this time around.

It's time to kick the UK out of the EU.

Don't legitimise my government's bullshit.

[Horizont]

Presumably they're including a No-Strike-Downs clause this time around.

It's time to kick the UK out of the EU.

The UK leaving the EU for whatever reason would be awful. No.

[Frazers]

I'm not too perturbed by the whole idea. I recognise the difficulty existent in anti-terrorism and the need for such things.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

I am 100% okay with this.

[Cuprum]

I, for one, welcome the UK Internet overlords, because I'm Indonesian and I'm not gonna be affected by this. No, I'm not serious.

Seriously, they should just forget this. Has Cameron ever thought about how he, as just another commoner living in some city lost in Britain, would feel if everything he spoke about on the phone or searched on the Internet could become known to the authorities?

The ECJ will probably strike it down again.

I agree with this guy.

[The Saint James Islands]

Is the the UK even a part of the EU? Isn't one of the requirements for the EU consist of adapting to Euros?

Yes the UK is in the EU there is no obligation to use the Euro Bulgaria and The Czech Republic are EU members as well along with the Baltic states and they do not use the Euro

Issuing a major correction here: with two exceptions, all EU states are obligated to eventually join the Eurozone. Denmark and the UK get an asterisk next to this clause that allows them to opt-out. /sidenote

On the topic of the OP, the biggest thing the British public can do is try to call up their MPs and incite a backbench rebellion of massive proportions. Probably not going to happen, but I don't trust the Lords to put a stop to Cameron's nonsense.

[Imperializt Russia]

It's time to kick the UK out of the EU.

No need. They'll end up leaving of their own accord. And that would only make it easier for them to commit human rights abuses like these.

Don't confuse our idiot government with the few of us who live here that aren't moronic sadists.

[The Scientific States]

Does UKIP support this?

I'm almost certain they would.

Anyways, Cameron's government is doing another really dumb thing that infringes on civil liberties.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Stormaen, I voted at every election to date. What else can I do?

There's an obscure document written by a bunch of fine English gentlemen that begins "When in the course of human events...". Perhaps it might provide some inspiration.

I'm actually serious that I want to leave the UK forever. My trip to Barcelona this summer may be that very day.

[The Scientific States]

I am 100% okay with this.

Why are you alright with a major infringement of civil liberties?

[New Aerios]

I am 100% okay with this.

Why are you alright with a major infringement of civil liberties?

According to his sig he likes Fascism.

I haven't seen David Cameron's sig, but I'd imagine it would say the same thing...

[The Scientific States]

Why are you alright with a major infringement of civil liberties?

According to his sig he likes Fascism.

I haven't seen David Cameron's sig, but I'd imagine it would say the same thing...

Cameron may not have the best record when it comes to privacy rights and civil liberties, but he's far from being a fascist.

[Imperializt Russia]

Does UKIP support this?

I'm almost certain they would.

Anyways, Cameron's government is doing another really dumb thing that infringes on civil liberties.

I'm almost certain they wouldn't. They're big on being populist. Being unpopular and rushing surveillance legislation is not in their remit.

[The Scientific States]

I'm almost certain they would.

Anyways, Cameron's government is doing another really dumb thing that infringes on civil liberties.

I'm almost certain they wouldn't. They're big on being populist. Being unpopular and rushing surveillance legislation is not in their remit.

Fair point, they want to appeal to the populace in whatever way possible. But, given some of their authoritarian policies, I don't think the UKIP has a problem with this.